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Post by myownwords on Aug 26, 2012 15:38:45 GMT -8
Alumtec, I'm not sure what you'd argued in the past, but the result of your suggested plan of action, expressed, as you put it above, "I don't care what the TV money is", borders on suicide for us. We MUST care and that is the lion's share of logic that made this move imperative. As the MWC was/is crumbling we had one opportunity to save the future of D1 football and that was Boise. To have followed any other known path---and particularly yours---would have doomed our program. Perhaps over time we'll be able to assemble teams that have strength, stability and are supported by strong TV revenues. But at least we now have the staying power to do that. All of this of course is just my opinion (for those who have difficulty separating that from facts). Thank you for a reasonable response. I guess we are going to have to wait this mess out patiently. Yes we will, but at least we will likely have a lot more income with which to pass the time and improve our entire athletics' structure.
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Post by hbaztec on Aug 26, 2012 17:27:48 GMT -8
It also gives our program more exposure. Every paper in NE, Florida and Texas will have to cover SDSU in there sports pages as long as we are in the BE.
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Post by sandiegopete on Aug 26, 2012 17:57:01 GMT -8
I read this article on the plane today. It seems nobody is considering the fact that the Big East has 8 top quality basketball schools that do not play football in the league. Certainly, football provides more revenue than basketball to most FBS schools. But, there is no way you can discount the importance of those basketball schools. Don't forget, included in the deal that has SDSU going to the Big East is a rider that we will play a minimum number of Big East basketball games each year.
Football and basketball are intertwined in the Big East. If the conference was to further expand in order to establish Eastern and Western divisions in all sports, other than football which would consist of the FBS playing teams, it could add UNLV and UTEP. Each of those teams have a good basketball history. As far as football goes, UTEP does have potential. They are doing better lately and did draw 31,797 for CSU last year. UNLV football? Every conderence needs to have a patsy. Does anyone think the ACC is going to kick out Duke because their football teams are so bad?
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Post by sandiegopete on Aug 26, 2012 18:16:36 GMT -8
Add to my previous comment: It is quite possible that due to the way conferences are expanding their areas of influence revenue sports may in the future be seperated from nonrevenue sports with regard to conference affiliations. It appears that net income is main factor to be considered in the way college sports will be administered in the future.
I don't claim that is the best thing for college sports. I just think it is a likely outcome to the current consolidations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 18:23:50 GMT -8
You say we don't belong in a league with teams east of the Mississippi. I would amend that to say we don't belong in a division with teams east of the Mississippi. If we wanna be playing what now defines DI football, we automatically cannot be in a league comprised solely of teams west of the Mississippi. There just aren't enough of them. This is exactly my point. And to amplify, Memphis is ON the fricklin' Mississippi River. While it might be on the EASTERN shore, to say we therefore shouldn't be in the same division with the Tigers is to pick nits under a microscope. The same is true of being in a division (or a conference) with Southern Miss. Hattiesburg might be a day's drive east of the Mississippi but it's no farther east than Memphis. In fact, it's almost directly north of New Orleans where the Mississippi flows into the Gulf of Mexico. And Hattiesburg is at almost the same latitude as San Diego. To put it another way, both are in the Central time zone the same as Dallas and Houston. It would be great if we had other options but the fact that UNLV and UNM have two of the absolute worst football programs in the country over the last five years or so yet almost none of their alumni seem to care speaks volumes about where they're headed. And if the BE would create a viable western all-sports division, we'd all get basketball games against excellent BE schools out of our division so those two loser schools can eat $#!+ in that regard too.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Aug 26, 2012 18:46:38 GMT -8
Geography really doesn't matter anymore because the difference in airfare is pretty small whether you're flying from SAN to DFW or SAN to MIA and you're going to need a hotel room almost no matter where you go. So the idea of one game in Dallas or Houston and one game in Florida should be looked at as an opportunity rather than as an expense to the athletic program. In other words, travel costs don't matter anymore especially if the new BEast tv deal is $12.0M per year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 19:26:58 GMT -8
You say we don't belong in a league with teams east of the Mississippi. I would amend that to say we don't belong in a division with teams east of the Mississippi. If we wanna be playing what now defines DI football, we automatically cannot be in a league comprised solely of teams west of the Mississippi. There just aren't enough of them. This is exactly my point. And to amplify, Memphis is ON the fricklin' Mississippi River. While it might be on the EASTERN shore, to say we therefore shouldn't be in the same division with the Tigers is to pick nits under a microscope. The same is true of being in a division (or a conference) with Southern Miss. Hattiesburg might be a day's drive east of the Mississippi but it's no farther east than Memphis. In fact, it's almost directly north of New Orleans where the Mississippi flows into the Gulf of Mexico. And Hattiesburg is at almost the same latitude as San Diego. To put it another way, both are in the Central time zone the same as Dallas and Houston. It would be great if we had other options but the fact that UNLV and UNM have two of the absolute worst football programs in the country over the last five years or so yet almost none of their alumni seem to care speaks volumes about where they're headed. And if the BE would create a viable western all-sports division, we'd all get basketball games against excellent BE schools out of our division so those two loser schools can eat $#!+ in that regard too. I guess you are assuming I don't know where Memphis is now Btw- Hattiesburg is only a couple hour drive East of the Mississippi. Just sayin'
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Aug 26, 2012 19:42:31 GMT -8
New Mexico UNLV Fresno St San Jose State Utah State Air Force Hawaii Colo State Wyoming Nevada
That’s the football lineup, as of now, for the MWC in 2013. Some members of this board insist one other name should be added: SDSU. Then all of them could play their hearts out in front of a probably nonexistent TV audience for the next several years, scraping hand to mouth, fighting to survive (surely some won’t), in the hope that their next Tier 1 contract will bring, maybe, a couple million per school per year.
Meanwhile, all sources quoted in recent weeks have agreed that the Big East contract that will take effect next year figures to be worth anywhere from $10 million to $17 million per year just for the football schools.
Somebody please tell me one more time why we are still debating this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 19:42:46 GMT -8
1) I guess you are assuming I don't know where Memphis is now 2) Btw- Hattiesburg is only a couple hour drive East of the Mississippi. Just sayin' 1) I made no such assumption. 2) Didn't know that as I've never been to Mississippi so thanks for the info.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 26, 2012 19:59:13 GMT -8
I read this article on the plane today. It seems nobody is considering the fact that the Big East has 8 top quality basketball schools that do not play football in the league. Certainly, football provides more revenue than basketball to most FBS schools. But, there is no way you can discount the importance of those basketball schools. Don't forget, included in the deal that has SDSU going to the Big East is a rider that we will play a minimum number of Big East basketball games each year. Football and basketball are intertwined in the Big East. If the conference was to further expand in order to establish Eastern and Western divisions in all sports, other than football which would consist of the FBS playing teams, it could add UNLV and UTEP. Each of those teams have a good basketball history. As far as football goes, UTEP does have potential. They are doing better lately and did draw 31,797 for CSU last year. UNLV football? Every conference needs to have a patsy. Does anyone think the ACC is going to kick out Duke because their football teams are so bad? Consider how some of these schools don't even have football - Marquette, St. John's, Providence, etc. You can imagine over the course of the last 10 years or so that fundamental difference could lead to a split. Now contrast this with the ACC: EVERYONE there has football, regardless of the quality of it. No one is diminishing the influence that the catholic schools carry collectively. But for years the perception was that the conference was seen as a basketball entity who just happened to play football and it may have hurt them the last few years. Look at who left the last few years as hits to football prestige (Florida State, Miami, and TCU, with Pitt and Syracuse to follow) and who came in for mostly basketball (Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, and DePaul, with Temple and Memphis to follow). Of all the comings and goings to date, only South Florida has been seen making an effort in both football and basketball. Basketball is fine, DePaul being the sole exception. Maybe now that the nBE has fresh blood negotiating and acting as a front man, they understand the importance of football and will take advantage of the new western additions.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 26, 2012 20:01:13 GMT -8
New Mexico UNLV Fresno St San Jose State Utah State Air Force Hawaii Colo State Wyoming Nevada That’s the football lineup, as of now, for the MWC in 2013. Some members of this board insist one other name should be added: SDSU. Then all of them could play their hearts out in front of a probably nonexistent TV audience for the next several years, scraping hand to mouth, fighting to survive (surely some won’t), in the hope that their next Tier 1 contract will bring, maybe, a couple million per school per year. Meanwhile, all sources quoted in recent weeks have agreed that the Big East contract that will take effect next year figures to be worth anywhere from $10 million to $17 million per year just for the football schools. Somebody please tell me one more time why we are still debating this. Because some are afraid of riding the bus in basketball
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 26, 2012 20:04:09 GMT -8
Btw- Hattiesburg is only a couple hour drive East of the Mississippi. Just sayin' So we got a bunch of California players comin' down to the good ol' South. I reckon them boys are gonna be in for a mighty strong culture shock!
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 26, 2012 20:12:54 GMT -8
so Alumtec, will we be hearing this all day the next time SDSU makes a visit to Hattiesburg?
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Post by azteccc on Aug 26, 2012 21:50:08 GMT -8
New Mexico UNLV Fresno St San Jose State Utah State Air Force Hawaii Colo State Wyoming Nevada That’s the football lineup, as of now, for the MWC in 2013. Some members of this board insist one other name should be added: SDSU. Then all of them could play their hearts out in front of a probably nonexistent TV audience for the next several years, scraping hand to mouth, fighting to survive (surely some won’t), in the hope that their next Tier 1 contract will bring, maybe, a couple million per school per year. Meanwhile, all sources quoted in recent weeks have agreed that the Big East contract that will take effect next year figures to be worth anywhere from $10 million to $17 million per year just for the football schools. Somebody please tell me one more time why we are still debating this. wanting to keep football in the mountain west has nothing to do with the football program.
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Post by Aztec For Life on Aug 26, 2012 22:37:59 GMT -8
If you aren't a fan of the big east move, then you are an.....
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 26, 2012 22:50:10 GMT -8
If you aren't a fan of the big east move, then you are a..... UNLV apologist?
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Post by therealeman on Aug 26, 2012 22:59:34 GMT -8
If you aren't a fan of the big east move, then you are an..... Old fart. ;D College football has changed and geography has gone out the window for just about every conference. Although the BE is perhaps the most impacted, the move will give our football program a chance to survive and will help pad the rest of our athletic programs for the future.
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Post by Gilbert on Aug 27, 2012 0:05:40 GMT -8
If you aren't a fan of the big east move, then you are an..... Old fart. ;D College football has changed and geography has gone out the window for just about every conference. Although the BE is perhaps the most impacted, the move will give our football program a chance to survive and will help pad the rest of our athletic programs for the future. It’s so simple why don’t they get it?
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Post by hbaztec on Aug 27, 2012 5:21:48 GMT -8
New Mexico UNLV Fresno St San Jose State Utah State Air Force Hawaii Colo State Wyoming Nevada That’s the football lineup, as of now, for the MWC in 2013. Some members of this board insist one other name should be added: SDSU. Then all of them could play their hearts out in front of a probably nonexistent TV audience for the next several years, scraping hand to mouth, fighting to survive (surely some won’t), in the hope that their next Tier 1 contract will bring, maybe, a couple million per school per year. Meanwhile, all sources quoted in recent weeks have agreed that the Big East contract that will take effect next year figures to be worth anywhere from $10 million to $17 million per year just for the football schools. Somebody please tell me one more time why we are still debating this. wanting to keep football in the mountain west has nothing to do with the football program. Ok, dad got a new job that pays 10 times what he used to make. We are going to have to move to a smaller town, and yes you will leave some friends behind, but I am sure you will make some new ones. Your going to be the best athlete in your new school, so people will both love and hate you. We will have a bigger and better house for the entire family, which is best for the family. Now if we stay here, we are not going to be able to make the mortgage payment and probably lose the house. As a matter of fact dad's job security is not too stable here and if loses his job then we will definitely have to move out of town without the new income. I know its a tough sacrifice for you, but we have faith in you that you will succeed in you new home because your a great athlete.
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Post by monty on Aug 27, 2012 5:44:32 GMT -8
New Mexico UNLV Fresno St San Jose State Utah State Air Force Hawaii Colo State Wyoming Nevada That’s the football lineup, as of now, for the MWC in 2013. Some members of this board insist one other name should be added: SDSU. Then all of them could play their hearts out in front of a probably nonexistent TV audience for the next several years, scraping hand to mouth, fighting to survive (surely some won’t), in the hope that their next Tier 1 contract will bring, maybe, a couple million per school per year. Meanwhile, all sources quoted in recent weeks have agreed that the Big East contract that will take effect next year figures to be worth anywhere from $10 million to $17 million per year just for the football schools. Somebody please tell me one more time why we are still debating this. Because a couple of double digit IQs won't admit they are wrong.
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