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Post by haleiwaaztec on Jul 9, 2010 13:12:46 GMT -8
OK, here is my take on what I have read. Basically SDSU is getting to play national power Gonzaga at their place. It is chance for SDSU to get a 'huge' non-conference win or a 'quality' loss. No real downside to that, maybe it will be on ESPN as well.
Also, the non-big 4 teams in this tournament will somehow have smaller tournaments at James Madison or Miami (OH). See this quote
"Matchups, game times, and television details for the Championship Rounds at Sprint Center and the Subregional Rounds at James Madison and Miami (Ohio) will be announced at a later date."
Since we got previous info from the U-T that SDSU would be part of 4 team tournament at Miami (OH), it looks like SDSU, IUPUI, Miami (OH) & Princeton would be 'our' grouping.
Really, why are we complaining about this?
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 9, 2010 13:22:10 GMT -8
OK, here is my take on what I have read. Basically SDSU is getting to play national power Gonzaga at their place. It is chance for SDSU to get a 'huge' non-conference win or a 'quality' loss. No real downside to that, maybe it will be on ESPN as well. Also, the non-big 4 teams in this tournament will somehow have smaller tournaments at James Madison or Miami (OH). See this quote "Matchups, game times, and television details for the Championship Rounds at Sprint Center and the Subregional Rounds at James Madison and Miami (Ohio) will be announced at a later date." Since we got previous info from the U-T that SDSU would be part of 4 team tournament at Miami (OH), it looks like SDSU, IUPUI, Miami (OH) & Princeton would be 'our' grouping. Really, why are we complaining about this? Agree |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 9, 2010 14:00:20 GMT -8
OK, here is my take on what I have read. Basically SDSU is getting to play national power Gonzaga at their place. It is chance for SDSU to get a 'huge' non-conference win or a 'quality' loss. No real downside to that, maybe it will be on ESPN as well. Also, the non-big 4 teams in this tournament will somehow have smaller tournaments at James Madison or Miami (OH). See this quote "Matchups, game times, and television details for the Championship Rounds at Sprint Center and the Subregional Rounds at James Madison and Miami (Ohio) will be announced at a later date." Since we got previous info from the U-T that SDSU would be part of 4 team tournament at Miami (OH), it looks like SDSU, IUPUI, Miami (OH) & Princeton would be 'our' grouping. Really, why are we complaining about this? If those are the teams in our grouping it will be a great event. The home team was the only team of the 4 that didn't have a 20 win season last year. It is a chance to play two 20 win teams on a neutral court. That is worth a lot of RPI points. If we come out of this 3-0, it could bump our RPI significantly. And we should have 4 games in which to get that top 50 win we need OOC: Cal, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and Wichita State. Even splitting those 4, with the rest of the schedule would be a big step toward an at-large. UNLV was on everyone's list and got an 8 seed. They beat one top 50 team and three 70-100 type teams OOC. They lost to a top 50 team and lost to a 100-150 team. We are in position to do that or better. Our known opponents had the RPIs last year are shown below: 20 (Cal) 35 (St. Mary's) 36 (Gonzaga) 43 (Wichita State) 83 (IUPUI) 111 (LBSU) 133 (Princeton) 143 (Miami Ohio) 230 (USD) Great schedule to get an at large bid. There are plenty of chances to get a quality win. |
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Post by vision on Jul 9, 2010 14:32:00 GMT -8
the top teams play for the championship of what?
it's just a way to play more games than you can normally schedule
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 9, 2010 20:28:14 GMT -8
And again (Monty) this is what the committee looks at. Beating good quality teams, especially those that are predicted to be conference favorites. No downside to this at all, unless we completely lay an egg and don't win a game, which would be shameful.
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Post by AzTeCViC on Jul 10, 2010 12:57:41 GMT -8
Nice, good competition. Hope we beat the zags.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2010 13:30:54 GMT -8
OK, here is my take on what I have read. Basically SDSU is getting to play national power Gonzaga at their place. It is chance for SDSU to get a 'huge' non-conference win or a 'quality' loss. No real downside to that, maybe it will be on ESPN as well. Also, the non-big 4 teams in this tournament will somehow have smaller tournaments at James Madison or Miami (OH). See this quote "Matchups, game times, and television details for the Championship Rounds at Sprint Center and the Subregional Rounds at James Madison and Miami (Ohio) will be announced at a later date." Since we got previous info from the U-T that SDSU would be part of 4 team tournament at Miami (OH), it looks like SDSU, IUPUI, Miami (OH) & Princeton would be 'our' grouping. Really, why are we complaining about this? Agree So do I. I don't understand those who bemoan the fact we won't have a chance to win a tournament if that's how it works out. Particularly this season, the most important thing about the OOC schedule is how it sets us up for the NCAAs and I never remember hearing the NCAA committee mention winning some early season tournament as a reason somebody got in and somebody else didn't. |
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Post by nonpostpete on Jul 10, 2010 13:57:00 GMT -8
It is a very good thing all around. First, an away game against a highly regarded team. "They won at Gonzaga in an OOC game" will count as a quality win and "They lost at Gonzaga in an OOC game" will not be harmful in an analysis of OOC performance. Basically a no lose proposition with a good upside.
The other games are against decent mid-level teams, on a neutral floor, which Aztecs should go into with an expectation of winning the games. Hopefully they can get some wins that won't hurt and will actually help RPI a little bit, and do it on a neutral floor to help minimize any advantage to the opposition while also giving the team more experience playing on a neutral floor a la tournament time.
All good. At Gonzaga, at Cal and also at Arizona? A strong bunch of games for the team and fortunately at a time when the team will have a chance to win the games due to their experience coming out of the gate.
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Post by pokinsky on Aug 5, 2010 10:31:44 GMT -8
SDSU continues to garner respect for playing 4 straight on road in this tourney. Gonzaga plays a brutal schedule and a victory over them early would be huge. "Will San Diego State be able to emerge out of these four games -- all away from home -- without damaging its at-large chances?""The Aztecs play at Gonzaga and then go to Oxford, Ohio, for three games, while not getting a chance at the CBE semifinals in Kansas City. The Aztecs knew this going into the event since they had to find a home after being left out of a tournament in Las Vegas. SDSU also desperately wanted a game with Gonzaga. Give coach Steve Fisher credit for playing five straight road games to start the season (the Aztecs open at Long Beach State)." Utah and UNLV are also in very tough ooc tourneys and have a chance to rep the conference if they can win a few games. UNLV has a legit shot to win their tourney if Willis isn't in jail. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5440263/looking-ahead-early-season-tourneys |
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 5, 2010 17:16:21 GMT -8
It is a very good thing all around. First, an away game against a highly regarded team. "They won at Gonzaga in an OOC game" will count as a quality win and "They lost at Gonzaga in an OOC game" will not be harmful in an analysis of OOC performance. Basically a no lose proposition with a good upside. The other games are against decent mid-level teams, on a neutral floor, which Aztecs should go into with an expectation of winning the games. Hopefully they can get some wins that won't hurt and will actually help RPI a little bit, and do it on a neutral floor to help minimize any advantage to the opposition while also giving the team more experience playing on a neutral floor a la tournament time. All good. At Gonzaga, at Cal and also at Arizona? A strong bunch of games for the team and fortunately at a time when the team will have a chance to win the games due to their experience coming out of the gate. Road Long Beach Road Gonzaga Road Miami, Ohio Road Cal Neutral Wisconsin-Green Bay Neutral IUPUI Home USD Home Wichita State Home St Mary's 3-0 at home 2-0 Neutral 2-2 Road Would result in an RPI winning percentage of 84.6%. That RPI winning percentage is equivalent to a 13-1 home record. Playing on the road makes a big difference RPI wise. We can't afford to lose at home. |
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Post by pokinsky on Aug 5, 2010 18:50:29 GMT -8
long beach state should be a tougher road game than Pacific was last year and Gonzaga should be tougher than St marys was too.
Depending on what Wichita St does in pre season tourneys against UConn they might be ranked when they come to Viejas and so might St Marys (based on last years hype) and a weak ooc, ... they should be undefeated and ranked 24th when they arrive.
Next year we will likely have a lower RPI than ranking unless we win our first 5 games.
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Post by steveaztec on Aug 5, 2010 18:54:09 GMT -8
long beach state should be a tougher road game than Pacific was last year and Gonzaga should be tougher than St marys was too. Depending on what Wichita St does in pre season tourneys against UConn they might be ranked when they come to Viejas and so might St Marys (based on last years hype) and a weak ooc, ... they should be undefeated and ranked 24th when they arrive. Next year we will likely have a lower RPI than ranking unless we win our first 5 games. i think you are right on both of these Pokinsky. Long Beach State at the Pyramid is going to be very tough.....Gonzaga is almost unbeatable at home. |
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