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Post by bill456 on Aug 25, 2012 5:31:44 GMT -8
I've never stated that my opinion was other than...well, opinion, just as yours is. And of course it means that if I'm right about Rocky as HC, the team will suffer. When is that not the case? And afterall that is kind of my point, yes? I going off the " But based on the above, my conclusion is that we are going to proceed into mediocrity with the current coaching" comment. You suggest team history and recruiting against our conference rivals as to what led you to your decision. But you did not mention how the team has played for 2 years at above .500 football. That's not mediocrity and we've yet to see what this team will do this year. I'm sure you remember what was here before that. Rocky is 1 game under .500 mostly because of his time a New Mexico, where you must admit, is a hard place to win...See Mike Locksley. Yet still got them to 5 bowl games. TC and CL would have killed for that. Look, I'm not saying that we'll be naming a street after the guy, but I just don't see how you're looking into the future and seeing mediocrity, and everyone else seeing hope. You said "If" you're right, but followed that up with "my conclusion" suggesting that your mind is made up. I just sounds silly to make a statement like that with no evidence to prove it. You are proving that you hate Rocky for some reason. Is it the LLU lost, he stole your girlfriend in HS, what? Do tell, because you sound more like an antagonist than a fan. And please don't come back with you're only being realistic.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2012 6:53:52 GMT -8
I've never stated that my opinion was other than...well, opinion, just as yours is. And of course it means that if I'm right about Rocky as HC, the team will suffer. When is that not the case? And afterall that is kind of my point, yes? I going off the " But based on the above, my conclusion is that we are going to proceed into mediocrity with the current coaching" comment. You suggest team history and recruiting against our conference rivals as to what led you to your decision. But you did not mention how the team has played for 2 years at above .500 football. That's not mediocrity and we've yet to see what this team will do this year. I'm sure you remember what was here before that. Rocky is 1 game under .500 mostly because of his time a New Mexico, where you must admit, is a hard place to win...See Mike Locksley. Yet still got them to 5 bowl games. TC and CL would have killed for that. Look, I'm not saying that we'll be naming a street after the guy, but I just don't see how you're looking into the future and seeing mediocrity, and everyone else seeing hope. You said "If" you're right, but followed that up with "my conclusion" suggesting that your mind is made up. I just sounds silly to make a statement like that with no evidence to prove it. You are proving that you hate Rocky for some reason. Is it the LLU lost, he stole your girlfriend in HS, what? Do tell, because you sound more like an antagonist than a fan. And please don't come back with you're only being realistic. First, everything to which you're pointing, both from you and me, are OPINIONS. I'm not sure why that's difficult for you. Hell, 99% of everything on this board is opinion. However, there are two major observations for my "lack of enthusiasm" for Rocky as HC. I like the man and his toughness and I feel he'd make a good DC. I've had a lot of experience hiring people, so I feel comfortable reading people and others' reactions to people. Based on that, and how he conducts himself in interviews, as well as his recruiting and the coaches he has attracted, I see Rocky as a support person, not a leader, not someone at all who inspires recruits or recruiting. The past two years---in my opinion--he has benefited from what Brady Hoke began and the fire he put into players, other programs and OUR administration. The team as edged downward since Hoke left (more losses in-season and in the bowl). I have no comments about CL and TC, other than they are just awful HC's for a D1 program and we had awful admin people who hired them. But we've had horrible coaching since they fired Gilbert. As far as New Mexico, to me, Rocky's history there is NOT a badge of acheivement, but failure. And here is where fact does come in: He stayed in that pit for ELEVEN years, then up and quit in mid-season. Why? There's no good answer. If he were really a good HC, some bigger program would have found him. But no one pulled him away. Bigger schools, obviously weren't impressed with his record, or his skills, as you seem to be, including SDSU several years ago, because he applied for the job in 2008 and we turned him down. If you're saying NM is his alma mater and that's why he turned down some imaginary offers, then the man has no fire to move up and I do NOT want that kind of person as HC.
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Post by tonatiuh on Aug 25, 2012 7:52:35 GMT -8
Yes, but we usually use 3 WR's in many formations with two on one side. You can bet Butler will be one of them. Ezell may have a little more speed, and may have been looking good in practice the past week, but Butler has the experience and will be playing no doubt.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2012 7:56:19 GMT -8
I've never stated that my opinion was other than...well, opinion, just as yours is. And of course it means that if I'm right about Rocky as HC, the team will suffer. When is that not the case? And afterall that is kind of my point, yes? I going off the " But based on the above, my conclusion is that we are going to proceed into mediocrity with the current coaching" comment. You suggest team history and recruiting against our conference rivals as to what led you to your decision. But you did not mention how the team has played for 2 years at above .500 football. That's not mediocrity and we've yet to see what this team will do this year. I'm sure you remember what was here before that. Rocky is 1 game under .500 mostly because of his time a New Mexico, where you must admit, is a hard place to win...See Mike Locksley. Yet still got them to 5 bowl games. TC and CL would have killed for that. Look, I'm not saying that we'll be naming a street after the guy, but I just don't see how you're looking into the future and seeing mediocrity, and everyone else seeing hope. You said "If" you're right, but followed that up with "my conclusion" suggesting that your mind is made up. I just sounds silly to make a statement like that with no evidence to prove it. You are proving that you hate Rocky for some reason. Is it the LLU lost, he stole your girlfriend in HS, what? Do tell, because you sound more like an antagonist than a fan. And please don't come back with you're only being realistic. By the way, the ad hominem jabs, "stole your girlfriend", "hate Rocky" , etc. are kind of old, tiresome and not very helpful in advancing your view. In fact, they diminish it.
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Post by bill456 on Aug 25, 2012 7:56:52 GMT -8
I pointed out FACTS!! The team went to a Bowl last year, right? They went 8-5, Rocky's only record with the Aztecs, correct? He's 73 - 74 as a Head Coach, another fact. I will not speculate on why he wasn't hired elsewhere or why he stayed in that wasteland of a state, that's his business. By the way, look at the resume of Chris Petersen before he took the job at Boise State, real impressive right? And you talk about Hoke, he only had only one winning season, in which most of the players were brought in by CL/TC. Last years teams was not as good as the 2010, especially at the WR position. My issue about your comment is that you're comment on the future of the team and the coach, without seeing a snap of this season or next. You mention things about his personality that you don't, but yet you have not proven how that has been detrimental to SDSU! And the final fact is that he is the Head Coach, and will be until he doesn't perform as a Head Coach or something happens under his watch that causes embarrassment to the institution. Most fans at least hope for the best and make they're observations as the season goes on. Are you hoping for a losing season, because only by losing to I see State dropping Rocky. Saying that you don't like the way he's interviews or how he carries himself, is a mute point. And you can't fairly judge him until after you see enough proof to validate your opinion, while at SDSU!!
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2012 8:01:38 GMT -8
I pointed out FACTS!! The team went to a Bowl last year, right? They went 8-5, Rocky's only record with the Aztecs, correct? He's 73 - 74 as a Head Coach, another fact. I will not speculate on why he wasn't hired elsewhere or why he stayed in that wasteland of a state, that's his business. By the way, look at the resume of Chris Petersen before he took the job at Boise State, real impressive right? And you talk about Hoke, he only had only one winning season, in which most of the players were brought in by CL/TC. Last years teams was not as good as the 2010, especially at the WR position. My issue about your comment is that you're comment on the future of the team and the coach, without seeing a snap of this season or next. You mention things about his personality that you don't, but yet you have not proven how that has been detrimental to SDSU! And the final fact is that he is the Head Coach, and will be until he doesn't perform as a Head Coach or something happens under his watch that causes embarrassment to the institution. Most fans at least hope for the best and make they're observations as the season goes on. Are you hoping for a losing season, because only by losing to I see State dropping Rocky. Saying that you don't like the way he's interviews or how he carries himself, is a mute point. And you can't fairly judge him until after you see enough proof to validate your opinion, while at SDSU!! Please reread my post above. I believe I've already addressed your concerns.
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Post by bill456 on Aug 25, 2012 8:02:25 GMT -8
By the way, the ad hominem jabs, "stole your girlfriend", "hate Rocky" , etc. are kind of old, tiresome and not very helpful in advancing your view. In fact, they diminish it. What I'm trying to point is that it sounds like you have more than a professional reason for not liking Rocky. I'm sure others can see that as well.
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Post by bill456 on Aug 25, 2012 8:03:36 GMT -8
I pointed out FACTS!! The team went to a Bowl last year, right? They went 8-5, Rocky's only record with the Aztecs, correct? He's 73 - 74 as a Head Coach, another fact. I will not speculate on why he wasn't hired elsewhere or why he stayed in that wasteland of a state, that's his business. By the way, look at the resume of Chris Petersen before he took the job at Boise State, real impressive right? And you talk about Hoke, he only had only one winning season, in which most of the players were brought in by CL/TC. Last years teams was not as good as the 2010, especially at the WR position. My issue about your comment is that you're comment on the future of the team and the coach, without seeing a snap of this season or next. You mention things about his personality that you don't, but yet you have not proven how that has been detrimental to SDSU! And the final fact is that he is the Head Coach, and will be until he doesn't perform as a Head Coach or something happens under his watch that causes embarrassment to the institution. Most fans at least hope for the best and make they're observations as the season goes on. Are you hoping for a losing season, because only by losing to I see State dropping Rocky. Saying that you don't like the way he's interviews or how he carries himself, is a mute point. And you can't fairly judge him until after you see enough proof to validate your opinion, while at SDSU!! Please reread my post above. I believe I've already addressed your concerns. You have not!!
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2012 8:07:29 GMT -8
By the way, the ad hominem jabs, "stole your girlfriend", "hate Rocky" , etc. are kind of old, tiresome and not very helpful in advancing your view. In fact, they diminish it. What I'm trying to point is that it sounds like you have more than a professional reason for not liking Rocky. I'm sure others can see that as well. I appreciate the dial-down tone, but again, I feel I've answered your questions in my earlier post. I have ZERO animosity toward Rocky and ZERO connection with him. I see the "facts" that you see, and I interpret them differently. You obviously are not persuaded by my analysis, which likely means that I'm doing a poor job of communicating.
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Post by bill456 on Aug 25, 2012 8:20:38 GMT -8
What I'm trying to point is that it sounds like you have more than a professional reason for not liking Rocky. I'm sure others can see that as well. I appreciate the dial-down tone, but again, I feel I've answered your questions in my earlier post. I have ZERO animosity toward Rocky and ZERO connection with him. I see the "facts" that you see, and I interpret them differently. You obviously are not persuaded by my analysis, which likely means that I'm doing a poor job of communicating. Your communicating quite well. Your "own words" is what you interested in, and that's your right, so I'll stop with the responses. I'm a fan, and usually fans hope for the best, whatever the circumstances their team faces. I hope the team and Rocky proves you wrong, but for now it's wait and see.
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Post by mojo on Aug 25, 2012 9:17:08 GMT -8
Would you folks mind taking your personal squabbles out to the parking lot - in this case, "PM?"
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2012 9:25:49 GMT -8
Would you folks mind taking your personal squabbles out to the parking lot - in this case, "PM?" Thanks Dad.
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Post by bill456 on Aug 25, 2012 9:28:00 GMT -8
Would you folks mind taking your personal squabbles out to the parking lot - in this case, "PM?" The conversation had ended. No need for a ref.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 10:27:13 GMT -8
Why? We're never going to punt. I don't think we placekicked last year either. Well put.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 11:38:39 GMT -8
I going off the " But based on the above, my conclusion is that we are going to proceed into mediocrity with the current coaching" comment. You suggest team history and recruiting against our conference rivals as to what led you to your decision. But you did not mention how the team has played for 2 years at above .500 football. That's not mediocrity and we've yet to see what this team will do this year. I'm sure you remember what was here before that. Rocky is 1 game under .500 mostly because of his time a New Mexico, where you must admit, is a hard place to win...See Mike Locksley. Yet still got them to 5 bowl games. TC and CL would have killed for that. Look, I'm not saying that we'll be naming a street after the guy, but I just don't see how you're looking into the future and seeing mediocrity, and everyone else seeing hope. You said "If" you're right, but followed that up with "my conclusion" suggesting that your mind is made up. I just sounds silly to make a statement like that with no evidence to prove it. You are proving that you hate Rocky for some reason. Is it the LLU lost, he stole your girlfriend in HS, what? Do tell, because you sound more like an antagonist than a fan. And please don't come back with you're only being realistic. By the way, the ad hominem jabs, "stole your girlfriend", "hate Rocky" , etc. are kind of old, tiresome and not very helpful in advancing your view. In fact, they diminish it. The same thing can be said about your opinion about Rocky Long. ...old, tiresome and not very helpful in advancing your view. We all know you are entitled to your opinion and we know you don't think RL is a good enough coach to take SDSU to the next level (whatever that means) but some people's point here is that why don't you at least give him a 2nd year at SDSU before the constant comments on how ineffectual he is (or will be). (btw, I think James's point was that he did not know that SDSU will be lucky to be middle of the pack - in reference to your 'you know'.)
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2012 11:51:31 GMT -8
By the way, the ad hominem jabs, "stole your girlfriend", "hate Rocky" , etc. are kind of old, tiresome and not very helpful in advancing your view. In fact, they diminish it. The same thing can be said about your opinion about Rocky Long. ...old, tiresome and not very helpful in advancing your view. We all know you are entitled to your opinion and we know you don't think RL is a good enough coach to take SDSU to the next level (whatever that means) but some people's point here is that why don't you at least give him a 2nd year at SDSU before the constant comments on how ineffectual he is (or will be). (btw, I think James's point was that he did not know that SDSU will be lucky to be middle of the pack - in reference to your 'you know'.) It's really very simple, he asked why and I told him. You aren't really suggesting that I make no observations about the HC position are you? And the other side of the coin is that you do not have to burden yourself with the affliction of reading my posts. You're welcome. You and my ex would get along fine. BTW, your attempt to "explain" James' post is nice, but unhelpful, as I still feel we'll be fortunate (my opinion) to end up in the middle of the Big East conference. They will not (opinion again) be easy.
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Post by monty on Aug 25, 2012 12:11:17 GMT -8
By the way, look at the resume of Chris Petersen before he took the job at Boise State, real impressive right? I didn't realize that Petersen had ten years of sub-.500 DI head coaching experience before arriving at BSU. Am I missing something? Of course you are, Petersen didn't beat Chuck Long and Tom Craft and lose to just about everyone else, so he's not a good football coach.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 12:25:42 GMT -8
The same thing can be said about your opinion about Rocky Long. ...old, tiresome and not very helpful in advancing your view. We all know you are entitled to your opinion and we know you don't think RL is a good enough coach to take SDSU to the next level (whatever that means) but some people's point here is that why don't you at least give him a 2nd year at SDSU before the constant comments on how ineffectual he is (or will be). (btw, I think James's point was that he did not know that SDSU will be lucky to be middle of the pack - in reference to your 'you know'.) It's really very simple, he asked why and I told him. You aren't really suggesting that I make no observations about the HC position are you? And the other side of the coin is that you do not have to burden yourself with the affliction of reading my posts. You're welcome. You and my ex would get along fine. BTW, your attempt to "explain" James' post is nice, but unhelpful, as I still feel we'll be fortunate (my opinion) to end up in the middle of the Big East conference. They will not (opinion again) be easy. Bro, as I said, you are entitled to your opinion... I am simply expressing mine which is that yours seems to always be exactly the same - like you almost want it to happen so that you can be 'right'. Not sure what the reference was about your ex... but whatever. My explanation about James's comment was what it was, an explanation about his comment. I was not debating that you think SDSU will be lucky to be middle of the pack (odd that you would mention your opinion again since that wasn't even part of my comment)- your opinion is clear and I would not try to change your opinion like you seem to be bent on doing with others.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2012 12:37:11 GMT -8
It's really very simple, he asked why and I told him. You aren't really suggesting that I make no observations about the HC position are you? And the other side of the coin is that you do not have to burden yourself with the affliction of reading my posts. You're welcome. You and my ex would get along fine. BTW, your attempt to "explain" James' post is nice, but unhelpful, as I still feel we'll be fortunate (my opinion) to end up in the middle of the Big East conference. They will not (opinion again) be easy. Bro, as I said, you are entitled to your opinion... I am simply expressing mine which is that yours seems to always be exactly the same - like you almost want it to happen so that you can be 'right'. Not sure what the reference was about your ex... but whatever. My explanation about James's comment was what it was, an explanation about his comment. I was not debating that you think SDSU will be lucky to be middle of the pack (odd that you would mention your opinion again since that wasn't even part of my comment)- your opinion is clear and I would not try to change your opinion like you seem to be bent on doing with others. You're right, we differ and that's fine. Maybe I am guilty of "preaching" a bit too much. Could be. I'll think about that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 14:27:25 GMT -8
In the extremely unlikely event that both Katz and Dingwell went out for the season with injuries early on, I wouldn't expect 8+ wins. The other two QBs might have potential but they are both very green. Other than that, I agree that with this schedule, there's no reason we shouldn't win eight and that's the number I think we'll win in the regular season. Gotta play the bowl game better than we did last year though. What four possible (let alone plausible) losses do you see in a schedule like this? I count two and I'll be disappointed with three and mad at four. Unless you're saying we're gonna go 7-5 and then win a bowl game... If that's the case, which five regular season losses do you see? I truly hope you're wrong about the eight-win number because we've already been through that kind of phantom success before. Fact: As I said yesterday, we're a perfect 0-24 against Pac-10/12 schools on the road. Therefore, next Saturday will be our first loss. Fact: Boise State is something like 40-2 at home over the last seven years so that's a second virtually guaranteed loss. Fact: At least in football, we ALWAYS lose a game we have no business losing. So that's a third almost certain loss. Fact: Rocky Long is now not only 1-5 in his career in bowl games as a HC, he's just 2-4 against the point spread and in two of those four, he got blown out. So although I'm counting on us going bowling again, I'm also counting on another loss once we get there. So that's four losses in 13 games. We'll be an underdog at Reno but the more I research that game, the more I like our chances. That game is sandwiched between home games against Hawaii and UNLV, neither of which is going to be any good, so we should be able to devote a little extra time preparing for the Wolfpack whereas they will be coming off a road game against hated rival UNLV. Plus, Cody Fajardo is by far the most overrated player in the conference coming into the season. The kid completed a whopping 68.8% of his passes last year but had a TD to INT ratio of 6:6. How is that even possible? The answer is he put up great numbers against horrible opponents but stunk it up against the good teams he faced. Finally, UNR finished 7-6 last year without Kaepernick but that was illusory as they went 5-2 against the miserable WAC but 2-4 against everybody else. So I'm now looking at that one as a toss-up which, if we are truly improving, we will find a way to win. I predict that except for the possible exception of the game we have no business losing, we will go undefeated at home and I think we'll win every other road game except for maybe Wyoming. Since Dave Christensen, who does a good but certainly not great job, as out-coached Rocky two of the last three years (that includes Rocky's second year as Hoke's DC), if we lose both the finale at Wyoming and our bowl game, Monty won't be the only one questioning how long the guy should remain on the Mesa. If, however, we finish even 8-4 in the regular season and then win our bowl game, I'll remain satisfied with him and even with this mediocre schedule, if we go 10-3, I'll be very pleased. Sorry for the Long answer (and the bad pun).
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