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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 7:49:47 GMT -8
So you are buddies with Correia. That explains everything. You don't care about the Padres winning - only that your buddy stays on the team. Did I say I was his buddy? Geezus Bill, I would think that someone who usually appears pretty bright wouldn't make that assumption and then write it out in this forum. No, I've met him once. I just know some people that have inside info that he was NEVER offered a new contract. He wanted to stay in SDiego and was pissed when he wasn't offered an opportunity to do so. So again, you assumed that it would have taken $4mill/yr to keep him when I KNOW it wouldn't. Stick to stats So what? What if it cost, $2M? $3M per season? What are we paying Moseley and Luebke? Less than that COMBINED? I assume they're both getting the minimum.
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Post by aztecbruce on Aug 1, 2011 15:10:29 GMT -8
Did I say I was his buddy? Geezus Bill, I would think that someone who usually appears pretty bright wouldn't make that assumption and then write it out in this forum. No, I've met him once. I just know some people that have inside info that he was NEVER offered a new contract. He wanted to stay in SDiego and was pissed when he wasn't offered an opportunity to do so. So again, you assumed that it would have taken $4mill/yr to keep him when I KNOW it wouldn't. Stick to stats So what? What if it cost, $2M? $3M per season? What are we paying Moseley and Luebke? Less than that COMBINED? I assume they're both getting the minimum. I was attempting to correct Bill with his comments that it would have cost $4mill/yr x2 to keep Correia. That's it. Your points are different and Luebke wasn't starting way back when this thread started. On your points, that just further shows that Moorad may be a worse/cheaper owner than Moores was. Maybe they ought to spend more $$ on players rather than overloading the front office.
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Post by aztecron on Aug 1, 2011 15:35:26 GMT -8
Did I say I was his buddy? Geezus Bill, I would think that someone who usually appears pretty bright wouldn't make that assumption and then write it out in this forum. No, I've met him once. I just know some people that have inside info that he was NEVER offered a new contract. He wanted to stay in SDiego and was pissed when he wasn't offered an opportunity to do so. So again, you assumed that it would have taken $4mill/yr to keep him when I KNOW it wouldn't. Stick to stats So what? What if it cost, $2M? $3M per season? What are we paying Moseley and Luebke? Less than that COMBINED? I assume they're both getting the minimum. Moseley is on a $900k a year contract.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 2, 2011 9:34:19 GMT -8
So what? What if it cost, $2M? $3M per season? What are we paying Moseley and Luebke? Less than that COMBINED? I assume they're both getting the minimum. Moseley is on a $900k a year contract. And the Padres control Moseley through 2013 since he will only have 4 years MLB service by the end of this year. 2012 Starters (Free Agent Year)Leubke (2017) Latos (2016) Richard (2015) Moseley (2014) Stauffer (2014) All good pitchers. All under club control for multiple years. We need no free agent starters for the first time in forever. The Padres have had 2 free agent starters, it seems, every year. The money saved from having "home grown" starters can be used to get better everyday players and a better bench. I would not be surprised to see one of the pitchers listed above traded for an everyday player. That way the Padres can sign a free agent pitcher instead of an everyday player. Signing pitchers to play in Petco Park is much easier than signing hitters. Because, for some unknown reason, hitters believe Petco Park is a place where you can't hit very well.
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Post by aztecron on Aug 2, 2011 11:18:07 GMT -8
Moseley is on a $900k a year contract. And the Padres control Moseley through 2013 since he will only have 4 years MLB service by the end of this year. 2012 Starters (Free Agent Year)Leubke (2017) Latos (2016) Richard (2015) Moseley (2014) Stauffer (2014) All good pitchers. All under club control for multiple years. We need no free agent starters for the first time in forever. The Padres have had 2 free agent starters, it seems, every year. The money saved from having "home grown" starters can be used to get better everyday players and a better bench. I would not be surprised to see one of the pitchers listed above traded for an everyday player. That way the Padres can sign a free agent pitcher instead of an everyday player. Signing pitchers to play in Petco Park is much easier than signing hitters. Because, for some unknown reason, hitters believe Petco Park is a place where you can't hit very well. Harang has a $5 million mutual option for next year with a $500 K buyout. Are you thinking he might be bought out? Or, do you think we keep him and trade one of the above?
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 2, 2011 13:27:58 GMT -8
And the Padres control Moseley through 2013 since he will only have 4 years MLB service by the end of this year. 2012 Starters (Free Agent Year)Leubke (2017) Latos (2016) Richard (2015) Moseley (2014) Stauffer (2014) All good pitchers. All under club control for multiple years. We need no free agent starters for the first time in forever. The Padres have had 2 free agent starters, it seems, every year. The money saved from having "home grown" starters can be used to get better everyday players and a better bench. I would not be surprised to see one of the pitchers listed above traded for an everyday player. That way the Padres can sign a free agent pitcher instead of an everyday player. Signing pitchers to play in Petco Park is much easier than signing hitters. Because, for some unknown reason, hitters believe Petco Park is a place where you can't hit very well. Harang has a $5 million mutual option for next year with a $500 K buyout. Are you thinking he might be bought out? Or, do you think we keep him and trade one of the above? Neither. The Padres will not option out but Harang will. He is worth much more on the free market. The Padres will offer him arbitration so they can get draft pick(s). We should hope he continues to do well so he will be a class "A" free agent and we get two picks.
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Post by aztecron on Aug 2, 2011 14:37:42 GMT -8
Harang has a $5 million mutual option for next year with a $500 K buyout. Are you thinking he might be bought out? Or, do you think we keep him and trade one of the above? Neither. The Padres will not option out but Harang will. He is worth much more on the free market. The Padres will offer him arbitration so they can get draft pick(s). We should hope he continues to do well so he will be a class "A" free agent and we get two picks. Interesting. I know Harang likes being here in SD, and as you know, he's from here. I'm curious if he'll really choose to opt out, or stay here in the large comfy confines of Petco Park for one more year and then hit the market. I like your plan, as long is Richards is healthy next year.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 2, 2011 14:57:25 GMT -8
Neither. The Padres will not option out but Harang will. He is worth much more on the free market. The Padres will offer him arbitration so they can get draft pick(s). We should hope he continues to do well so he will be a class "A" free agent and we get two picks. Interesting. I know Harang likes being here in SD, and as you know, he's from here. I'm curious if he'll really choose to opt out, or stay here in the large comfy confines of Petco Park for one more year and then hit the market. I like your plan, as long is Richards is healthy next year. It would be hard to turn down the chance of a 3 year deal elsewhere. There are no guarantees. If he does come back, it would be hard to place Luebke back as a long guy. He is also more valuable than that. We would have to trade one of the 5 starters.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 4, 2011 16:23:13 GMT -8
Bruce, Are you happy that we didn't resign Correia, yet? There has to be a point where you realize we dodged a bullet in not signing him. And maybe there is a point at which you admit it. Latest in his quest to kill Pittsburgh hopes2 innings 8 ER 10 Hits 4 Home Runs Post All-Star19 Innings 32 Hits 20 Runs 7 Home Runs A run an inning after the All Star Break. Hitters against him in 2011 are hitting: .287 .327 .456
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Post by aztecbruce on Aug 4, 2011 21:32:53 GMT -8
Bruce, Are you happy that we didn't resign Correia, yet? There has to be a point where you realize we dodged a bullet in not signing him. And maybe there is a point at which you admit it. Latest in his quest to kill Pittsburgh hopes2 innings 8 ER 10 Hits 4 Home Runs Post All-Star19 Innings 32 Hits 20 Runs 7 Home Runs A run an inning after the All Star Break. Hitters against him in 2011 are hitting: .287 .327 .456 What's your point Bill? We've got 2 of your boys on the DL right now and out for the rest of the year. It seems to me that they are useless when they're not in uniform.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 5, 2011 9:09:48 GMT -8
What's your point Bill? We've got 2 of your boys on the DL right now and out for the rest of the year. It seems to me that they are useless when they're not in uniform. So you would have signed Correia because his chance of getting hurt is less than other starters the Padres have? That is strange logic. The players we have to replace any injuried starters are still better than Correia. Anthony Bass, Cory Luebke are much better choices than Correia. Even the Pirates are starting to talk about "adjusting" their pitching rotation - just like the Padres did last year when Correia was benched due to falling apart about the same time of the year.
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Post by aztecbruce on Aug 5, 2011 12:47:02 GMT -8
What's your point Bill? We've got 2 of your boys on the DL right now and out for the rest of the year. It seems to me that they are useless when they're not in uniform. So you would have signed Correia because his chance of getting hurt is less than other starters the Padres have? That is strange logic. The players we have to replace any injuried starters are still better than Correia. Anthony Bass, Cory Luebke are much better choices than Correia. Even the Pirates are starting to talk about "adjusting" their pitching rotation - just like the Padres did last year when Correia was benched due to falling apart about the same time of the year. Don't put words into my mouth Bill. For Christ sakes, go back and read the beginning of this thread to get back on-track. Discussing anything with you is like trying to communicate with a 16 yr old girl. Just about impossible and nearly a waste of time.
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Post by aztecbruce on Aug 6, 2011 12:44:43 GMT -8
Pads hit 4 HRS out of Pittsburgh yesterday in 15-5 win.
When have the Pads hit 4 HRS at Petco? Maybe Pittsburgh is more of a hitter's park huh Billo? LOL
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Post by aztecbruce on Aug 7, 2011 11:42:00 GMT -8
Before Statboy starts rattling off more stats, Correia didn't pitch bad today. Wasn't great either. 4 walks was the killer for him.
Seems like Balsley might be a damn good pitchin coach as most do better as a Pad than they do post-Padre life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 7:45:46 GMT -8
Before Statboy starts rattling off more stats, Correia didn't pitch bad today. Wasn't great either. 4 walks was the killer for him. Seems like Balsley might be a damn good pitchin coach as most do better as a Pad than they do post-Padre life. Correia was awful in a time where the Pirates needed their best pitcher to be a stopper. 4 runs in less than 6 innings. 4 walks, 5 hits and a wild pitch that scored a run? Who are you kidding he didn't pitch bad? I wouldn't take that sort of production from a spot starter.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 8, 2011 8:06:59 GMT -8
Before Statboy starts rattling off more stats, Correia didn't pitch bad today. Wasn't great either. 4 walks was the killer for him. Seems like Balsley might be a damn good pitchin coach as most do better as a Pad than they do post-Padre life. Correia was awful in a time where the Pirates needed their best pitcher to be a stopper. 4 runs in less than 6 innings. 4 walks, 5 hits and a wild pitch that scored a run? Who are you kidding he didn't pitch bad? I wouldn't take that sort of production from a spot starter. Bruce doesn't rate pitchers based upon how many runs they give up. It has something to do with how pretty they look. Starters ERACory Luebke 2.92 (8 Starts) Tim Stauffer 2.96 Dustin Moseley 3.30 Mat Latos 3.87 Clayton Richard 3.88 Aaron Harang 3.91 Correia 4.78 Bruce was wise to not take my challenge. It was a no win situation.
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Post by aztecbruce on Aug 8, 2011 16:32:29 GMT -8
Correia was awful in a time where the Pirates needed their best pitcher to be a stopper. 4 runs in less than 6 innings. 4 walks, 5 hits and a wild pitch that scored a run? Who are you kidding he didn't pitch bad? I wouldn't take that sort of production from a spot starter. Bruce doesn't rate pitchers based upon how many runs they give up. It has something to do with how pretty they look. Starters ERACory Luebke 2.92 (8 Starts) Tim Stauffer 2.96 Dustin Moseley 3.30 Mat Latos 3.87 Clayton Richard 3.88 Aaron Harang 3.91 Correia 4.78 Bruce was wise to not take my challenge. It was a no win situation. You never offer or take a challenge/bet that isn't so skewed in your direction that it isn't funny. and you never acknowledge any facts that go against your skewed psots. How do you rate a pitcher who isn't pitching due to being on the DL?
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 22, 2011 15:52:54 GMT -8
Bruce doesn't rate pitchers based upon how many runs they give up. It has something to do with how pretty they look. Starters ERACory Luebke 2.92 (8 Starts) Tim Stauffer 2.96 Dustin Moseley 3.30 Mat Latos 3.87 Clayton Richard 3.88 Aaron Harang 3.91 Correia 4.78 Bruce was wise to not take my challenge. It was a no win situation. You never offer or take a challenge/bet that isn't so skewed in your direction that it isn't funny. and you never acknowledge any facts that go against your skewed psots. How do you rate a pitcher who isn't pitching due to being on the DL? After giving up 3 more home runs and 6 ER in 6 Innings, the Pirates placed Correia on the DL. I wonder if it is a DL placement by mutual consent. Correia 4.79 ERA LeBlanc 4.62 ERA - Padres Spot Starter Harang 3.96 ERA - Padres worst ERA of their Starter's.
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Post by aztecbruce on Aug 22, 2011 20:24:01 GMT -8
You never offer or take a challenge/bet that isn't so skewed in your direction that it isn't funny. and you never acknowledge any facts that go against your skewed psots. How do you rate a pitcher who isn't pitching due to being on the DL? After giving up 3 more home runs and 6 ER in 6 Innings, the Pirates placed Correia on the DL. I wonder if it is a DL placement by mutual consent. Correia 4.79 ERA LeBlanc 4.62 ERA - Padres Spot Starter Harang 3.96 ERA - Padres worst ERA of their Starter's. Too bad your stats don't answer your question.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 23, 2011 7:36:26 GMT -8
After giving up 3 more home runs and 6 ER in 6 Innings, the Pirates placed Correia on the DL. I wonder if it is a DL placement by mutual consent. Correia 4.79 ERA LeBlanc 4.62 ERA - Padres Spot Starter Harang 3.96 ERA - Padres worst ERA of their Starter's. Too bad your stats don't answer your question. That would be great but stats are like bikinis - they show a lot but not everything.
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