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Post by longtimebooster on Aug 19, 2012 6:50:48 GMT -8
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 19, 2012 8:06:42 GMT -8
Many years ago I read a book on football strategy. It was so old (the 1930s at the latest) that pro ball was not a factor; the focus of the book was college football.
The book included a chart indicating what strategy should be used at different yard lines. The almost complete emphasis on defense of those days was on display in that chart. The correct strategy for first down . . . first down! . . . inside the ten yard line, according to the chart was to punt. That's right! Kick on first down!
This was well after the forward pass had been introduced (1906), yet defense still dominated coaches' thinking. If you look at the scores from well into the 1920s, for instance, you will see lots of 7-0 games and not a few scoreless ties.
I would say that a team with a solid defense should seriously consider going for it on fourth down inside the opponents' thirty yard line instead of trying a FG and probably inside the 40 in most cases. As has been stated, though, coaches are a very conservative bunch.
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 19, 2012 8:26:18 GMT -8
Sorry about my omission of the yard line in my reply. According to the old book I read a team should kick on first down inside its own ten yard line.
AzWm
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Post by OCEOTL on Aug 19, 2012 9:05:27 GMT -8
All this publicity is KILLING us.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 19, 2012 9:13:52 GMT -8
I love the publicity, it's a very good thing. But I can't restrain myself any more, Coach Long might be an adequate DC, but he has no clue on how to be the head coach of a major (we hope) program.
Alright, let the arrows come my way. That has been my opinion from moment he was promoted and it's only getting stronger.
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Post by monty on Aug 19, 2012 9:16:17 GMT -8
now he's catching the whoppers, might as well throw back some of those other fish he's caught
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Post by uncledougy on Aug 19, 2012 9:45:39 GMT -8
I love the publicity, it's a very good thing. But I can't restrain myself any more, Coach Long might be an adequate DC, but he has no clue on how to be the head coach of a major (we hope) program. Alright, let the arrows come my way. That has been my opinion from moment he was promoted and it's only getting stronger. No arrows from me, as I agree 100%! I am praying Coach makes me look like an idiot for doubting him. |
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Post by k5james on Aug 19, 2012 10:33:15 GMT -8
I love the publicity, it's a very good thing. But I can't restrain myself any more, Coach Long might be an adequate DC, but he has no clue on how to be the head coach of a major (we hope) program. Alright, let the arrows come my way. That has been my opinion from moment he was promoted and it's only getting stronger. Lol, yeah, he clearly doesn't know what he's doing. He got us more pub than we've had since Marshall with a few off the cuff remarks about not punting. You people are highlarious. |
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Post by myownwords on Aug 19, 2012 10:44:20 GMT -8
I love the publicity, it's a very good thing. But I can't restrain myself any more, Coach Long might be an adequate DC, but he has no clue on how to be the head coach of a major (we hope) program. Alright, let the arrows come my way. That has been my opinion from moment he was promoted and it's only getting stronger. Lol, yeah, he clearly doesn't know what he's doing. He got us more pub than we've had since Marshall with a few off the cuff remarks about not punting. You people are highlarious. Publicity is something we very much need, however I do NOT buy into that old bromide of "Don't care what they say, just spell my name right". He could also have gotten us publicity if he'd mooned the press, which he often does verbally. |
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Post by myownwords on Aug 19, 2012 10:47:40 GMT -8
I love the publicity, it's a very good thing. But I can't restrain myself any more, Coach Long might be an adequate DC, but he has no clue on how to be the head coach of a major (we hope) program. Alright, let the arrows come my way. That has been my opinion from moment he was promoted and it's only getting stronger. Lol, yeah, he clearly doesn't know what he's doing. He got us more pub than we've had since Marshall with a few off the cuff remarks about not punting. You people are highlarious. And just to be clear, I do NOT presume to believe that Rocky "planned" the PR. I am more certain that he stumbled into it. |
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 19, 2012 10:47:53 GMT -8
I don't see what the big deal is. Teams prepare for opponents going for it on 4th down anyways. It's not like if it's week 1 and Rocky goes for it on 4th without having said anything, the other team will be like "Oh my God what do we do? Are we supposed to play defense? He's totes not punting we weren't prepared for this WHAT DO WE DO!?"
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Post by mojo on Aug 19, 2012 11:05:27 GMT -8
Frantic
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« Reply #3 Today at 8:42am »
Assuming Long is serious, I'm still trying to understand why Long would announce his strategy? Zero to gain, but any element of surprise is lost and opposing defenses will be ready.
And why stop there? Long should announce what he intends on doing on first down too. quote:
Actually, I think there is a lot to be gained here as the opposing coach still doesn't know what's going to happen. If Rocky knows he's going to go for it on 4th down, his 3rd down call would set it up, but the opposing coach may not be prepared for it. Knowing you're going for it on 4th changes the 3rd down play calling. That's where an opponent could be caught off guard!
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 11:40:32 GMT -8
A fake punt or two never hurt anyone.
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Post by aztec92115 on Aug 19, 2012 12:31:47 GMT -8
crazy how much publicity this is receiving!
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Post by monty on Aug 19, 2012 17:24:59 GMT -8
A fake punt or two never hurt anyone. Neither did faking not to punt |
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Post by monty on Aug 19, 2012 17:26:06 GMT -8
All this press shows how much as a country we all hate kicking, kickers and anything involving feet
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 19, 2012 17:45:25 GMT -8
I love it, no forward thinkin...
Someone will be the Billy Beane of Football...
Blitzing usually a bad thing, especially at the NFL level...
Punting and FG's done way too often at all levels...
On-sides kick, way better option than most think...
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 8:59:47 GMT -8
Lol, yeah, he clearly doesn't know what he's doing. He got us more pub than we've had since Marshall with a few off the cuff remarks about not punting. You people are highlarious. And just to be clear, I do NOT presume to believe that Rocky "planned" the PR. I am more certain that he stumbled into it. He did the same thing last year. That's why I think it's calculated. |
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Post by OCEOTL on Aug 20, 2012 9:06:45 GMT -8
I love it, no forward thinkin... Punting and FG's done way too often at all levels... On-sides kick, way better option than most think... Yup! |
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Post by jcljorgenson on Aug 20, 2012 9:15:19 GMT -8
I don't get all the publicity. The high school coach would go for it if he was on his own 5 yard line with 20 yards to go for a first down. Long said he wouldn't punt if he was "past midfield." I would say most coaches wouldn't punt if they were at least at the 40 yard line of the opponent - unless it was fourth and long. So essentially, Long is taking on about 10 to 15 yards of additional risk, big deal? I think it makes sense.
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