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Post by aztecfred on Jul 22, 2010 12:11:08 GMT -8
For Title IX come into play will than ban males or have separate teams?
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Post by Pssst13 on Jul 22, 2010 12:29:04 GMT -8
If you are one that says cheerleading is not a sport try this. Go play your favorite sport thing you do. Basketball, tennis, ping pong, football, football whatever sport it is for an hour. The next day go do cheerleading for an hour. I wonder if you still have the same opinion after. Not to argue either way but digging ditch on a hot day may be harder than both of your suggestions but it doesn't make it a sport. I've never been sure what constitute a sport. If you watch ESPN a spelling bee is a sport? If there is a contest between 2 people then digging would be a sport. Who says everything you see on ESPN is a sport? ESPN is not only a sport channel because they show movies as well. |
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 22, 2010 12:36:47 GMT -8
They show Cheerleading competition on it as well but does that make it a sport? I'm saying there is a difference between competition and and a sport, just not sure where the line is.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jul 22, 2010 18:15:59 GMT -8
Folks, if cheerleading is made a sport, it permits that many more compensatory scholarships for male athletes per Title IX. No brainer since it is already funded.
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Post by Fred Noonan on Jul 23, 2010 9:10:30 GMT -8
Folks, if cheerleading is made a sport, it permits that many more compensatory scholarships for male athletes per Title IX. No brainer since it is already funded. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that this was one of the underlying issues in the litigation. The argument would be that it is an effort to circumvent Title IX by funding an inexpensive "sport" like cheerleading for a competitive and thus more expensive NCAA sanctioned sport like volleyball. Leaving the ladies to traditional lady like and inexpensive participation. I can remember the discussion when Fred Miller was AD and CAL NOW was signed, as to how to go about meeting its requirements. That's when the decision to go with women's crew came into play. One of the points in its favor was they could maximize participation with very little investment in equipment while avoiding major travel committments as the water is only on two coasts and most of it is reachable by vehicular travel. His next plan was Archery, some bows, arrows and targets for cost. Cheerleading as a sport makes great sense from an administrative standpoint. You're already paying for it, it takes place pretty much on your home court/field and you can invest as many scholarships in it as you want. Sort of a cheap at half the price concept. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.  |
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Post by RB Aztec on Jul 23, 2010 11:33:56 GMT -8
Folks, if cheerleading is made a sport, it permits that many more compensatory scholarships for male athletes per Title IX. No brainer since it is already funded. Wow, good point...that would actually save some men's sports. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 23, 2010 11:36:10 GMT -8
If scholarships were given to cheerleaders what women's sport would be cut? Doesn't the university only fund the required schorarships per title 9? Does it matter? |
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Post by southbaysucker on Jul 23, 2010 18:38:52 GMT -8
Folks, if cheerleading is made a sport, it permits that many more compensatory scholarships for male athletes per Title IX. No brainer since it is already funded. great point that gets lost in this debate. Title IX needs is in dire need of revision. Its definitely needed for equality but in these economic times, there needs to be smarter strategies and answers to everything NCAA. This whole scholarship wieghting madness is the pits.. |
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Post by justafan on Jul 24, 2010 13:51:02 GMT -8
[Don't get the argument here. A disorganized group of people participating in an activity do not always constitute a competitive sport for purposes of Title IX. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation. [/quote] Fred. You just described Golf! |
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Post by sandiegoeric on Jul 24, 2010 14:03:17 GMT -8
I agree, Cheer leading is not a sport. They are merely a sycronized gymnastics act. If cheer is a sport, then so is color guard and hip hop dance. These women practice their skills, work out to improve their skills and make every effort to be the best at what they do. That doesn't make it a sport. Any event where the sole outcome is decided by people watching (i.e. judges) is not a sport. Sports are decided on the field of play. That rules out surfing, snowboarding, gymnastics, diving, tons of "judged" sports in the Olympics. Not that I disagree with the premise, but do we just call these other things competitions? Competition or exhibition. What ever floats their boat. |
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Post by sandiegoeric on Jul 24, 2010 14:07:23 GMT -8
These women practice their skills, work out to improve their skills and make every effort to be the best at what they do. That doesn't make it a sport. Any event where the sole outcome is decided by people watching (i.e. judges) is not a sport. Sports are decided on the field of play. You are so wrong. Next time think before you post. I do think before I post. I honestly believe cheer is not a sport. There is no competition for school spirit. Cheer would not exist if it weren't for football. It developed as a side show. |
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Post by zurac315 on Jul 24, 2010 20:55:46 GMT -8
I thought we just won the national cheerleading title last year.
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Post by gettough on Jul 24, 2010 21:09:53 GMT -8
You are so wrong. Next time think before you post. I do think before I post. I honestly believe cheer is not a sport. There is no competition for school spirit. Cheer would not exist if it weren't for football. It developed as a side showll. . And basketball was designed as a non-contact sport for girls. How a sport originates says very little about the current nature of competition. Competitive cheer is not so much about cheer as it is about gymnastics and dance. |
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Post by monty on Jul 25, 2010 6:50:11 GMT -8
I do think before I post. I honestly believe cheer is not a sport. There is no competition for school spirit. Cheer would not exist if it weren't for football. It developed as a side showll. . And basketball was designed as a non-contact sport for girls. How a sport originates says very little about the current nature of competition. Competitive cheer is not so much about cheer as it is about gymnastics and dance. If gymnastics is a sport, then cheerleading should be |
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Post by aztec70 on Jul 25, 2010 9:03:52 GMT -8
I do think before I post. I honestly believe cheer is not a sport. There is no competition for school spirit. Cheer would not exist if it weren't for football. It developed as a side showll. . And basketball was designed as a non-contact sport for girls. How a sport originates says very little about the current nature of competition. Competitive cheer is not so much about cheer as it is about gymnastics and dance. A non contact sport for girls? Not so. www.history-of-basketball.com/history.htm |
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Post by gettough on Jul 25, 2010 12:56:00 GMT -8
And basketball was designed as a non-contact sport for girls. How a sport originates says very little about the current nature of competition. Competitive cheer is not so much about cheer as it is about gymnastics and dance. A non contact sport for girls? Not so. www.history-of-basketball.com/history.htmWow! I stand corrected. I was just repeating what I learned in an SDSU recreation class nearly 30 years ago. My baaaad! |
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Post by Fred Noonan on Jul 25, 2010 17:15:03 GMT -8
[Don't get the argument here. A disorganized group of people participating in an activity do not always constitute a competitive sport for purposes of Title IX. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation. Fred. You just described Golf![/quote] Classic response! Golf. Go figure. Crack me up. I'd respond, but I'm not old enough yet to get into golf. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation. |
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Post by sandiegoeric on Jul 26, 2010 17:17:12 GMT -8
And basketball was designed as a non-contact sport for girls. How a sport originates says very little about the current nature of competition. Competitive cheer is not so much about cheer as it is about gymnastics and dance. If gymnastics is a sport, then cheerleading should be Gymnastics is not a sport, it is an exhibition. |
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Post by McQuervo on Jul 26, 2010 17:22:58 GMT -8
Every bit the Sport as is:
Poker
Dog Shows
Badmitten
Curling
Bowling
Neck Car Racing
Drag Racing
In fact I would argue vastly more of a sport than all of the above.
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