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Post by AztecBill on Jul 8, 2010 14:12:07 GMT -8
*Duke, *Gonzaga, *Kansas State, *Marquette; Bucknell, Green Bay, IUPUI, James Madison, Miami (Ohio), Presbyterian, Princeton, San Diego State We play Gonzaga at Spokane, Wash on Nov 16 LinkI don't understand how Gonzaga gets two games at home and then there is more games elsewhere. If we win do we go elsewhere? The WEB Site says: Each institution will host two Regional Round games before heading to Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo., for the Championship Rounds on Nov. 22-23. It doesn't say the winner heads for KC. |
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Post by guest on Jul 8, 2010 14:18:45 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 8, 2010 14:23:45 GMT -8
I called ticketmaster and they said the event in KC would be Duke, Gonzaga, Kansas State, and Marquette.
How can they call that a Championship Round?
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Post by monty on Jul 8, 2010 14:35:58 GMT -8
Here is my major concern, there have been complaints about not getting home and homes, and even a resistance to working out say a 2 for 1, yet we're going to play 3 middle to bottom of the road teams in f'n Ohio to get one game?
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 8, 2010 15:00:51 GMT -8
Haven't we all been bitching for the coaching staff to strengthen the ooc and to take any game you can with a top team, even if it's a 1 game series at their place?
Would it be better if we turned down Gonzaga and others and instead stayed home and beat up on pt loma, uc davis and uc riverside by 30 pts each?
Other than the "Blue Hose" of Presbyterian .. a few of those teams are actually going to be pretty good and will win their conference, specifically Princeton, IUPUI, Green Bay and Miami (OH). These are veteren laden, mid major teams and provide a good test on a neutral court. This is also exactly what we a going to face in the ncaa's if we end up with a high seed (5 or lower).
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Post by monty on Jul 8, 2010 16:10:06 GMT -8
Haven't we all been bitching for the coaching staff to strengthen the ooc and to take any game you can with a top team, even if it's a 1 game series at their place? Would it be better if we turned down Gonzaga and others and instead stayed home and beat up on pt loma, uc davis and uc riverside by 30 pts each? Other than the "Blue Hose" of Presbyterian .. a few of those teams are actually going to be pretty good and will win their conference, specifically Princeton, IUPUI, Green Bay and Miami (OH). These are veteren laden, mid major teams and provide a good test on a neutral court. This is also exactly what we a going to face in the ncaa's if we end up with a high seed (5 or lower). I'm all for taking a game at someone's place, but not sure taking on 3 games and being the only team that has almost any travel is worth it. It is a good opportunity to play Gonzaga, but it is somewhat sad that we have to be coupled in the pre-determined loser brackets with some real mid-majors. Upgrading the schedule is great and needed, but we seriously have to go on the road for a month to do it and to get to play a legitemate opponent we have to go on the road and play 3 games in Ohio? I guess it quantifies that we are too good to take lightly, not good enough/marketable for a good team to want us. |
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Post by aztecandrew on Jul 8, 2010 16:23:04 GMT -8
This isn't even a tournament for the Aztecs. It is one game against Gonzaga. Even if we win against the Zags, we don't go any further. Gonzaga could lose both those games at home and they still get to go to the championship round.
It was set up as a "tournament" so that all these games for the big four teams here are only counted as one game towards the maximum number games they can play.
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Post by Village Aztec on Jul 8, 2010 16:49:16 GMT -8
The I want guys get to see how hard it is to get games.
It is not what you want, it is what you have to do to get a good game.
Those Committees and sports announcers can shoot their mouths off about having to schedule better teams, but they know we can't.
They never ask UCLA to schedule better home games.
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 8, 2010 16:57:49 GMT -8
This isn't even a tournament for the Aztecs. It is one game against Gonzaga. Even if we win against the Zags, we don't go any further. Gonzaga could lose both those games at home and they still get to go to the championship round. It was set up as a "tournament" so that all these games for the big four teams here are only counted as one game towards the maximum number games they can play. that theory works for us too. we are going to play a top 15 team on the road, and then 3 more decent mid majors on the road. the experience we gain from this will go a long way in march. the selection committee always wants to see teams that are battle tested and have proven they can win on road/neutral sites. don't forget ... we barely beat drake last year on the road in overtime, ..so this will be an opportunity for the team to prove they can win games they should, or lose focus and drop an ugly one (see wyoming 2009). |
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Post by aztecandrew on Jul 8, 2010 17:06:29 GMT -8
This isn't even a tournament for the Aztecs. It is one game against Gonzaga. Even if we win against the Zags, we don't go any further. Gonzaga could lose both those games at home and they still get to go to the championship round. It was set up as a "tournament" so that all these games for the big four teams here are only counted as one game towards the maximum number games they can play. that theory works for us too. we are going to play a top 15 team on the road, and then 3 more decent mid majors on the road. the experience we gain from this will go a long way in march. the selection committee always wants to see teams that are battle tested and have proven they can win on road/neutral sites. don't forget ... we barely beat drake last year on the road in overtime, ..so this will be an opportunity for the team to prove they can win games they should, or lose focus and drop an ugly one (see wyoming 2009). I totally agree that it's good for us too. We wouldn't have gotten this game without doing it this way. |
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Post by AztecTom on Jul 8, 2010 20:06:02 GMT -8
Here is my major concern, there have been complaints about not getting home and homes, and even a resistance to working out say a 2 for 1, yet we're going to play 3 middle to bottom of the road teams in f'n Ohio to get one game? What a f#cking joke! We should have one home game and one away game in this tournament. Seriously, WTF! This sounds like something Steve would put together.  |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 9, 2010 9:26:06 GMT -8
Espn agrees the setup for this tourney is bizarre and unfair to the little guy.... "It's a bummer for the little guys. If you're Princeton, and you just beat Duke, don't you want the thrill of taking your suddenly explosive upset potential to Kansas City, where you can test your mettle against other top teams?"
It's still a great matchup against Gonzaga and great experience vs teams on road/neutral courts. espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13140/revisiting-the-ever-weird-cbe-classic |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 9, 2010 9:35:11 GMT -8
Espn agrees the setup for this tourney is bizarre and unfair to the little guy.... "It's a bummer for the little guys. If you're Princeton, and you just beat Duke, don't you want the thrill of taking your suddenly explosive upset potential to Kansas City, where you can test your mettle against other top teams?"
It's still a great matchup against Gonzaga and great experience vs teams on road/neutral courts. espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13140/revisiting-the-ever-weird-cbe-classicThe ESPN article says, "If, Princteon beats Miami of Ohio in the first round". But it is stranger than they think. Princteon will not play Miami of Ohio in the first round. Both play Duke. There are no rounds. It is the home team getting two games from teams that are "allowed" to play in the next round of the tournament, against each other. Two of the teams get to host the next round. That is their incentive. What is the incentive for the rest (including the Aztecs)? 2 road games and 2 neutral site games. I would hope we played some hardball and got something schedule wise for next year. - A return game from Gonzaga
- Hosting the first round and going to KC next year.
- Hosting the second round next year.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 9, 2010 11:32:11 GMT -8
This is how you get a high seed in a tournament. You schedule strong mid-major, expected conference winners. It's not sexy, they aren't North Carolina or UCLA, but the boost to the RPI is pretty valuable.
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Post by monty on Jul 9, 2010 12:06:44 GMT -8
This is how you get a high seed in a tournament. You schedule strong mid-major, expected conference winners. It's not sexy, they aren't North Carolina or UCLA, but the boost to the RPI is pretty valuable. RPI has shown to be worthless - it might exclude, but it ain't going to include. Top 25 rankings don't matter much either. Tenn. vs. SDSU in the first round in the north east last year showed that. Beating Miami of Ohio is not going to get us a good seed or tip us over if we are on the bubble, but losing will look Horrid. |
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Post by pokinsky on Jul 9, 2010 12:25:57 GMT -8
This is how you get a high seed in a tournament. You schedule strong mid-major, expected conference winners. It's not sexy, they aren't North Carolina or UCLA, but the boost to the RPI is pretty valuable. RPI has shown to be worthless - it might exclude, but it ain't going to include. Top 25 rankings don't matter much either. Tenn. vs. SDSU in the first round in the north east last year showed that. Beating Miami of Ohio is not going to get us a good seed or tip us over if we are on the bubble, but losing will look Horrid. so what do you suggest ... scheduling cupcakes at home? this provides the team with the experience of going on the road and playing teams on neutral courts ... that's exactly what the selection wants to see from teams. It could also help with recruiting in the midwest and getting the SDSU name and recognition out there? I'm assuming we are also getting payed for these games which will lead to another travel game against a bigger team. Sitting around expecting teams to come to us is not working efficiently ... we need to play any team, anywhere. If Duke can lower themselves to playing Miami of Ohio on a neutral court ... I think we should be able to as well. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 9, 2010 12:31:00 GMT -8
RPI has shown to be worthless - it might exclude, but it ain't going to include. Top 25 rankings don't matter much either. Tenn. vs. SDSU in the first round in the north east last year showed that. Beating Miami of Ohio is not going to get us a good seed or tip us over if we are on the bubble, but losing will look Horrid. so what do you suggest ... scheduling cupcakes at home? this provides the team with the experience of going on the road and playing teams on neutral courts ... that's exactly what the selection wants to see from teams. It could also help with recruiting in the midwest and getting the SDSU name and recognition out there? I'm assuming we are also getting payed for these games which will lead to another travel game against a bigger team. Sitting around expecting teams to come to us is not working efficiently ... we need to play any team, anywhere. If Duke can lower themselves to playing Miami of Ohio on a neutral court ... I think we should be able to as well. Every team needs a couple of cupcakes at home. It is the perfect time to work on certain game plans and try different combos of players without jeopardizing your won/loss record. I'm not saying all cupcakes, but certainly a couple. |
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Post by monty on Jul 9, 2010 12:38:22 GMT -8
RPI has shown to be worthless - it might exclude, but it ain't going to include. Top 25 rankings don't matter much either. Tenn. vs. SDSU in the first round in the north east last year showed that. Beating Miami of Ohio is not going to get us a good seed or tip us over if we are on the bubble, but losing will look Horrid. so what do you suggest ... scheduling cupcakes at home? this provides the team with the experience of going on the road and playing teams on neutral courts ... that's exactly what the selection wants to see from teams. It could also help with recruiting in the midwest and getting the SDSU name and recognition out there? I'm assuming we are also getting payed for these games which will lead to another travel game against a bigger team. Sitting around expecting teams to come to us is not working efficiently ... we need to play any team, anywhere. If Duke can lower themselves to playing Miami of Ohio on a neutral court ... I think we should be able to as well. Balance. And so far we don't see much - we are on basically a barnstorming tour and are a huge disadvantage with our travel versus the other teams we'll have played. It will serve us very well provided we make it through in terms of being battle tested and we'll have a good resume. But we can't dillude ourselves that beating Miami and IUPUI is going to get us a solid seeding in the tourney - seeding favors the programs they want to favor and seems to follow no hard-fast metric -- we are not there. I am glad we are upgrading the schedule, I just question the smarts of being on the road for a month and having to play lower level teams to get the honor of playing Gonzaga. Perhaps there is quid pro quo or a fatty pay check that we're not privy to, but right now it seems like we've paid a lot and on top of that we're in the 'bracket buster' section. The only one of these 4 games that will help us is Gonzaga, the other 3 can only hurt us. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 9, 2010 12:45:27 GMT -8
Keep in mind that the schedule has not been completed for late December.
We always have a couple of cupcakes at that time.
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Post by DukeAztec on Jul 9, 2010 13:08:00 GMT -8
the way I see it from prior years. 4 teams host 2 games. those 4 automatically make it to the championship games. the other teams just play each other for playing a game. it doesnt matter who wins/loses in the regionals. the 4 host teams play for the championship.
i dont get it. is it really a tournament? but hey we are playing the Zags!!
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