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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2010 7:24:28 GMT -8
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Post by texasaztec on Jul 14, 2010 7:53:20 GMT -8
I like the love! Athlon is correct in naming Hoke an excellent hire. I know many on the board have mentioned that they think Hoke will be snatched by a BCS school once the wins start pouring in, but is that really a foregone conclusion?
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:01:30 GMT -8
I like the love! Athlon is correct in naming Hoke an excellent hire. I know many on the board have mentioned that they think Hoke will be snatched by a BCS school once the wins start pouring in, but is that really a foregone conclusion? Assuming he is able to get things turned around, which I think he is on track to do, I would hope we are able to lock him down as it appears that Utah, BYU and TCU have done with Whit, Mendenhall and Patterson. My fear is that Rich Rod at Michigan continues to fall on his face and Hoke turns us from a SleepingGiant into a competitive program. I wonder if Michigan thinks about turning to a "Michigan Man" on their next hire? Has Harbaugh burnt his bridges there and is Hoke considered enough of a Michigan Man? I guess it will all shake out in the next few years. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 14, 2010 8:06:40 GMT -8
I like the love! Athlon is correct in naming Hoke an excellent hire. I know many on the board have mentioned that they think Hoke will be snatched by a BCS school once the wins start pouring in, but is that really a foregone conclusion? Assuming he is able to get things turned around, which I think he is on track to do, I would hope we are able to lock him down as it appears that Utah, BYU and TCU have done with Whit, Mendenhall and Patterson. My fear is that Rich Rod at Michigan continues to fall on his face and Hoke turns us from a SleepingGiant into a competitive program. I wonder if Michigan thinks about turning to a "Michigan Man" on their next hire? Has Harbaugh burnt his bridges there and is Hoke considered enough of a Michigan Man? I guess it will all shake out in the next few years. Lets hoke so DShaw. But remember for that to happen (us to lock up Brady), would require a commitment from San Diego State like we've never seen before. If we step up and make that financial commitment to someone like Hoke, we are finally on our way. If he turns it around here (which I also think he will), and we let him slip away....same old commitment we have seen for 20 years. |
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:20:43 GMT -8
Assuming he is able to get things turned around, which I think he is on track to do, I would hope we are able to lock him down as it appears that Utah, BYU and TCU have done with Whit, Mendenhall and Patterson. My fear is that Rich Rod at Michigan continues to fall on his face and Hoke turns us from a SleepingGiant into a competitive program. I wonder if Michigan thinks about turning to a "Michigan Man" on their next hire? Has Harbaugh burnt his bridges there and is Hoke considered enough of a Michigan Man? I guess it will all shake out in the next few years. Lets hoke so DShaw. But remember for that to happen (us to lock up Brady), would require a commitment from San Diego State like we've never seen before. If we step up and make that financial commitment to someone like Hoke, we are finally on our way. If he turns it around here (which I also think he will), and we let him slip away....same old commitment we have seen for 20 years. You are definitely correct Steve, but if you want a seat at the Big Boy table, you better start doing the sort of things that Utah, BYU and TCU have been doing. How long until Pres. Weber retires? I think he sees the big picture and understands the importance of a successful athletic program to the overall perception of the school. Hopefully, whoever follows Weber will have this same vision. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 14, 2010 8:31:34 GMT -8
Lets hoke so DShaw. But remember for that to happen (us to lock up Brady), would require a commitment from San Diego State like we've never seen before. If we step up and make that financial commitment to someone like Hoke, we are finally on our way. If he turns it around here (which I also think he will), and we let him slip away....same old commitment we have seen for 20 years. You are definitely correct Steve, but if you want a seat at the Big Boy table, you better start doing the sort of things that Utah, BYU and TCU have been doing. How long until Pres. Weber retires? I think he sees the big picture and understands the importance of a successful athletic program to the overall perception of the school. Hopefully, whoever follows Weber will have this same vision. Agree DShaw. I think Weber has 2 more years. IMO, the next President has to be even a bigger supporter of D1 than Dr. Weber has been (and I think Weber has done a pretty good job). We talk about the most important hires....The hiring of the next President of San Diego State University will determine where our sports programs are heading. |
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:38:25 GMT -8
Looking at the latest Director's Cup results it looks like the athletic department is starting to make some nice progress. I hope they (the school's administration) are determined to continue that trend. Sure would be nice to see us give BYU a run for its money for best overall department in the MWC.
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Post by Fred Noonan on Jul 14, 2010 9:17:18 GMT -8
Crack me up. We've had the "What happens when [insert former coaches name here] is taken by a BCS school after turning the program around?" debate for years now. And, we've just kept on losing and firing coaches. Not saying I don't think Brady's the man, as thus far I do. Just saying I've been reading these threads since the Tollner days. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.  |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 14, 2010 9:19:53 GMT -8
Hoke is about 52 years old. If Aztec football reaches .500 this year and follows that with 7-9 wins the two seasons after that, he would still be at or slightly under 55 years of age. That would be a good age to be hired by a BCS school. Such a school could reasonably expect Hoke to lead them for a decade (or perhaps more).
On the other hand, if it takes Hoke 5 years to reach a bowl, his age might start to be a factor working against him.
(I suspect that Jim Sweeney's age was a factor working against him when he was overlooked by SDSU after Scovil was fired following the 1985 season. As it turned out, that was a mistake. We hired Stolz while Sweeney kept winning at Fresno State for nearly a decade more.)
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Post by Old School on Jul 14, 2010 9:32:56 GMT -8
Money talks.
Oldie Out
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Post by aztech on Jul 14, 2010 10:18:50 GMT -8
Unless the MWC becomes an AQ conference we won't have the means to counteroffer a BCS school if they come knocking on our door.
However, by some miracle the stars just might align. Hoke gets us to a significant bowl in 2011 and the MWC gets AQ status before the 2012 season begins.
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Post by retiredaztec on Jul 14, 2010 11:11:21 GMT -8
I'm not sure I would agree with this, given last year's team performance, (especially those pesky last four games), modest statistical improvement aside. Let's hope after this year's team performance we 'll be able to say it was a good hire. Let's keep it real.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jul 14, 2010 11:21:20 GMT -8
Crack me up. We've had the "What happens when [insert former coaches name here] is taken by a BCS school after turning the program around?" debate for years now. And, we've just kept on losing and firing coaches. Not saying I don't think Brady's the man, as thus far I do. Just saying I've been reading these threads since the Tollner days. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation. And right you are, Fred! If Hoke was successful, we do not have the money here to effectively fight a bidding war with a school like Michigan. They claim to be champions of the West, because financially they own us. |
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Post by monty on Jul 14, 2010 11:26:21 GMT -8
you should end all your comments with - I think he's fat
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Post by k5james on Jul 14, 2010 11:28:38 GMT -8
you should end all your comments with - I think he's fat  Agreed. |
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Post by strasburger37 on Jul 14, 2010 11:48:51 GMT -8
I think it's about time Steve Fisher had a counterpart in football at SDSU that does well and decides to stay at State and see through what he starts. I think Hoke can be that guy.
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Post by Azthetic on Jul 14, 2010 14:17:31 GMT -8
If we win because of him, then people will rally. They've been sold the b.s. too many times and they won't get fooled again. They still have the expectations that just when the Aztecs are just about to do it and finally break through, there is some horrible turn of events that screws it all up. Winning will fix everything - alumni, students, community, money, administration, coaches salaries, etc.
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Post by monty on Jul 14, 2010 14:22:00 GMT -8
But remember for that to happen (us to lock up Brady), would require a commitment from San Diego State like we've never seen before. Actually it's more the alumni than the school itself. Exactly, the alumni pay the salary past the 180k administrator position the school pays. The alumni came up with 1.5 million to rid themselves of Long, I think they will step up and pay an extra 500 to 750k a year if it is warranted. |
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Post by aztech on Jul 14, 2010 14:27:08 GMT -8
Actually it's more the alumni than the school itself. Exactly, the alumni pay the salary past the 180k administrator position the school pays. The alumni came up with 1.5 million to rid themselves of Long, I think they will step up and pay an extra 500 to 750k a year if it is warranted. A good chunk is there. Not Michigan type numbers, but they were willing to pay for Chuck and Hoke simultaneously until Kansas got them off the hook. |
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Post by monty on Jul 14, 2010 14:29:22 GMT -8
Exactly, the alumni pay the salary past the 180k administrator position the school pays. The alumni came up with 1.5 million to rid themselves of Long, I think they will step up and pay an extra 500 to 750k a year if it is warranted. A good chunk is there. Not Michigan type numbers, but they were willing to pay for Chuck and Hoke simultaneously until Kansas got them off the hook. Yea, they were paying out something like 1.3 million last year, and about a million this year. We can get to 1.25 a year fairly easily if it is warranted, if we look like world beaters, maybe more. I'd love to have this problem. |
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Agreed.