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Post by missiontrails on Jul 12, 2012 9:55:42 GMT -8
Im kinda tore in the middle..... I don't think I would share that information if I were you.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jul 12, 2012 9:57:39 GMT -8
I love how we all just witnessed how long it takes to build a legitimate powerhouse in our basketball program and now some of our more impatient fans (myownwords and spgonzo) stupidly think that after just two winning seasons we should somehow be a powerhouse in recruiting. Then they get on their high horse and defend their lack of knowledge with claims of "I just have higher expectations! And you should too!". I guess we are all entitled to an opinion but that doesn't change the fact that your opinions are uninformed and wrong. When we go 7-6 this year ( which is very likely to happen) ill fully expect you two clowns to be leading the Fire Rocky chants. I'll be here to chit on those arguments as well. When you actually want to engage in argument or debate instead of fact-void diatribes, please get back to me. And yes, it would appear from your comments that my expectations are indead higher than yours. You want facts? I'll give you facts, but I'm sorry but I'm not quite sure I see what facts you are using other than being chicken little about our recruiting in July. Trying to draw conclusions about our recruiting class in July is just baseless speculation. Ratings get updated, changed, new offers come in, we'll get more commits who you haven't even seen yet, etc. I'm not calling you out for not using facts. I'm calling you out because you are professing a belief when the facts aren't even known yet by anyone. You are basically trying to claim that because Bear Mountain hasn't gotten any snow yet that we should all start panicking in July if we planned on going snowboarding or skiing this winter. And most importantly your basis for your claims is easily proved wrong anyway. If you look at last years class we beat out BCS schools for several of our recruits. So here are the facts for you smartass. According to ESPN each of these guys had offers from BCS schools: Matt Morin: ASU Kwayde Miller: Oregon, Oregon St., Wisconsin, WSU Arthur Flores: Vanderbuilt, Colorado, UCF, Utah, Boise St.(still worth beating) Austin Maass: Colorado Malcolm Jackson: Washington, Arizona Nico Siragusa: Oregon St., Colorado, WSU Teddy Queen: Colorado Damontae Kazee: ASU, Washington Alex Howard: Boise Kendrick Mathis: WSU Jeff Overbaugh: Tennessee Lloyd Mills: Colorado Eric Judge: UCLA This list doesn't even include the 3 transfers we pulled in from BCS schools: Ryan Katz, Brice Butler, and Dillon Baxter(yes I know he failed but talent was never the question) This also doesn't include the players whom the general consensus believes will be studs and have a big impact: Dan Kottman, Seamus McMorrow The only recruits from last year who don't fall into those above categories are: Chase Favreau (grey shirt) Ben Moa (grey shirt) Alex Barrett Justin Aysse (JC and apparently not making it campus) Aaron Boesch (JC but could argue he will be a big contributor, TE Univ also wanted him) Terry Poole (JC) So excuse me for thinking you are full of chit to complain when your own argument makes no sense to even compare to last years class. Like a chick you worry too much about appearances and these star ratings. Bottom line is rebuilding takes time, as in like 5 years time. It doesn't happen overnight, especially at a non BCS school. So while you wear your retarded expectations like a badge of honor just know that everyone else here who has ever been involved in the recruiting world is laughing at you.
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Post by rmksdsu30 on Jul 12, 2012 10:14:42 GMT -8
love it mission tail now i know what your thinkin about fool
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 12, 2012 10:34:38 GMT -8
When you actually want to engage in argument or debate instead of fact-void diatribes, please get back to me. And yes, it would appear from your comments that my expectations are indead higher than yours. You want facts? I'll give you facts, but I'm sorry but I'm not quite sure I see what facts you are using other than being chicken little about our recruiting in July. Trying to draw conclusions about our recruiting class in July is just baseless speculation. Ratings get updated, changed, new offers come in, we'll get more commits who you haven't even seen yet, etc. I'm not calling you out for not using facts. I'm calling you out because you are professing a belief when the facts aren't even known yet by anyone. You are basically trying to claim that because Bear Mountain hasn't gotten any snow yet that we should all start panicking in July if we planned on going snowboarding or skiing this winter. And most importantly your basis for your claims is easily proved wrong anyway. If you look at last years class we beat out BCS schools for several of our recruits. So here are the facts for you smartass. According to ESPN each of these guys had offers from BCS schools: Matt Morin: ASU Kwayde Miller: Oregon, Oregon St., Wisconsin, WSU Arthur Flores: Vanderbuilt, Colorado, UCF, Utah, Boise St.(still worth beating) Austin Maass: Colorado Malcolm Jackson: Washington, Arizona Nico Siragusa: Oregon St., Colorado, WSU Teddy Queen: Colorado Damontae Kazee: ASU, Washington Alex Howard: Boise Kendrick Mathis: WSU Jeff Overbaugh: Tennessee Lloyd Mills: Colorado Eric Judge: UCLA This list doesn't even include the 3 transfers we pulled in from BCS schools: Ryan Katz, Brice Butler, and Dillon Baxter(yes I know he failed but talent was never the question) This also doesn't include the players whom the general consensus believes will be studs and have a big impact: Dan Kottman, Seamus McMorrow The only recruits from last year who don't fall into those above categories are: Chase Favreau (grey shirt) Ben Moa (grey shirt) Alex Barrett Justin Aysse (JC and apparently not making it campus) Aaron Boesch (JC but could argue he will be a big contributor, TE Univ also wanted him) Terry Poole (JC) So excuse me for thinking you are full of chit to complain when your own argument makes no sense to even compare to last years class. Like a chick you worry too much about appearances and these star ratings. Bottom line is rebuilding takes time, as in like 5 years time. It doesn't happen overnight, especially at a non BCS school. So while you wear your retarded expectations like a badge of honor just know that everyone else here who has ever been involved in the recruiting world is laughing at you. You are missing the point. Sure we can beat CU or WSU, awesome. They are 2 of the worst team in the Nation over the past few years and Arizona didn't have a coach for a few months. I am an ASU Alum so I can say with certainty that Morin's offer was pulled because he regressed the summer before his SR year. He was a Rivals250 watch at the beginning of summer and was downgraded to a 3star because of his poor showing at camps by the end. ASU did not sign an QB last year. They would rather have nobody instead of Morin. Kazee's ASU offer was also pulled after Todd Graham was hired. Jackson's scholi was pulled by U Dub after they got a commit from Damion Turpin. And Eric Judge's UCLA scholi was pulled after they realized they had a shot with 2 4 star WR's, which they eventually signed. We should be beating WSU and CU on the reg. Miller, Flores and Siragusa are the only guys where we truly beat another team for a recruit. I already said Miller will be a stud. The offer list you used shows that they had an offer at one time. A scholarship offer is like a verbal commit, they can be retracted at any time. Note: The information in this post was provided by a Rivals.com website publisher and writer.
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 12, 2012 11:23:35 GMT -8
To me, it's pretty simple, you either need to get at least 3 or 4, 4-stars and rest 3-stars (like most of our future Big East mates) OR get 15 3-stars with a super coach (like Boise does). We have neither. Rubbish Boise built its program on two stars so did TCU only in the last two yerars have they beeen getting better recruits. They did the same thing we are doing ge tthe best athelte possibles and coach him up as well as work him out. There sre so many players who played multiple positions,or the worng position for his potential. Ie QB's that would be safetys or runingbacks, runningbacks that would be safetys and so on. Then there is the issue of the services do not agree on aything but the very top atheletes. JC players are not rated, Tyler Morris is a3 star ESPN and Socut,two stars rivals. Dakota Turener same thing. Last year we had 13 of those guys. I have talked to Biggins, Lemmings et all,they are no football geniuses,they can not tell if a guy is has grea tpotential for another position only how he performs in his position now. If stars mean s much why do they differ so much from service to service. Luca Bruno for innstance three stars rivals,scouts,66 grade ESPN too slow best shot og. Fact is I would rather have Beggs and Ricks both tall fast,much more potential,than a guy who is smaller slower. Then the Alumni gets all woofed up about stars and it can effect recruiting. When Cal signed Mike Muhammed from El Centro 6'4 200lb linebacker played de)in hhigh school Cal fans went berserk, NO stars a bum. He turned out thier best linebacker. Several three stars ended up dog meat.aLl thier igh rated QBs overrated.. Big slow but good HS players get three stars. Tall skiny raw recrutis with double the potential get nada.. Even Cal and UA,UCLA have some two stars and non rated in the mix,soo tey musrt tink they are good. why would you want stanops say over Cormier or Baltazar? Because he is a sure fre top players if not at rb at safety or lber. Very fast very to going to be about 6'1 220 Christian Piarra three stars great high school player not D! quality. Escobar,Mc Fadden,Lockett two stars. I want Randy Ricks bad would take him over Bruno who is stall a good kid. 6'5 electronic 4.62. Randy will be 6;'5 250 easy and blisteingly fast . He coudl even play tight ende orlinebacker. Bruno is a olineman or a dt period. Mike Mohammed, El Centro? Steve bite your tongue; Mikey's a Brawley Wildcat! How dare you smear him w/ the El Centro label... In all seriousness, Mike was a classic example of a kid who didn't get much recognition because he played out here in Brawley. As you state, he was a zero star guy when Cal offered him and while at Cal matured into a solid LB for them and is now on the Broncos' roster. Sure we'd all like to be able to pound our chests on the various message boards we frequent about the 4 and 5 star guys we are landing, but the reality of it is that stars do not guarantee success. I'll take a team built of Mike Mohammed types any day of the week over a team built w/ Dillon Baxter types. Unless I have some inside info, I will trust the coaches' judgement on the kids they are offering. PS - we got one more Mohamed in the pipeline, and yes the Aztecs have been out to see him.
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Post by aztech on Jul 12, 2012 12:56:37 GMT -8
Mike Mohammed, El Centro? Steve bite your tongue; Mikey's a Brawley Wildcat! How dare you smear him w/ the El Centro label... In all seriousness, Mike was a classic example of a kid who didn't get much recognition because he played out here in Brawley. As you state, he was a zero star guy when Cal offered him and while at Cal matured into a solid LB for them and is now on the Broncos' roster. Sure we'd all like to be able to pound our chests on the various message boards we frequent about the 4 and 5 star guys we are landing, but the reality of it is that stars do not guarantee success. I'll take a team built of Mike Mohammed types any day of the week over a team built w/ Dillon Baxter types. Unless I have some inside info, I will trust the coaches' judgement on the kids they are offering. PS - we got one more Mohamed in the pipeline, and yes the Aztecs have been out to see him. Every now and then the rags publish "Where are they now?" features on the can't miss 5 stars. I'm pretty sure they get longer leashes in college compared to the lower star guys. Despite that it's amazing how many end up as mediocre or flops. Same holds true with #1 NFL draft choices, considering how much time and money each team invests in researching players. Just goes to show how inexact ratings truly are.
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Post by ernieaztec on Jul 12, 2012 15:04:16 GMT -8
our program isnt as cnsustent as ucf please stop making comparisions after two seasons
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jul 12, 2012 15:14:44 GMT -8
You want facts? I'll give you facts, but I'm sorry but I'm not quite sure I see what facts you are using other than being chicken little about our recruiting in July. Trying to draw conclusions about our recruiting class in July is just baseless speculation. Ratings get updated, changed, new offers come in, we'll get more commits who you haven't even seen yet, etc. I'm not calling you out for not using facts. I'm calling you out because you are professing a belief when the facts aren't even known yet by anyone. You are basically trying to claim that because Bear Mountain hasn't gotten any snow yet that we should all start panicking in July if we planned on going snowboarding or skiing this winter. And most importantly your basis for your claims is easily proved wrong anyway. If you look at last years class we beat out BCS schools for several of our recruits. So here are the facts for you smartass. According to ESPN each of these guys had offers from BCS schools: Matt Morin: ASU Kwayde Miller: Oregon, Oregon St., Wisconsin, WSU Arthur Flores: Vanderbuilt, Colorado, UCF, Utah, Boise St.(still worth beating) Austin Maass: Colorado Malcolm Jackson: Washington, Arizona Nico Siragusa: Oregon St., Colorado, WSU Teddy Queen: Colorado Damontae Kazee: ASU, Washington Alex Howard: Boise Kendrick Mathis: WSU Jeff Overbaugh: Tennessee Lloyd Mills: Colorado Eric Judge: UCLA This list doesn't even include the 3 transfers we pulled in from BCS schools: Ryan Katz, Brice Butler, and Dillon Baxter(yes I know he failed but talent was never the question) This also doesn't include the players whom the general consensus believes will be studs and have a big impact: Dan Kottman, Seamus McMorrow The only recruits from last year who don't fall into those above categories are: Chase Favreau (grey shirt) Ben Moa (grey shirt) Alex Barrett Justin Aysse (JC and apparently not making it campus) Aaron Boesch (JC but could argue he will be a big contributor, TE Univ also wanted him) Terry Poole (JC) So excuse me for thinking you are full of chit to complain when your own argument makes no sense to even compare to last years class. Like a chick you worry too much about appearances and these star ratings. Bottom line is rebuilding takes time, as in like 5 years time. It doesn't happen overnight, especially at a non BCS school. So while you wear your retarded expectations like a badge of honor just know that everyone else here who has ever been involved in the recruiting world is laughing at you. You are missing the point. Sure we can beat CU or WSU, awesome. They are 2 of the worst team in the Nation over the past few years and Arizona didn't have a coach for a few months. I am an ASU Alum so I can say with certainty that Morin's offer was pulled because he regressed the summer before his SR year. He was a Rivals250 watch at the beginning of summer and was downgraded to a 3star because of his poor showing at camps by the end. ASU did not sign an QB last year. They would rather have nobody instead of Morin. Kazee's ASU offer was also pulled after Todd Graham was hired. Jackson's scholi was pulled by U Dub after they got a commit from Damion Turpin. And Eric Judge's UCLA scholi was pulled after they realized they had a shot with 2 4 star WR's, which they eventually signed. We should be beating WSU and CU on the reg. Miller, Flores and Siragusa are the only guys where we truly beat another team for a recruit. I already said Miller will be a stud. The offer list you used shows that they had an offer at one time. A scholarship offer is like a verbal commit, they can be retracted at any time. Note: The information in this post was provided by a Rivals.com website publisher and writer. Ok so then you are saying that the 4 of them are bums who wont ever contribute then? Kazee and Jackson still had other BCS offers too so you basically just moved Morin and Judge over to the bottom category. Morin may never contribute more than being a backup but Judge certainly has the tools to be a contributor. So after not really changing the overall picture of the last recruiting class with your above points I would still contend that you are the one missing the point. Now would you care to address my other points as to recklessly making wholesale determinations about a recruiting class in July?
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 12, 2012 15:24:34 GMT -8
You are missing the point. Sure we can beat CU or WSU, awesome. They are 2 of the worst team in the Nation over the past few years and Arizona didn't have a coach for a few months. I am an ASU Alum so I can say with certainty that Morin's offer was pulled because he regressed the summer before his SR year. He was a Rivals250 watch at the beginning of summer and was downgraded to a 3star because of his poor showing at camps by the end. ASU did not sign an QB last year. They would rather have nobody instead of Morin. Kazee's ASU offer was also pulled after Todd Graham was hired. Jackson's scholi was pulled by U Dub after they got a commit from Damion Turpin. And Eric Judge's UCLA scholi was pulled after they realized they had a shot with 2 4 star WR's, which they eventually signed. We should be beating WSU and CU on the reg. Miller, Flores and Siragusa are the only guys where we truly beat another team for a recruit. I already said Miller will be a stud. The offer list you used shows that they had an offer at one time. A scholarship offer is like a verbal commit, they can be retracted at any time. Note: The information in this post was provided by a Rivals.com website publisher and writer. Ok so then you are saying that the 4 of them are bums who wont ever contribute then? Kazee and Jackson still had other BCS offers too so you basically just moved Morin and Judge over to the bottom category. Morin may never contribute more than being a backup but Judge certainly has the tools to be a contributor. So after not really changing the overall picture of the last recruiting class with your above points I would still contend that you are the one missing the point. Now would you care to address my other points as to recklessly making wholesale determinations about a recruiting class in July? You're right. We are doing great so far. This class has me really excited so far with the progress and momentum moving into the BE. David Well is going to be the next Gavin Escobar. Nick Begg will most likely be the next Antwan Applewhite. Rosales, the next Embernate at the very least. Dakota Turner will be the next Miles Burris if he stays at LB. And don't even get me started on our 3 stars! Stamps will be better than Hillman since he had a CU offer and Ronnie didn't. Tyler Morris? Next Brian Urlacher.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 12, 2012 15:50:20 GMT -8
You are missing the point. Sure we can beat CU or WSU, awesome. They are 2 of the worst team in the Nation over the past few years and Arizona didn't have a coach for a few months. I am an ASU Alum so I can say with certainty that Morin's offer was pulled because he regressed the summer before his SR year. He was a Rivals250 watch at the beginning of summer and was downgraded to a 3star because of his poor showing at camps by the end. ASU did not sign an QB last year. They would rather have nobody instead of Morin. Kazee's ASU offer was also pulled after Todd Graham was hired. Jackson's scholi was pulled by U Dub after they got a commit from Damion Turpin. And Eric Judge's UCLA scholi was pulled after they realized they had a shot with 2 4 star WR's, which they eventually signed. We should be beating WSU and CU on the reg. Miller, Flores and Siragusa are the only guys where we truly beat another team for a recruit. I already said Miller will be a stud. The offer list you used shows that they had an offer at one time. A scholarship offer is like a verbal commit, they can be retracted at any time. Note: The information in this post was provided by a Rivals.com website publisher and writer. Ok so then you are saying that the 4 of them are bums who wont ever contribute then? Kazee and Jackson still had other BCS offers too so you basically just moved Morin and Judge over to the bottom category. Morin may never contribute more than being a backup but Judge certainly has the tools to be a contributor. So after not really changing the overall picture of the last recruiting class with your above points I would still contend that you are the one missing the point. Now would you care to address my other points as to recklessly making wholesale determinations about a recruiting class in July? To me, this seems to be going off in a tangential direction. No one---certainly not me--has suggested that 0-stars and 2-stars, etc. don't sometimes hit it big. That happens. Just trying to point out the VERY slow 2 steps forward 3 steps back, then in some cases we see 3 steps forward and 2 back. Yes, I feel we must make much bigger leaps than what we've seen over the past 4 years. The biggest leap was in Hoke's second year. But going into the Big East, our recruiting mirrors their bottom two teams. That is not a good sign. You may not like to talk about that, or even hear about it, but that's the reality.
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 12, 2012 16:03:46 GMT -8
Ok so then you are saying that the 4 of them are bums who wont ever contribute then? Kazee and Jackson still had other BCS offers too so you basically just moved Morin and Judge over to the bottom category. Morin may never contribute more than being a backup but Judge certainly has the tools to be a contributor. So after not really changing the overall picture of the last recruiting class with your above points I would still contend that you are the one missing the point. Now would you care to address my other points as to recklessly making wholesale determinations about a recruiting class in July? To me, this seems to be going off in a tangential direction. No one---certainly not me--has suggested that 0-stars and 2-stars, etc. don't sometimes hit it big. That happens. Just trying to point out the VERY slow 2 steps forward 3 steps back, then in some cases we see 3 steps forward and 2 back. Yes, I feel we must make much bigger leaps than what we've seen over the past 4 years. The biggest leap was in Hoke's second year. But going into the Big East, our recruiting mirrors their bottom two teams. That is not a good sign. You may not like to talk about that, or even hear about it, but that's the reality. Ahhhhhhhhh, opinions and speculation about early-verballed recruits is now "reality". Thanks for enlightening me.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 12, 2012 16:06:52 GMT -8
To me, this seems to be going off in a tangential direction. No one---certainly not me--has suggested that 0-stars and 2-stars, etc. don't sometimes hit it big. That happens. Just trying to point out the VERY slow 2 steps forward 3 steps back, then in some cases we see 3 steps forward and 2 back. Yes, I feel we must make much bigger leaps than what we've seen over the past 4 years. The biggest leap was in Hoke's second year. But going into the Big East, our recruiting mirrors their bottom two teams. That is not a good sign. You may not like to talk about that, or even hear about it, but that's the reality. Ahhhhhhhhh, opinions and speculation about early-verballed recruits is now "reality". Thanks for enlightening me. Glad I could help.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jul 12, 2012 16:32:18 GMT -8
Ok so then you are saying that the 4 of them are bums who wont ever contribute then? Kazee and Jackson still had other BCS offers too so you basically just moved Morin and Judge over to the bottom category. Morin may never contribute more than being a backup but Judge certainly has the tools to be a contributor. So after not really changing the overall picture of the last recruiting class with your above points I would still contend that you are the one missing the point. Now would you care to address my other points as to recklessly making wholesale determinations about a recruiting class in July? You're right. We are doing great so far. This class has me really excited so far with the progress and momentum moving into the BE. David Well is going to be the next Gavin Escobar. Nick Begg will most likely be the next Antwan Applewhite. Rosales, the next Embernate at the very least. Dakota Turner will be the next Miles Burris if he stays at LB. And don't even get me started on our 3 stars! Stamps will be better than Hillman since he had a CU offer and Ronnie didn't. Tyler Morris? Next Brian Urlacher. I'm not saying that you have to be "that guy" either. I'm just trying to stomp out this chicken little crap in July that myownwords has latched onto. The fact that it is paired with comments about how Rocky isn't the guy to take us there comments makes it obvious that its just a precursor to Fire Rocky! threads. To be fair I think that your comments specifically have been a bit more reasonable. I'm not sold on Wells and Begg yet either, but I do believe that turner and stamps are the real deal.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 12, 2012 17:08:53 GMT -8
You're right. We are doing great so far. This class has me really excited so far with the progress and momentum moving into the BE. David Well is going to be the next Gavin Escobar. Nick Begg will most likely be the next Antwan Applewhite. Rosales, the next Embernate at the very least. Dakota Turner will be the next Miles Burris if he stays at LB. And don't even get me started on our 3 stars! Stamps will be better than Hillman since he had a CU offer and Ronnie didn't. Tyler Morris? Next Brian Urlacher. I'm not saying that you have to be "that guy" either. I'm just trying to stomp out this chicken little crap in July that myownwords has latched onto. The fact that it is paired with comments about how Rocky isn't the guy to take us there comments makes it obvious that its just a precursor to Fire Rocky! threads. To be fair I think that your comments specifically have been a bit more reasonable. I'm not sold on Wells and Begg yet either, but I do believe that turner and stamps are the real deal. There is no chicken little here. I am simply stating that our class is not all that impressive, stars or not. I just find it comical that whenever someone commits, some people are going to try to get every bit of optimism out of it. "He is 6'5, he played basketball, he didn't go to any camps, he has a great frame, he wants to be an Aztec." I just refuse to do that. Why can't people accept the fact that we missed our top targets so he was what was left over instead of putting lipstick on a pig. Maybe it is my "retarded expectations." This is year 4 of the rebuild according to Rocky. Year 1 in the BE is year 5. Are we rebuilding to be a MWC team or a Big East team? Does the rebuild clock start over once we change conferences? When are others going to have elevated expectations? If it doesn't start now then when should it?
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Post by myownwords on Jul 12, 2012 17:15:45 GMT -8
I'm not saying that you have to be "that guy" either. I'm just trying to stomp out this chicken little crap in July that myownwords has latched onto. The fact that it is paired with comments about how Rocky isn't the guy to take us there comments makes it obvious that its just a precursor to Fire Rocky! threads. To be fair I think that your comments specifically have been a bit more reasonable. I'm not sold on Wells and Begg yet either, but I do believe that turner and stamps are the real deal. There is no chicken little here. I am simply stating that our class is not all that impressive, stars or not. I just find it comical that whenever someone commits, some people are going to try to get every bit of positivity out of it. "He is 6'5, he played basketball, he didn't go to any camps, he has a great frame, he wants to be an Aztec." I just refuse to do that. Why can't people except the fact that we missed our top targets so he was what was left over instead of putting lipstick on a pig. Maybe it is my "retarded expectations." This is year 4 of the rebuild according to Rocky. Year 1 in the BE is year 5. Are we rebuilding to be a MWC team or a Big East team? Does the rebuild clock start over once we change conferences? When are others going to have elevated expectations? If it doesn't start now then when should it? Well said, Spgonzo.
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Post by backwhenaztec on Jul 12, 2012 17:57:24 GMT -8
There's no use explaining anything to spgonzo or myownwords.. They both were collegiate coaches at the highest levels and recruited nothing but 5 star athletes their whole career. Post their Nic Saban success, they have become top flight analyst for numerous NFL n college teams in which their efforts have produced the last 15 Super Bowl winners and last 10 NCAA champions... Couple of things y'all obviously missed...
1. The post about Boise n their star ratings.. According to y'all they should have finished dead last those years.. Oh wait Fiesta Bowl Champs.. Summary, let's the coaches recruit players they like, for thier systems, and develop them!
2 According to y'all we should not have gone bowling back to back years and produced no nfl talent.. 2 star V Brown, 3 Star Burris, 2 Star Sampson, 3 Star Lundley, 3 Star Ronnie Hillman, 2 Star Leon McFadden, 2 star Gavin Escobar.. Summary I'll keep taking these guys any day of the week over 5 star Baxter, etc.. How many 4-5 stars UCLA currently have on their roster... And they suck!
We all know and understand that yall are the epitome of athletic knowledge and have a legitimate right to your opinion.. As we are entitled to ours.. So with that, Y'ALL DON'T KNOW CRAP! Thanks for reading..
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Post by badfish on Jul 12, 2012 18:00:29 GMT -8
Guys get their ratings after their junior year, usually after starting just 1 year on varsity. That's only about 1/2 of their HS career. A guy may look good and get 3 or 4* and just plateau, or he could improve during his senior year but never get reevaluated and remain a 2*.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Jul 12, 2012 19:25:13 GMT -8
I'm not saying that you have to be "that guy" either. I'm just trying to stomp out this chicken little crap in July that myownwords has latched onto. The fact that it is paired with comments about how Rocky isn't the guy to take us there comments makes it obvious that its just a precursor to Fire Rocky! threads. To be fair I think that your comments specifically have been a bit more reasonable. I'm not sold on Wells and Begg yet either, but I do believe that turner and stamps are the real deal. There is no chicken little here. I am simply stating that our class is not all that impressive, stars or not. I just find it comical that whenever someone commits, some people are going to try to get every bit of optimism out of it. "He is 6'5, he played basketball, he didn't go to any camps, he has a great frame, he wants to be an Aztec." I just refuse to do that. Why can't people accept the fact that we missed our top targets so he was what was left over instead of putting lipstick on a pig. Maybe it is my "retarded expectations." This is year 4 of the rebuild according to Rocky. Year 1 in the BE is year 5. Are we rebuilding to be a MWC team or a Big East team? Does the rebuild clock start over once we change conferences? When are others going to have elevated expectations? If it doesn't start now then when should it? Are you serious?!?!? You two have been nothing but chicken little. And if you want to do that in November then fine I can respect that. But July?!?! You guys have both hit the panic button in all of your posts and the only point I'm trying to make is it is too early to make those judgements.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 12, 2012 20:34:42 GMT -8
There is no chicken little here. I am simply stating that our class is not all that impressive, stars or not. I just find it comical that whenever someone commits, some people are going to try to get every bit of optimism out of it. "He is 6'5, he played basketball, he didn't go to any camps, he has a great frame, he wants to be an Aztec." I just refuse to do that. Why can't people accept the fact that we missed our top targets so he was what was left over instead of putting lipstick on a pig. Maybe it is my "retarded expectations." This is year 4 of the rebuild according to Rocky. Year 1 in the BE is year 5. Are we rebuilding to be a MWC team or a Big East team? Does the rebuild clock start over once we change conferences? When are others going to have elevated expectations? If it doesn't start now then when should it? Are you serious?!?!? You two have been nothing but chicken little. And if you want to do that in November then fine I can respect that. But July?!?! You guys have both hit the panic button in all of your posts and the only point I'm trying to make is it is too early to make those judgements. I would love to hear your response or anyone else's to my questions in the previous post.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 21:00:22 GMT -8
Are you serious?!?!? You two have been nothing but chicken little. And if you want to do that in November then fine I can respect that. But July?!?! You guys have both hit the panic button in all of your posts and the only point I'm trying to make is it is too early to make those judgements. I would love to hear your response or anyone else's to my questions in the previous post. OK hows this you do not know what you are tlaking about. Should we nad mouth the palyers before they get here,Thatg would look real good.I already posted an answer to your question,. The cart does not come before the horse.I do not think you have an inkling about what goes on in recuiting. You know who pulled whose scholarship offer. Bovine excrement. Coach's never talk about that it is totally anathema. You piss off a high school coach and you are persona non grata. I talk to a couple of DI coaches at least once a week. People on the board know that is reality because my name has been associated with them In the UT and north County times. Only the head coach makes the final say on who gets what,and they do not share it with the public. The Coached at Crenshaw essentially banned SDSU from campus all the time Craft was here because they pissed him off. There is a Sun Devil board go to it. Also, why are using "We' Kimo sabe?
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