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Post by aztecwin on Jul 26, 2010 16:10:18 GMT -8
If it wasn't for the Dot.com boom, no war and a majority republican congress, there would have been no surplus. Clinton was just f**kin lucky. As it is , those surplus funds are the taxpayer's money, not governments. So to me the tax cuts were fair and a way to pay back our money thru govt. credits.. I simply believe in way less taxation and way small government. The real cancer in this country is the culture of entitlements and the federal govt. knows what's best for me. bull$#!+. There isn't a program government touches that turns to $#!+ thru waste and corruption. And what makes this worse is there is no accountability for such waste and corruption. No jail time for these clowns. I don't have the statistics with me, but it is amazing all the categories of taxes the American public pays.............for $#!+. Yeah, and then there are the elitist c**cks***ers who always say they are doin' it for the "workin' man"... Demagogue Party. What a joke. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100723/ap_on_el_se/us_kerry_yacht Under similar circumstances, I would do the same as Kerry. The difference is I would not be acting hypocritical about it. I abhor that kind of taxation. |
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Post by tuff on Jul 26, 2010 16:12:42 GMT -8
Look at those clowns in the City of Bell. Magnify this to a lot of the state and federal government entitlements. Astounding.
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Post by davdesid on Jul 26, 2010 16:38:04 GMT -8
Under similar circumstances, I would do the same as Kerry. The difference is I would not be acting hypocritical about it. I abhor that kind of taxation. Yewbetcha. As long as it is other people's money, confiscated and spent by gummint, Lurch is fine with it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zISKoQegbxM |
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Post by Yoda on Jul 26, 2010 17:00:55 GMT -8
If it wasn't for the Dot.com boom, no war and a majority republican congress, there would have been no surplus. Clinton was just f**kin lucky.
What a load of crap. No war, I'll grant you. But don't give the republicans any more credit for frugality than the democrats. As they say, we don't have a revenue problem in Washington; we have a spending problem. That is the one single issue on which the parties have been able to unite -- and ignore.
I don't think that the dot.com boom added that much to the economy. But even if it did, you forget also about the Savings and Loan bailout that Clinton inherited. My point is, all administrations face problems that others don't and all avoid some as well.
As it is , those surplus funds are the taxpayer's money, not governments. So to me the tax cuts were fair and a way to pay back our money thru govt. credits.
Not exactly. They were surplus for that year -- but they don't belong to the taxpayers. No government money belongs to the taxpayers until such time as the tens of trillions of dollars of debt are paid back and unfunded federal liabilities are, in fact, funded. Your position is akin to my saying that my raise belongs to me -- when I have $100,000 in credit card debt. Nothing belongs to you until you are debt free.
I simply believe in way less taxation and way small government.
So do I. But more than that, I believe in a debt free government.
The real cancer in this country is the culture of entitlements and the federal govt. knows what's best for me. bull$#!+.
The right loves to talk about the entitlements that the poor get. The problem is, only about 16% of federal entitlements are means tested -- meaning that 84% of all entitlement spending -- broadly defined -- is directed to the middle and upper class.
You're entitled to your home mortgage deduction, right? It is nothing more than a form of welfare that goes to homeowners but not to those too poor to afford their own homes. Oddly, the right never bitches about the 84% of entitlements that goes to their own demographic -- just about the 16% that goes to the poor. Go figure.
If you want to know something about entitlements -- something beyond the BS that the partisans on both sides of the equation feed you, read two books by Peter Peterson:
# On Borrowed Time: How the Growth in Entitlement Spending Threatens America's Future with Neil Howe. Transaction Publishers (May 1, 2004). ISBN 978-0765805751
# Running on Empty: How the Democratic and Republican Parties Are Bankrupting Our Future and What Americans Can Do About It. Picador (June 16, 2005). ISBN 978-0312424626
There isn't a program government touches that turns to $#!+ thru waste and corruption. And what makes this worse is there is no accountability for such waste and corruption. No jail time for these clowns. I don't have the statistics with me, but it is amazing all the categories of taxes the American public pays.............for $#!+.
You do an amazing disservice to the millions of federal workers who do work hard. To be sure, there is waste and there is corruption. But the dirty little secret is that inefficiency isn't limited to the government. Human beings aren't always very efficient. They aren't always very good managers. I'm not convinced that the government is any less efficient than is private enterprise. It's just not as visible. But the taxpayers pay for it either way -- be it through their taxes or through higher prices.
Yoda out...
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Post by tuff on Jul 26, 2010 17:18:13 GMT -8
If it wasn't for the Dot.com boom, no war and a majority republican congress, there would have been no surplus. Clinton was just f**kin lucky. What a load of crap. No war, I'll grant you. But don't give the republicans any more credit for frugality than the democrats. As they say, we don't have a revenue problem in Washington; we have a spending problem. That is the one single issue on which the parties have been able to unite -- and ignore. I don't think that the dot.com boom added that much to the economy. But even if it did, you forget also about the Savings and Loan bailout that Clinton inherited. My point is, all administrations face problems that others don't and all avoid some as well. As it is , those surplus funds are the taxpayer's money, not governments. So to me the tax cuts were fair and a way to pay back our money thru govt. credits.Not exactly. They were surplus for that year -- but they don't belong to the taxpayers. No government money belongs to the taxpayers until such time as the tens of trillions of dollars of debt are paid back and unfunded federal liabilities are, in fact, funded. Your position is akin to my saying that my raise belongs to me -- when I have $100,000 in credit card debt. Nothing belongs to you until you are debt free. I simply believe in way less taxation and way small government. So do I. But more than that, I believe in a debt free government. The real cancer in this country is the culture of entitlements and the federal govt. knows what's best for me. bull$#!+.The right loves to talk about the entitlements that the poor get. The problem is, only about 16% of federal entitlements are means tested -- meaning that 84% of all entitlement spending -- broadly defined -- is directed to the middle and upper class. You're entitled to your home mortgage deduction, right? It is nothing more than a form of welfare that goes to homeowners but not to those too poor to afford their own homes. Oddly, the right never bitches about the 84% of entitlements that goes to their own demographic -- just about the 16% that goes to the poor. Go figure. If you want to know something about entitlements -- something beyond the BS that the partisans on both sides of the equation feed you, read two books by Peter Peterson: # On Borrowed Time: How the Growth in Entitlement Spending Threatens America's Future with Neil Howe. Transaction Publishers (May 1, 2004). ISBN 978-0765805751 # Running on Empty: How the Democratic and Republican Parties Are Bankrupting Our Future and What Americans Can Do About It. Picador (June 16, 2005). ISBN 978-0312424626 There isn't a program government touches that turns to $#!+ thru waste and corruption. And what makes this worse is there is no accountability for such waste and corruption. No jail time for these clowns. I don't have the statistics with me, but it is amazing all the categories of taxes the American public pays.............for $#!+.You do an amazing disservice to the millions of federal workers who do work hard. To be sure, there is waste and there is corruption. But the dirty little secret is that inefficiency isn't limited to the government. Human beings aren't always very efficient. They aren't always very good managers. I'm not convinced that the government is any less efficient than is private enterprise. It's just not as visible. But the taxpayers pay for it either way -- be it through their taxes or through higher prices. Yoda out... I agree about a debt free country. But why do we keep electing officials that keep ADDING on more debt to the deficit we have already?There is not a country in the history of mankind that tax and spent it's way into prosperity. And why does a John Kerry or a GW Bush get these fat cat pensions when they are already wealthy. They don't need it, but a whole lot of other LEGAL citizens do. |
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Post by sdtosf on Jul 26, 2010 22:16:11 GMT -8
You are full of Crap
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 26, 2010 22:19:07 GMT -8
Flesh that out a little. He might have been a little short with his reply to Yoda, but you should be able to come up with a reply with a little more meat.  |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 26, 2010 22:27:52 GMT -8
If it wasn't for the Dot.com boom, no war and a majority republican congress, there would have been no surplus. Clinton was just f**kin lucky. What a load of crap. No war, I'll grant you. But don't give the republicans any more credit for frugality than the democrats. As they say, we don't have a revenue problem in Washington; we have a spending problem. That is the one single issue on which the parties have been able to unite -- and ignore. I don't think that the dot.com boom added that much to the economy. But even if it did, you forget also about the Savings and Loan bailout that Clinton inherited. My point is, all administrations face problems that others don't and all avoid some as well. As it is , those surplus funds are the taxpayer's money, not governments. So to me the tax cuts were fair and a way to pay back our money thru govt. credits.Not exactly. They were surplus for that year -- but they don't belong to the taxpayers. No government money belongs to the taxpayers until such time as the tens of trillions of dollars of debt are paid back and unfunded federal liabilities are, in fact, funded. Your position is akin to my saying that my raise belongs to me -- when I have $100,000 in credit card debt. Nothing belongs to you until you are debt free. I simply believe in way less taxation and way small government. So do I. But more than that, I believe in a debt free government. The real cancer in this country is the culture of entitlements and the federal govt. knows what's best for me. bull$#!+.The right loves to talk about the entitlements that the poor get. The problem is, only about 16% of federal entitlements are means tested -- meaning that 84% of all entitlement spending -- broadly defined -- is directed to the middle and upper class. You're entitled to your home mortgage deduction, right? It is nothing more than a form of welfare that goes to homeowners but not to those too poor to afford their own homes. Oddly, the right never bitches about the 84% of entitlements that goes to their own demographic -- just about the 16% that goes to the poor. Go figure. If you want to know something about entitlements -- something beyond the BS that the partisans on both sides of the equation feed you, read two books by Peter Peterson: # On Borrowed Time: How the Growth in Entitlement Spending Threatens America's Future with Neil Howe. Transaction Publishers (May 1, 2004). ISBN 978-0765805751 # Running on Empty: How the Democratic and Republican Parties Are Bankrupting Our Future and What Americans Can Do About It. Picador (June 16, 2005). ISBN 978-0312424626 There isn't a program government touches that turns to $#!+ thru waste and corruption. And what makes this worse is there is no accountability for such waste and corruption. No jail time for these clowns. I don't have the statistics with me, but it is amazing all the categories of taxes the American public pays.............for $#!+.You do an amazing disservice to the millions of federal workers who do work hard. To be sure, there is waste and there is corruption. But the dirty little secret is that inefficiency isn't limited to the government. Human beings aren't always very efficient. They aren't always very good managers. I'm not convinced that the government is any less efficient than is private enterprise. It's just not as visible. But the taxpayers pay for it either way -- be it through their taxes or through higher prices. Yoda out... We can all make good cases for what we believe in and how we think events played out. I would just be repeating myself by restating how I feel about it and quote references. One thing we can agree is your idea that there are some very good people working in government, but there are huge inefficiencies built into the system. The private side has some of those problems as well. We must get a handle on spending and recognize that the current path is unsustainable for very long. What we need is a Dot.com or housing boom type economy built on solid ground coupled with tax incentives to get us out of this current mess. A start would be to just say no to things that harm the economy like Cap and Tax and the Stimulus that did not stimulate. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 27, 2010 13:15:06 GMT -8
It is ironic to hear the double retired federal government worker chiding the small business owner about what small business needs.  and retired small businessman. It may be ironic to you, but it is almost beyond belief that Yoda can be so misguided and uninformed. Do you mean the vending machines you and a friend owned? |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jul 27, 2010 14:58:13 GMT -8
and retired small businessman. It may be ironic to you, but it is almost beyond belief that Yoda can be so misguided and uninformed. Do you mean the vending machines you and a friend owned? Maybe Amway. ;D |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 27, 2010 15:45:30 GMT -8
and retired small businessman. It may be ironic to you, but it is almost beyond belief that Yoda can be so misguided and uninformed. Do you mean the vending machines you and a friend owned? Of course you would not know the difference between a few stamp or candy machines and a full service vending company! |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 27, 2010 15:51:57 GMT -8
Do you mean the vending machines you and a friend owned? Maybe Amway. ;D I am not a fan of Amway, but are you aware that there are thousands of folks in Herbalife, Melaleuca, Nu-Skin, Diana and similar business models that make over 100K per month? I am not one, but I know the business of network marketing can be huge for the right kind of person. If you are being cute or disparaging about network marketing, it is from ignorance!  |
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Post by davdesid on Jul 27, 2010 16:29:31 GMT -8
I am not a fan of Amway, but are you aware that there are thousands of folks in Herbalife, Mellaluca, Nu-Skin, Diana and similar business models that make over 100K per month? I am not one, but I know the business of network marketing can be huge for the right kind of person. If you are being cute or disparaging about network marketing, it is from ignorance! 100K per month? Maybe Barney ought to know about that. He'll fight for dollar! www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/sorry_barney_no_discount_BSco6dW9b1VTgrL7GcCFrNAs with Jean Fraud Kerrie, taxes and fees are for the little people.... doncha know? Heh. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 27, 2010 20:21:34 GMT -8
Do you mean the vending machines you and a friend owned? Of course you would not know the difference between a few stamp or candy machines and a full service vending company! Is that your answer? |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 28, 2010 7:39:50 GMT -8
Of course you would not know the difference between a few stamp or candy machines and a full service vending company! Is that your answer? We need a hell of a lot more food stamps and welfare support, or vending machines will be attacked to provide support for the masses. Hard times are coming. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jul 28, 2010 9:27:04 GMT -8
I am not a fan of Amway, but are you aware that there are thousands of folks in Herbalife, Melaleuca, Nu-Skin, Diana and similar business models that make over 100K per month? I am not one, but I know the business of network marketing can be huge for the right kind of person. If you are being cute or disparaging about network marketing, it is from ignorance! Network Marketing = Ponzi Scheme. Only the first few make any money. I have a real bad taste in my mouth regarding 'Network Marketing'. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 28, 2010 12:09:29 GMT -8
Of course you would not know the difference between a few stamp or candy machines and a full service vending company! Is that your answer? If you are going to troll, don't do it in a way that shows your ignorance! |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 28, 2010 12:13:41 GMT -8
I am not a fan of Amway, but are you aware that there are thousands of folks in Herbalife, Melaleuca, Nu-Skin, Diana and similar business models that make over 100K per month? I am not one, but I know the business of network marketing can be huge for the right kind of person. If you are being cute or disparaging about network marketing, it is from ignorance! Network Marketing = Ponzi Scheme. Only the first few make any money. I have a real bad taste in my mouth regarding 'Network Marketing'. Well designed programs can make you a lt of money, but it is not without a lot of hard work. I am not into it, but I know how it can work for you. I also have seen a lot of failure mostly due to badly designed programs or people not willing to work at it. What caued your bad taste? |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 28, 2010 12:41:13 GMT -8
If you are going to troll, don't do it in a way that shows your ignorance! Troll? Not at all. I am simply trying to understand what you did as a small businessman, and why you left private enterprise to become a federal civil servant. I will save the troll for later. ;D |
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 28, 2010 12:58:43 GMT -8
If you are going to troll, don't do it in a way that shows your ignorance! Troll? Not at all. I am simply trying to understand what you did as a small businessman, and why you left private enterprise to become a federal civil servant. I will save the troll for later. ;D I have explained it so many times that i get tired of it. We were given a offered that was to good to pass up. I got tired of following the Aztecs around the country for a year and went back to work doing something that I enjoyed. Simple as that. By comparison, I never made beans in he Navy or in Civil Service even the last few years at high grades, but I had a lot of fun at it and lots of satisfaction. |
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