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Post by uwaztec on Aug 16, 2010 13:49:36 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 16, 2010 15:07:33 GMT -8
I see little that this has to do with Beck or Olbermann, but China is very close to passing up Japan right now. It is not the noise at the fringe, but the cancer that is our present administration that fails allow us to fully engage or compete in the business world. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Aug 16, 2010 15:20:49 GMT -8
Very good article.
What is the answer? Do we follow the Chinese system of one party dictatorship? While it didn't work for the USSR it seems to be working for China.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Aug 16, 2010 15:22:56 GMT -8
I see little that this has to do with Beck or Olbermann, but China is very close to passing up Japan right now. It is not the noise at the fringe, but the cancer that is our present administration that fails allow us to fully engage or compete in the business world. Win - You and people like you (on both sides) are the problem. You would much rather point fingers at "the other side" than try and work for the collective benefit of our country. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 16, 2010 16:07:44 GMT -8
I see little that this has to do with Beck or Olbermann, but China is very close to passing up Japan right now. It is not the noise at the fringe, but the cancer that is our present administration that fails allow us to fully engage or compete in the business world. Win - You and people like you (on both sides) are the problem. You would much rather point fingers at "the other side" than try and work for the collective benefit of our country. "Collective benefit"? From my view the use of that language is a huge part of the problem. It smacks of Socialism! We can never compete with that kind of thinking. |
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Post by monty on Aug 16, 2010 17:10:00 GMT -8
China eats our lunch because they destroy their skies, landscape and their per capita income is around 6 thousand dollars. So, if we want to destroy ourselves and environment even more and make most of our people basically slaves, then let's go and stop arguing about what the goal should be and just work towards the goal of becoming a super-duper power.
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Post by uwaztec on Aug 16, 2010 18:42:13 GMT -8
China eats our lunch because they destroy their skies, landscape and their per capita income is around 6 thousand dollars. So, if we want to destroy ourselves and environment even more and make most of our people basically slaves, then let's go and stop arguing about what the goal should be and just work towards the goal of becoming a super-duper power. Monty 100% correct, China is trashing their own, and the World's environments as fast as they can. The reason the Somali pirates had those boats and outboard motors early on is because China gave them, and many other African countries, that equipment to get as many shark fins as they could. My argument was more about the division in the US.... not to be more like China. Side note: if you want to slowly poison yourself, keep eating farmed tilapia and shrimp from Walmart. It all comes from China. Only 1% of it gets tested by the US, and 50% of that gets sent back. China has 13 of the 17 most polluted cities in the World. |
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Post by monty on Aug 16, 2010 21:29:15 GMT -8
China eats our lunch because they destroy their skies, landscape and their per capita income is around 6 thousand dollars. So, if we want to destroy ourselves and environment even more and make most of our people basically slaves, then let's go and stop arguing about what the goal should be and just work towards the goal of becoming a super-duper power. Monty 100% correct, China is trashing their own, and the World's environments as fast as they can. The reason the Somali pirates had those boats and outboard motors early on is because China gave them, and many other African countries, that equipment to get as many shark fins as they could. My argument was more about the division in the US.... not to be more like China. Side note: if you want to slowly poison yourself, keep eating farmed tilapia and shrimp from Walmart. It all comes from China. Only 1% of it gets tested by the US, and 50% of that gets sent back. China has 13 of the 17 most polluted cities in the World. Unfortunately we haven't figured out as people how to either bitch about $#!+ and stall things and it is s#!++y for say 30 or 40 percent in that country and if powerful enough for lots of other people outside, or put a dictator or oligarchy in command and ruin everything for more like 90-95 percent inside with the hope of making it s#!++y for everyone else. Now the inability to make a decision, the quest to keep slaves, the constant bitching amongst absurdly dressed folk stumbled upon this system, and it has lots of flaws (and I mean lots) but it does keep us out of trouble and once we get into super duper trouble (which we seem to do at least once a generation) all the bickering, blowjob talk, blackwater, black man without some secondary or tertiary birth certificate stealing our country, beans of jelly, bush savings and loans, and so on actually is kind of helpful. We've got a bunch of crazy f#$ks in this country, it gets scary when they get everything in line and some tragedy happens - we start invading countries that put a hit out on our dad; we start rounding up people with slanted eyes and throw them into camps (or we invent they sunk boats in some foreign water). We're scary, we need the shackles. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Aug 17, 2010 8:34:44 GMT -8
Win - You and people like you (on both sides) are the problem. You would much rather point fingers at "the other side" than try and work for the collective benefit of our country. "Collective benefit"? From my view the use of that language is a huge part of the problem. It smacks of Socialism! We can never compete with that kind of thinking. "There you go again."  |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 17, 2010 8:39:42 GMT -8
Win - You and people like you (on both sides) are the problem. You would much rather point fingers at "the other side" than try and work for the collective benefit of our country. "Collective benefit"? From my view the use of that language is a huge part of the problem. It smacks of Socialism! We can never compete with that kind of thinking. But, win, Socialism is exactly what we are competing against, and we are constantly losing ground. Something is seriously wrong with OUR system and we need to fix it. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 17, 2010 10:55:20 GMT -8
"Collective benefit"? From my view the use of that language is a huge part of the problem. It smacks of Socialism! We can never compete with that kind of thinking. But, win, Socialism is exactly what we are competing against, and we are constantly losing ground. Something is seriously wrong with OUR system and we need to fix it. Well, in that case, I suggest that I and a few of my like minded friends become the head MF bureaucrats in charge and the rest of you are to live within the means that we decide is good for you. And when your pay and benefits equal that of our our 3rd world brethren, we can then compete with those socialist governments participating in state sponsored capitalism using ridiculously cheap and exploited labor. Or perhaps we can stay a capitalist nation and continue benefiting from the standard of living it allows, fire a few old and hire some new Government bureaucrats that can actually negotiate equitable international trade deals (and refuse to give away the store to the socialist governments that subsidize their exports at our expense), elect a few representatives that will actually usher in US energy independence (as opposed to rat holing billions into the Department of Energy and hoping for pixie dust like solutions) and elect some representatives that will halt the undermining of our economy with continued borrowing from and the paying of interest to foreign governments. Well, on second thought, the first solution sounds much easier. Ergo - Obama has a following..... |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 17, 2010 11:10:47 GMT -8
"Collective benefit"? From my view the use of that language is a huge part of the problem. It smacks of Socialism! We can never compete with that kind of thinking. "There you go again." Good one! But really, it is just that when someone thinks in terms of "Collective Benefit", they are really saying they want to share in the fruits of someone else's effort since they are a slacker themselves. You will never hear that language from a real self made man. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 20, 2010 13:43:55 GMT -8
But, win, Socialism is exactly what we are competing against, and we are constantly losing ground. Something is seriously wrong with OUR system and we need to fix it. Well, in that case, I suggest that I and a few of my like minded friends become the head MF bureaucrats in charge and the rest of you are to live within the means that we decide is good for you. And when your pay and benefits equal that of our our 3rd world brethren, we can then compete with those socialist governments participating in state sponsored capitalism using ridiculously cheap and exploited labor. Or perhaps we can stay a capitalist nation and continue benefiting from the standard of living it allows, fire a few old and hire some new Government bureaucrats that can actually negotiate equitable international trade deals (and refuse to give away the store to the socialist governments that subsidize their exports at our expense), elect a few representatives that will actually usher in US energy independence (as opposed to rat holing billions into the Department of Energy and hoping for pixie dust like solutions) and elect some representatives that will halt the undermining of our economy with continued borrowing from and the paying of interest to foreign governments. Well, on second thought, the first solution sounds much easier. Ergo - Obama has a following..... Germany which is a socialist Utopia is doing very well on the world scene. The have the world's most productive laborers (if you do not count the Turks who have immigrated to Germany, Holland and Scandanavia by the millions. All the things that people in the US used to say about Lazy Ni&&ers is about what the Germans think about the Turkish work ethic. (Makes me wonder why they ever allowed them to immigrate in the first place if they do not work like the Germans do.) At any rate they are socialist and very productive and their rate of pay is higher than ours. Why are they doing so well while paying the highest pay in the world to their employees? |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 20, 2010 14:51:04 GMT -8
China eats our lunch because they destroy their skies, landscape and their per capita income is around 6 thousand dollars. So, if we want to destroy ourselves and environment even more and make most of our people basically slaves, then let's go and stop arguing about what the goal should be and just work towards the goal of becoming a super-duper power. Monty 100% correct, China is trashing their own, and the World's environments as fast as they can. The reason the Somali pirates had those boats and outboard motors early on is because China gave them, and many other African countries, that equipment to get as many shark fins as they could. My argument was more about the division in the US.... not to be more like China. Side note: if you want to slowly poison yourself, keep eating farmed tilapia and shrimp from Walmart. It all comes from China. Only 1% of it gets tested by the US, and 50% of that gets sent back. China has 13 of the 17 most polluted cities in the World. OK, you and Monty have defined a real problem. Now how about a fix? I have been to some real polluted places in my life and it is not all that pleasant. I have been to Singapore a number of times and am always impressed with how clean it is. I do not know it it is really clean or just looks clean on the surface. It has a vibrant economy and I have to wonder if that small economy can be replicated. |
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Post by aztec70 on Aug 20, 2010 21:04:47 GMT -8
China eating our lunch? Let me give every one a reminder. Japan was going to eat our lunch. What happened with that?
No one knows what the future holds. Lots of people make a fine living saying they do. Put on your hip boots when someone says they know what is going to happen.
I am long on the USA.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 21, 2010 6:35:25 GMT -8
China eating our lunch? Let me give every one a reminder. Japan was going to eat our lunch. What happened with that? No one knows what the future holds. Lots of people make a fine living saying they do. Put on your hip boots when someone says they know what is going to happen. I am long on the USA. I'm LONG on the USA. I'm LONG on the USA. I'm LONG on the USA. LONG on the USA! (Wasn't there a song like that?) Very smart decision. We have the greatest wealth of natural resources. The rest of the world stands back in awe and covets our blessings. |
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Post by tuff on Aug 21, 2010 20:22:16 GMT -8
Well, in that case, I suggest that I and a few of my like minded friends become the head MF bureaucrats in charge and the rest of you are to live within the means that we decide is good for you. And when your pay and benefits equal that of our our 3rd world brethren, we can then compete with those socialist governments participating in state sponsored capitalism using ridiculously cheap and exploited labor. Or perhaps we can stay a capitalist nation and continue benefiting from the standard of living it allows, fire a few old and hire some new Government bureaucrats that can actually negotiate equitable international trade deals (and refuse to give away the store to the socialist governments that subsidize their exports at our expense), elect a few representatives that will actually usher in US energy independence (as opposed to rat holing billions into the Department of Energy and hoping for pixie dust like solutions) and elect some representatives that will halt the undermining of our economy with continued borrowing from and the paying of interest to foreign governments. Well, on second thought, the first solution sounds much easier. Ergo - Obama has a following..... Germany which is a socialist Utopia is doing very well on the world scene. The have the world's most productive laborers (if you do not count the Turks who have immigrated to Germany, Holland and Scandanavia by the millions. All the things that people in the US used to say about Lazy Ni&&ers is about what the Germans think about the Turkish work ethic. (Makes me wonder why they ever allowed them to immigrate in the first place if they do not work like the Germans do.) At any rate they are socialist and very productive and their rate of pay is higher than ours. Why are they doing so well while paying the highest pay in the world to their employees? \ They're doing well because they don't have 20 million F^^king illegals sucking their finances dry. |
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Post by tuff on Aug 21, 2010 20:25:12 GMT -8
Has anyone here ever lived and worked in these socialist countries over a period of years??
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Post by davdesid on Aug 22, 2010 13:22:25 GMT -8
Has anyone here ever lived and worked in these socialist countries over a period of years?? I'd guess Joe has. Why, I'll bet he's lived everywhere at one time or another, including Hell. Until the Devil threw him out... (worried about his job). ;D |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Aug 22, 2010 15:07:39 GMT -8
Germany which is a socialist Utopia is doing very well on the world scene. The have the world's most productive laborers (if you do not count the Turks who have immigrated to Germany, Holland and Scandanavia by the millions. All the things that people in the US used to say about Lazy Ni&&ers is about what the Germans think about the Turkish work ethic. (Makes me wonder why they ever allowed them to immigrate in the first place if they do not work like the Germans do.) At any rate they are socialist and very productive and their rate of pay is higher than ours. Why are they doing so well while paying the highest pay in the world to their employees? \ They're doing well because they don't have 20 million F^^king illegals sucking their finances dry. But we do not have 20 million F^^king illegals sucking our finances dry. The illegal Hispanics are very productive workers. Now the Arab Radical Islamic Sleeper Cells are something to worry about. They seldom work unless they can get a job as Valet drivers. My step son Jason worked with them before they went back east to practice flying into buildings. |
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