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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 21, 2010 13:56:54 GMT -8
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jul 21, 2010 16:13:55 GMT -8
Quinnipiac and seven other schools recently formed a governing body, the National Competitive Stunts and Tumbling Association, to govern and develop competitive cheer as a sport.
This is a very good idea, but I do agree that the judge is full of it.
=Bob
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 21, 2010 17:48:00 GMT -8
I'm not sure that it's a sport, but competitive cheerleading is as much a sport as auto racing, horse racing and fishing if not more.
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Post by jdaztec on Jul 21, 2010 18:01:34 GMT -8
What a bad ruling.. they practice regularly, they are excellent athletes and they go to competitions. It should count per title IX.
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Post by Frantic on Jul 21, 2010 18:24:57 GMT -8
Yes sir, on many levels. One is that Title IX is being used to tell women cheerleaders they are not a sport, they can't get scholarships, and school will now likely shut the entire program down as a result. It's almost as priceless as the former Point Loma softball player who decided to try and be a do-gooder. And in other news, the NCAA sanctions women's bowling as a scholarship sport. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 18:41:50 GMT -8
Here's the link to the Penn and Teller bull$#!+ episode that addresses the issue as well as I've ever seen it addressed. NSFW
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Post by sandiegoeric on Jul 21, 2010 19:02:46 GMT -8
I agree, Cheer leading is not a sport. They are merely a sycronized gymnastics act. If cheer is a sport, then so is color guard and hip hop dance. These women practice their skills, work out to improve their skills and make every effort to be the best at what they do. That doesn't make it a sport. Any event where the sole outcome is decided by people watching (i.e. judges) is not a sport. Sports are decided on the field of play. |
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Post by Spud on Jul 21, 2010 19:34:20 GMT -8
Here's the link to the Penn and Teller bull$#!+ episode that addresses the issue as well as I've ever seen it addressed. NSFW Either you didn't put the link in, or it got moderated... |
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Post by gettough on Jul 21, 2010 20:02:22 GMT -8
I agree, Cheer leading is not a sport. They are merely a sycronized gymnastics act. If cheer is a sport, then so is color guard and hip hop dance. These women practice their skills, work out to improve their skills and make every effort to be the best at what they do. That doesn't make it a sport. Any event where the sole outcome is decided by people watching (i.e. judges) is not a sport. Sports are decided on the field of play. That rules out surfing, snowboarding, gymnastics, diving, tons of "judged" sports in the Olympics. Not that I disagree with the premise, but do we just call these other things competitions? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 20:08:04 GMT -8
Here's the link to the Penn and Teller bull$#!+ episode that addresses the issue as well as I've ever seen it addressed. NSFW Either you didn't put the link in, or it got moderated... Click on "Here's" |
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Post by Zuma on Jul 21, 2010 20:13:13 GMT -8
from dictionary.com:
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
3. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
Per Merriam-Webster
physical activity engaged in for pleasure
Based on these three definitions, competitive cheerleading is in fact a sport. At least in the same way that Gymnastics, Figure Skating, Boxing (when not fought to a knockout), Diving, ski jumping (distance isn't the only thing that matters), Moguls, everything in the x-games, and a few others are. Most of these are in the Olympics.
Now would I rather all sanctioned NCAA sports be strictly based on head to head, non-judged competitions? Yes, but based on the actual (not opinionated) definition of the word, sport SHOULD include Competitive Cheer...at least if they are able to get an actual ruling body that governs the rules.
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Post by Zuma on Jul 21, 2010 20:18:26 GMT -8
and it is WAY more of a sport than poker and spelling bee, which HAVE actual winners and losers, and are played on the sports channel
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Post by Frantic on Jul 21, 2010 20:59:06 GMT -8
Any event where the sole outcome is decided by people watching (i.e. judges) is not a sport. Sports are decided on the field of play. So Olympic ice curling is a sport, but professional boxing isn't - at least anytime it goes to the scorecard? Neither is Olympic diving, swimming or half-pipe snowboarding? But that's not the point. The point is that a "scholarship sport" is what the NCAA says it is. In Div. II a woman can get a scholarship for such sports as: Bowling Badminton Handball Synchronized swimming Diving It's just darn funny that women's groups are suing to deprive women of scholarships and, in the process, it results in women losing their ability to participate in their sport altogether - presumably for the greater good of women in general as decided by the women's groups themselves. Oh well, it's probably a good thing the cheerleaders start learning how to cook and clean earlier rather than later.  |
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Post by RB Aztec on Jul 21, 2010 21:55:22 GMT -8
They need to change the name from "Cheer Leading" if they really want it to be a sport. The name implies that you are leading cheers for sports team, which in fact is what it primarily is.
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Post by ramrodd23 on Jul 22, 2010 6:29:48 GMT -8
These women practice their skills, work out to improve their skills and make every effort to be the best at what they do. That doesn't make it a sport. Any event where the sole outcome is decided by people watching (i.e. judges) is not a sport. Sports are decided on the field of play. You are so wrong. Next time think before you post. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 8:40:41 GMT -8
These women practice their skills, work out to improve their skills and make every effort to be the best at what they do. That doesn't make it a sport. Any event where the sole outcome is decided by people watching (i.e. judges) is not a sport. Sports are decided on the field of play. You are so wrong. Yes, as suggested by several subsequent posts, he is. However, RB is correct the name needs to be changed if they want it to be considered a sport. I don't think anything which is never done competitively is truly a sport and I think most people would agree. So since "cheerleading" was historically just rah-rahing in support of somebody else who was participating in a sport, the connotation is that "cheerleading" isn't a sport. Change the name and have the participants judged by others for their performance and it becomes a sport in that sense. Or maybe if they put padding on the participants like Penn & Teller suggest, the "buttloads" of cheerleaders would be viewed as participating in a true sport. |
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Post by Fred Noonan on Jul 22, 2010 10:16:06 GMT -8
"Competitive cheer may, some time in the future, qualify as a sport under Title IX," Underhill wrote. "Today, however, the activity is still too underdeveloped and disorganized to be treated as offering genuine varsity athletic participation opportunities for students." That's all the article says, and it would seem that the Judge is simply saying its too disorganized at the present to qualify. So, what's the problem here, everyone adamantly arguing it "is" or "is not" a sport and the Judge is "full of it." Title IX has to do with competitive sports, not every single activity that may involve coordination of muscles and training. Don't get the argument here. A disorganized group of people participating in an activity do not always constitute a competitive sport for purposes of Title IX. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.  |
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 22, 2010 11:37:47 GMT -8
"Competitive cheer may, some time in the future, qualify as a sport under Title IX," Underhill wrote. "Today, however, the activity is still too underdeveloped and disorganized to be treated as offering genuine varsity athletic participation opportunities for students." That's all the article says, and it would seem that the Judge is simply saying its too disorganized at the present to qualify. So, what's the problem here, everyone adamantly arguing it "is" or "is not" a sport and the Judge is "full of it." Title IX has to do with competitive sports, not every single activity that may involve coordination of muscles and training. Don't get the argument here. A disorganized group of people participating in an activity do not always constitute a competitive sport for purposes of Title IX. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation. 8-/quote]To have Title IX be in play will they ban males from cheer squads or have separate teams? |
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Post by Pssst13 on Jul 22, 2010 11:54:56 GMT -8
If you are one that says cheerleading is not a sport try this. Go play your favorite sport thing you do. Basketball, tennis, ping pong, football, football whatever sport it is for an hour. The next day go do cheerleading for an hour. I wonder if you still have the same opinion after.
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 22, 2010 12:07:29 GMT -8
If you are one that says cheerleading is not a sport try this. Go play your favorite sport thing you do. Basketball, tennis, ping pong, football, football whatever sport it is for an hour. The next day go do cheerleading for an hour. I wonder if you still have the same opinion after. Not to argue either way but digging ditch on a hot day may be harder than both of your suggestions but it doesn't make it a sport. I've never been sure what constitute a sport. If you watch ESPN a spelling bee is a sport? |
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