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Post by AztecSports95 on Aug 12, 2010 10:30:48 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 10:36:13 GMT -8
Oh please, let it be so.
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Post by aztecs76 on Aug 12, 2010 10:44:16 GMT -8
I do so want to believe this, and so far this coaching staff and the way the team responds is great..!!
But i am going to issue a self-induced "cool aid" alert....!!
Year after year...decade after decade we read the same stuff in the newspapers etc..!!
I know this "feels" different and I sure hope so.....until then don't drink too much cool aid..!!
Go Aztecs..!!
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Post by laaztec on Aug 12, 2010 10:46:12 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 10:57:47 GMT -8
From Phil Steele in 2006:
Chuck Long steps into a good situation inheriting an underperforming team that is the 3rd most experienced in the MWC . . . San Diego St will have their first winning season since 1998 and are a bonafide contender in the MWC for 2006.
He picked us to tie BYU for third place in the conference.
The guy hasn't missed that badly since but often overrates us and almost never underrates us.
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Post by monty on Aug 12, 2010 11:00:37 GMT -8
From Phil Steele in 2006: Chuck Long steps into a good situation inheriting an underperforming team that is the 3rd most experienced in the MWC . . . San Diego St will have their first winning season since 1998 and are a bonafide contender in the MWC for 2006.He picked us to tie BYU for third place in the conference. The guy hasn't missed that badly since but often overrates us and almost never underrates us. Weren't we on his most improved list last year too? He overvalues us nearly every year, and it goes, I think, to my one major problem with him, he has a luck quotient and views things as a pendulum, such as turnovers cycle not being a product of talent, effort and coaching. But, overall, everyother publication together doesn't equal the information in his. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 12, 2010 11:02:21 GMT -8
From Phil Steele in 2006: Chuck Long steps into a good situation inheriting an underperforming team that is the 3rd most experienced in the MWC . . . San Diego St will have their first winning season since 1998 and are a bonafide contender in the MWC for 2006.He picked us to tie BYU for third place in the conference. The guy hasn't missed that badly since but often overrates us and almost never underrates us. Phil may have been right about the first part..... "Chuck Long steps into a good situation inheriting an underperforming team that is the 3rd most experienced in the MWC" but he must have not anticipated the depths of Longs genius. |
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Post by Old School on Aug 12, 2010 11:21:23 GMT -8
Lots of potential but can they deliver?
That's always the case.
Oldie Out
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Post by fowl on Aug 12, 2010 12:08:27 GMT -8
PS always over-rates us. I have his mags going back to '98 and I don't recall a year in which we performed significatly better than he predicted.
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Post by McQuervo on Aug 12, 2010 12:32:11 GMT -8
From Phil Steele in 2006: Chuck Long steps into a good situation inheriting an underperforming team that is the 3rd most experienced in the MWC . . . San Diego St will have their first winning season since 1998 and are a bonafide contender in the MWC for 2006.He picked us to tie BYU for third place in the conference. The guy hasn't missed that badly since but often overrates us and almost never underrates us. Consider the "Staff" at that time.  |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 12, 2010 12:39:43 GMT -8
From Phil Steele in 2006: Chuck Long steps into a good situation inheriting an underperforming team that is the 3rd most experienced in the MWC . . . San Diego St will have their first winning season since 1998 and are a bonafide contender in the MWC for 2006.He picked us to tie BYU for third place in the conference. The guy hasn't missed that badly since but often overrates us and almost never underrates us. Phil may have been right about the first part..... "Chuck Long steps into a good situation inheriting an underperforming team that is the 3rd most experienced in the MWC" but he must have not anticipated the depths of Longs genius. I really (seriously) do not want to get this argument going again, but it must also be said that Phil S did not anticipate that the Aztecs would suffer 17 surgeries in 2006. Chuck Long was absolutely NOT the right hire following Tom Craft. Having said that, though, it is also quite true that Long might well have turned in a better record had his team suffered many fewer injuries. 2007 was better in that regard, but 2008 had quite a number of serious injuries, as I recall. That can be devastating to a team trying to build depth after many years of mediocre recruiting. Had he been hired at a school not working on a long string of losing seasons, Chuck Long might now be considered a successful head coach. Anti-Long Aztec fans seem to believe that he was the worst coach ever to step onto a practice field with a clipboard and whistle. Chuck is not a great coach, especially a great head coach. Still, I wonder how any coach could have gotten his team past all those injuries in 2006. 2007 came within a K.O. fumble of finishing a somewhat respectable 5-7. 2008 was a disaster, but if the Cal Poly game of that year were replayed 10 times, I say we win 8 of 10. And a bit of luck against Notre Dame would have been a big boost. Chuck Long was probably not going to be a big success here under any circumstances. Still, with luck more on his side, he might have finished perhaps 13-23 instead of 9-27. Bad, but certainly better than what actually happened. Moral for college football fans: Luck and circumstance have more to do with a coach's success or failure than we often are willing to admit. (Example to support my point. If Ryan Lindley goes down for the season in game two, and the Aztecs finish 3-9, will that mean that Brady Hoke is suddenly a lousy coach?) |
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 12, 2010 12:48:39 GMT -8
TRUNKS ON........DIVING INTO KOOL-AID TANK!!!!
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 12, 2010 13:11:36 GMT -8
Phil may have been right about the first part..... "Chuck Long steps into a good situation inheriting an underperforming team that is the 3rd most experienced in the MWC" but he must have not anticipated the depths of Longs genius. I really (seriously) do not want to get this argument going again, but it must also be said that Phil S did not anticipate that the Aztecs would suffer 17 surgeries in 2006. Chuck Long was absolutely NOT the right hire following Tom Craft. Having said that, though, it is also quite true that Long might well have turned in a better record had his team suffered many fewer injuries. 2007 was better in that regard, but 2008 had quite a number of serious injuries, as I recall. That can be devastating to a team trying to build depth after many years of mediocre recruiting. Had he been hired at a school not working on a long string of losing seasons, Chuck Long might now be considered a successful head coach. Anti-Long Aztec fans seem to believe that he was the worst coach ever to step onto a practice field with a clipboard and whistle. Chuck is not a great coach, especially a great head coach. Still, I wonder how any coach could have gotten his team past all those injuries in 2006. 2007 came within a K.O. fumble of finishing a somewhat respectable 5-7. 2008 was a disaster, but if the Cal Poly game of that year were replayed 10 times, I say we win 8 of 10. And a bit of luck against Notre Dame would have been a big boost. Chuck Long was probably not going to be a big success here under any circumstances. Still, with luck more on his side, he might have finished perhaps 13-23 instead of 9-27. Bad, but certainly better than what actually happened. Moral for college football fans: Luck and circumstance have more to do with a coach's success or failure than we often are willing to admit. (Example to support my point. If Ryan Lindley goes down for the season in game two, and the Aztecs finish 3-9, will that mean that Brady Hoke is suddenly a lousy coach?) Go back and look at the 2006 roster and then then let me know how State was so talent deficient that we posted 3 wins for the year even with the injuries. There may be 8 players in the NFL this year off of that roster and they all did not fall over and die, so maybe just maybe the coaching was suspect. Injuries happen to every team every year. It is an excuse, one that we State fans love to sip on like my grandfather's cough syrup. You would think that Cal Poly of 2006 were Sugar Bowl Champs and we were Nichols State. |
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Post by lanceroten on Aug 12, 2010 13:21:23 GMT -8
I like Phil Steele and i'm stuck over here on the east coast but looking back over his mags for about a decade he does seem to overrate the Aztecs quite a bit. I hope he's right this time. I mean, every year at this time i'll start talking junk around here about San Diego State finally breaking through. Let it be!!! Please!!! I want to be right!!! lol
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Post by TruAztec on Aug 12, 2010 13:23:15 GMT -8
PS always over-rates us. I have his mags going back to '98 and I don't recall a year in which we performed significatly better than he predicted. How could we have performed significantly better than anyone predicted? We have been horrible. All you can do is overrate us. Hope that starts to change this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 13:28:28 GMT -8
From Phil Steele in 2006: Chuck Long steps into a good situation inheriting an underperforming team that is the 3rd most experienced in the MWC . . . San Diego St will have their first winning season since 1998 and are a bonafide contender in the MWC for 2006.He picked us to tie BYU for third place in the conference. The guy hasn't missed that badly since but often overrates us and almost never underrates us. Weren't we on his most improved list last year too? He overvalues us nearly every year We weren't on his most improved list in 2009. Indeed, he had the Aztecs as the 110th best team of the 120 in the FBS and finishing tied for sixth in the conference so he pretty much pegged us dead on last year. He similarly hit the nail on the head in 2008, picking us #109 and predicting an eighth place MWC finish. (We were eighth by a tie-breaker over Wyoming, which was our only conference win that season.) Further he underrated us at bit in 2007, saying we would be the 94th best team in the country. That's very bad, of course, but we did manage to win four games and finish sixth in the conference that year. Bottom line is Steele obviously learned his lesson about us in 2005 (when he similarly picked us for third and predicted we would go bowling) and then again in 2006 and has been pretty conservative in rating us ever since. |
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Post by fowl on Aug 12, 2010 13:56:49 GMT -8
PS always over-rates us. I have his mags going back to '98 and I don't recall a year in which we performed significatly better than he predicted. How could we have performed significantly better than anyone predicted? We have been horrible. All you can do is overrate us. Hope that starts to change this year. True. However he never picked us to finish last or even next to last. |
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Post by aztech on Aug 12, 2010 14:52:22 GMT -8
Bottom line is Steele obviously learned his lesson about us in 2005 (when he similarly picked us for third and predicted we would go bowling) and then again in 2006 and has been pretty conservative in rating us ever since. I could see his overestimation though. Consider these reasons from those back to back years that fooled him, and many of us. After Craft went 6-6 in 2004, there were positive vibes for the 2005 season. Hell even Kirk Morrison thought as well when he decided to stay for his senior year. So in comes Long in 2006 as our most highly paid coach ever. So he must be good, right? He had that "pedigree" and nobody knew he was that bad, from the beginning. Few doubted, but nobody really knew. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 15:13:34 GMT -8
aztech -
Morrison's senior year was actually 2004. However, just look at all the talent we were expected to have in 2005:
QB: O'Connell (soph.)
Tailback: Lynell (after sitting out 2004 with injury)
Fullback: Brandon Bornes (611 yards and 4.3 ypc in 2004)
Wide Receivers: Jeff Webb (71 catches), Robert Ortiz (52) and Freshman DeMarco Sampson
TE: Lance Louis (Phil Steele #35 at that position)
O-linemen: Jasper Harvey, Brandon Dombrowski, Taylor Schmidt, Mike Kravetz and Chris Pino (Steele's #11 JC O-lineman)
Kicker: Garrett Palmer
Punter: Michael Hughes
DEs: Antwan Applewhite and Nicholas Osborn
DTs: Jonathan Bailes and Dallas Mauga (Steele's #2 JC D-lineman)
LBs: Andrew Schantz/Joe Martin, Freddie Keiaho, Brett Martin (all Rivals 3 stars when that meant a lot more)
CBs: Donny Baker and Jacob Elimimian
Safeties: Reggie Grisby and Marcus Demps
Granted, we beat both BYU and Utah that year but each finished just 6-5 on the season. More significantly, with all that talent, we lost to 6-5 UNM at Qualcomm (Rocky thought Craft was a joke), 5-7 Hawaii and 2-9 UNLV and finished 5-7 ourselves. The UNLV loss was particularly inexcusable since in the other 10 games the Rebels played, they gave up an average of 38 ppg, with a low of 22. However, Air Craft put up a whopping 10 and lost 13-10 to "Don't Call Me Fred" Sanford. Had we won that one, we would have finished fourth in the conference and been bowl eligible at 6-6.
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Post by aztech on Aug 12, 2010 15:35:51 GMT -8
aztech - Morrison's senior year was actually 2004. However, just look at all the talent we were expected to have in 2005: QB: O'Connell (soph.) Tailback: Lynell (after sitting out 2004 with injury) Fullback: Brandon Bornes (611 yards and 4.3 ypc in 2004) Wide Receivers: Jeff Webb (71 catches), Robert Ortiz (52) and Freshman DeMarco Sampson TE: Lance Louis (Phil Steele #35 at that position) O-linemen: Jasper Harvey, Brandon Dombrowski, Taylor Schmidt, Mike Kravetz and Chris Pino (Steele's #11 JC O-lineman) Kicker: Garrett Palmer Punter: Michael Hughes DEs: Antwan Applewhite and Nicholas Osborn DTs: Jonathan Bailes and Dallas Mauga (Steele's #2 JC D-lineman) LBs: Andrew Schantz/Joe Martin, Freddie Keiaho, Brett Martin (all Rivals 3 stars when that meant a lot more) CBs: Donny Baker and Jacob Elimimian Safeties: Reggie Grisby and Marcus Demps Granted, we beat both BYU and Utah that year but each finished just 6-5 on the season. More significantly, with all that talent, we lost to 6-5 UNM at Qualcomm (Rocky thought Craft was a joke), 5-7 Hawaii and 2-9 UNLV and finished 5-7 ourselves. The UNLV loss was particularly inexcusable since in the other 10 games the Rebels played, they gave up an average of 38 ppg, with a low of 22. However, Air Craft put up a whopping 10 and lost 13-10 to "Don't Call Me Fred" Sanford. Had we won that one, we would have finished fourth in the conference and been bowl eligible at 6-6. Did the drinking issue come up before that slide? |
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