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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 13, 2011 22:26:11 GMT -8
With another bad outing Correia's ERA moves below Harang and Mosley. So now he is below 3 of our 5 starters. Only Latos and Richard's ERAs are above him - two starters that would not have been out of the starting lineup to make way for signing Correia. And in other news the Padres sign the SS, Jace Peterson, they drafted with the compensation they got for letting Correia walk. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would have wanted the Padres to re-sign Correia. He's got 8 wins on a .500 team. Who has 8 wins on the Pads? You stated he had another "bad" outing. You had best do some homework before spouting off nonsense like that. He was PERFECT into the 5th sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-pirates“I don’t think I’ve seen anybody more efficient all year than Kevin, especially through the fifth,” Pittsburgh manager Clint Hurdle said. “It was an excellent outing. Actually, both those guys were excellent. They both hit their spots. It was two different types of pitchers who stayed away from the barrel and kept the ball down. It was well-played until right at the end and then it got away.” Peterson is nothing more than a prospect at this point.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 14, 2011 10:21:44 GMT -8
He's got 8 wins on a .500 team. Who has 8 wins on the Pads? You stated he had another "bad" outing. You had best do some homework before spouting off nonsense like that. He was PERFECT into the 5th sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-pirates“I don’t think I’ve seen anybody more efficient all year than Kevin, especially through the fifth,” Pittsburgh manager Clint Hurdle said. “It was an excellent outing. Actually, both those guys were excellent. They both hit their spots. It was two different types of pitchers who stayed away from the barrel and kept the ball down. It was well-played until right at the end and then it got away.” Peterson is nothing more than a prospect at this point. Are you saying if he didn't give up those 4 runs he would have had a great game. That surprises me because you always take exception to anyone using the word "if".
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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 14, 2011 17:25:16 GMT -8
He's got 8 wins on a .500 team. Who has 8 wins on the Pads? You stated he had another "bad" outing. You had best do some homework before spouting off nonsense like that. He was PERFECT into the 5th sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-pirates“I don’t think I’ve seen anybody more efficient all year than Kevin, especially through the fifth,” Pittsburgh manager Clint Hurdle said. “It was an excellent outing. Actually, both those guys were excellent. They both hit their spots. It was two different types of pitchers who stayed away from the barrel and kept the ball down. It was well-played until right at the end and then it got away.” Peterson is nothing more than a prospect at this point. Are you saying if he didn't give up those 4 runs he would have had a great game. That surprises me because you always take exception to anyone using the word "if". Correia has pitched more innings than any other Pirate this season. I suspect probably too many innings considering. My guess is that the manager left him in too long rather than pull a Bochy or Black, by using the bullpen. The freaking manager says he's been great all year. I guess you must think you're more qualified to speak of KC than the manager since you've probably seen him pitch maybe once the whole freakin season. Once again Statboy, who on the Pads can match his wins so far this year?
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 15, 2011 8:52:40 GMT -8
Correia has pitched more innings than any other Pirate this season. I suspect probably too many innings considering. My guess is that the manager left him in too long rather than pull a Bochy or Black, by using the bullpen. The freaking manager says he's been great all year. I guess you must think you're more qualified to speak of KC than the manager since you've probably seen him pitch maybe once the whole freakin season. Once again Statboy, who on the Pads can match his wins so far this year? So this is how far we have fallen? Using wins to rate a pitcher? That is a very bad method to rate pitchers. Just last night Matt Cain got a win going 6.2 innings giving up 5 runs, while Bud Norris got a loss going 7.0 innings giving up 1 run.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 18, 2011 10:52:09 GMT -8
Correia has pitched more innings than any other Pirate this season. I suspect probably too many innings considering. My guess is that the manager left him in too long rather than pull a Bochy or Black, by using the bullpen. The freaking manager says he's been great all year. I guess you must think you're more qualified to speak of KC than the manager since you've probably seen him pitch maybe once the whole freakin season. Once again Statboy, who on the Pads can match his wins so far this year? So this is how far we have fallen? Using wins to rate a pitcher? That is a very bad method to rate pitchers. Just last night Matt Cain got a win going 6.2 innings giving up 5 runs, while Bud Norris got a loss going 7.0 innings giving up 1 run. My point to you over and over and over and over...you can't completely rate anything with JUST stats. Ya have the eyeball test too. Anybody can put together any # of stats to prove any point they want to. But, it's only part of the picture.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 20, 2011 9:16:35 GMT -8
So this is how far we have fallen? Using wins to rate a pitcher? That is a very bad method to rate pitchers. Just last night Matt Cain got a win going 6.2 innings giving up 5 runs, while Bud Norris got a loss going 7.0 innings giving up 1 run. My point to you over and over and over and over...you can't completely rate anything with JUST stats. Ya have the eyeball test too. Anybody can put together any # of stats to prove any point they want to. But, it's only part of the picture. I would rather have a pitcher who doesn't give up runs. I don't care how pretty you think he is.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jun 20, 2011 11:17:17 GMT -8
My point to you over and over and over and over...you can't completely rate anything with JUST stats. Ya have the eyeball test too. Anybody can put together any # of stats to prove any point they want to. But, it's only part of the picture. I would rather have a pitcher who doesn't give up runs. I don't care how pretty you thnk he is. That's nice
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 12, 2011 19:22:18 GMT -8
Reading AztecBruce talk about baseball, is like reading Lady Gaga talk about politics. Sometimes I just have to laugh and shake my head at the monitor. and that's the best you've brought.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 12, 2011 19:23:20 GMT -8
What are you a f'ing mindreader now too? I have no idea who I would have picked and you sure as hell don't know either. Bill's accuracy at mindreading - "Management made a smart decision to let him walk." - May 16 Keeping Corriea would have meant not signing Mosley or Harang. Harang was considered the better of those two. That is why he signed for $4 million and Mosley for 900K. So Moseley may not have been your choice but it was the Padres choice of who to sign instead of Corriea. You were making a case that the Padres were cheap and mistaken to not sign Corriea. I think you need to consider a couple of facts. 1. Harang was willing to sign for one year - Corriea not. That will give the Padres a top draft pick when they let him go next year. 2. Moseley signed for 900K. He only has 3 years of service. That means the Padres have control over him for the next 3 years. 3. Correia lost his starting spot on the Padres last year and finished with a 5.40 ERA. Most Padres fans were very happy to see him go. He also had a decent April last year (3.86 ERA) but just got worse. I re-issue the challenge: Pick a Padres starter who you would not start/sign this season to replace with Corriea for $8 million for 2 years. It is easy to criticize the Padres but you don't want to change their decision even after having two months of "extra" data to use. I doubt very much you will take the challenge because you are more of a troll than a serious poster. I think YOU need to consider 2011 MLB All Star Pitcher Correia - YES Richard - NO Latos - NO Stauffer - NO Moseley - NO Harang - NO Luebke- NO
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 13, 2011 8:49:59 GMT -8
I think YOU need to consider 2011 MLB All Star Pitcher Correia - YES Richard - NO Latos - NO Stauffer - NO Moseley - NO Harang - NO Luebke- NO All that proves is that Bochy is an idiot. Correia has a 4.01 ERA. Last year for the Padres he had a 5.40 ERA. He is having a better year than last year but that doesn't change the fact that I am really, really, glad we did not resign him. Instead we signed Harang (3.45 ERA) and Moseley (3.21 ERA) . The Padres have one starting pitcher with a worse ERA than Correia. That is Latos with a 4.04 ERA. I challenged you to name one of our 5 starters or our backup, Luebke, who you would think would end the year with a worse ERA. You declined. It looks more and more like all 6 Padre Starters will end the season with a better ERA than Correia.
Correia's last outing 3.1 innings 5 ER is worse than any outing a Padres starter has had since mid May. Do you wish the Padres had resigned Correia for 2 year and $8 million?
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 13, 2011 9:21:29 GMT -8
4.04 ERA Latos 4.01 ERA Correia
April ERAs 4.98 ERA Latos 2.90 ERA Correia
Since April 3.77 ERA Latos 4.60 ERA Correia
So Latos has been closing the gap that April numbers created and will soon pass Correia. That will give all 6 starters a better ERA than Correia, not surprisingly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 11:54:31 GMT -8
You spend a lot of time looking up statistics for a team that will be one of the most irrelevant in Padres history. Therefor one of the most irrelevant in baseball history.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 14, 2011 12:52:29 GMT -8
You spend a lot of time looking up statistics for a team that will be one of the most irrelevant in Padres history. Therefor one of the most irrelevant in baseball history. Interesting observation.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 14, 2011 16:07:59 GMT -8
I think YOU need to consider 2011 MLB All Star Pitcher Correia - YES Richard - NO Latos - NO Stauffer - NO Moseley - NO Harang - NO Luebke- NO All that proves is that Bochy is an idiot. Correia has a 4.01 ERA. Last year for the Padres he had a 5.40 ERA. He is having a better year than last year but that doesn't change the fact that I am really, really, glad we did not resign him. Instead we signed Harang (3.45 ERA) and Moseley (3.21 ERA) . The Padres have one starting pitcher with a worse ERA than Correia. That is Latos with a 4.04 ERA. I challenged you to name one of our 5 starters or our backup, Luebke, who you would think would end the year with a worse ERA. You declined. It looks more and more like all 6 Padre Starters will end the season with a better ERA than Correia.
Correia's last outing 3.1 innings 5 ER is worse than any outing a Padres starter has had since mid May. Do you wish the Padres had resigned Correia for 2 year and $8 million? Your first comment further proves your ignorance on the subject. So are you saying that one of the Pads starters deserved to be named to the All Star team? Didn't Bochy guide a team that won last year's World Series? All your stats mean squat. Your continuously fail to recognize the reality that Pittsburgh is a hitters park while Petco apparently isn't. Of course, pitchers should have a higher ERA in Pittsburgh than they should have in SD. I've stated that numerous times all to be ignored by you. Everybody knows that you skew your stats to show something that YOU are trying to prove.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 14, 2011 16:49:02 GMT -8
Your first comment further proves your ignorance on the subject. So are you saying that one of the Pads starters deserved to be named to the All Star team? Didn't Bochy guide a team that won last year's World Series? All your stats mean squat. Your continuously fail to recognize the reality that Pittsburgh is a hitters park while Petco apparently isn't. Of course, pitchers should have a higher ERA in Pittsburgh than they should have in SD. I've stated that numerous times all to be ignored by you. Everybody knows that you skew your stats to show something that YOU are trying to prove. You are so funny. I could actually feel your pain of having to type that Petco Park was "not a hitters park". You felt so much pain you had to add the word "apparently". You weren't even saying it was a pitchers park, or the truth that it is an extreme pitchers park, but merely that it wasn't a hitters park. And even that very mild statement apparently needed qualification from you. I guess after years of saying where you play doesn't matter, even that mild statement is like pulling teeth. I was wondering if you would fall back on the home/road splits of the pitchers. It is the obvious retort but given your history on the subject, I didn't expect it. Very funny. Correia had a 5.36 ERA in this extreme pitchers park last year. Another reason to let him walk.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 14, 2011 16:52:41 GMT -8
Your first comment further proves your ignorance on the subject. So are you saying that one of the Pads starters deserved to be named to the All Star team?... I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth...ugh
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 14, 2011 17:14:38 GMT -8
All that proves is that Bochy is an idiot. Correia has a 4.01 ERA. Last year for the Padres he had a 5.40 ERA. He is having a better year than last year but that doesn't change the fact that I am really, really, glad we did not resign him. Instead we signed Harang (3.45 ERA) and Moseley (3.21 ERA) . The Padres have one starting pitcher with a worse ERA than Correia. That is Latos with a 4.04 ERA. I challenged you to name one of our 5 starters or our backup, Luebke, who you would think would end the year with a worse ERA. You declined. It looks more and more like all 6 Padre Starters will end the season with a better ERA than Correia.
Correia's last outing 3.1 innings 5 ER is worse than any outing a Padres starter has had since mid May. Do you wish the Padres had resigned Correia for 2 year and $8 million? Your first comment further proves your ignorance on the subject. So are you saying that one of the Pads starters deserved to be named to the All Star team? Didn't Bochy guide a team that won last year's World Series? All your stats mean squat. Your continuously fail to recognize the reality that Pittsburgh is a hitters park while Petco apparently isn't. Of course, pitchers should have a higher ERA in Pittsburgh than they should have in SD. I've stated that numerous times all to be ignored by you. Everybody knows that you skew your stats to show something that YOU are trying to prove. I was going to take your word for Pittsburgh being a hitters park but I looked it up anyway. Pittsburgh has played 45 games at home and 45 on the road. They have scored more runs on the road. They have allowed more runs on the road. It doesn't seem to be much of a hitters park. The difference is almost one run per game more on the road.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 14, 2011 19:51:13 GMT -8
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 14, 2011 20:09:19 GMT -8
Your first comment further proves your ignorance on the subject. So are you saying that one of the Pads starters deserved to be named to the All Star team? Didn't Bochy guide a team that won last year's World Series? All your stats mean squat. Your continuously fail to recognize the reality that Pittsburgh is a hitters park while Petco apparently isn't. Of course, pitchers should have a higher ERA in Pittsburgh than they should have in SD. I've stated that numerous times all to be ignored by you. Everybody knows that you skew your stats to show something that YOU are trying to prove. I was going to take your word for Pittsburgh being a hitters park but I looked it up anyway. Pittsburgh has played 45 games at home and 45 on the road. They have scored more runs on the road. They have allowed more runs on the road. It doesn't seem to be much of a hitters park. The difference is almost one run per game more on the road. That proves nothing as usual. Have they played the same teams on the road as at home? Was the weather conditions the same? Did they face the same pitchers at home and on the road? Actually, in doing more research, it appears that Pitts stadium is somewhat similar to Petco. Big gaps that favor line drive hitters or power hitters who hit it down the short lines.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 14, 2011 20:26:32 GMT -8
Your first comment further proves your ignorance on the subject. So are you saying that one of the Pads starters deserved to be named to the All Star team? Didn't Bochy guide a team that won last year's World Series? All your stats mean squat. Your continuously fail to recognize the reality that Pittsburgh is a hitters park while Petco apparently isn't. Of course, pitchers should have a higher ERA in Pittsburgh than they should have in SD. I've stated that numerous times all to be ignored by you. Everybody knows that you skew your stats to show something that YOU are trying to prove. You are so funny. I could actually feel your pain of having to type that Petco Park was "not a hitters park". You felt so much pain you had to add the word "apparently". You weren't even saying it was a pitchers park, or the truth that it is an extreme pitchers park, but merely that it wasn't a hitters park. And even that very mild statement apparently needed qualification from you. I guess after years of saying where you play doesn't matter, even that mild statement is like pulling teeth. I was wondering if you would fall back on the home/road splits of the pitchers. It is the obvious retort but given your history on the subject, I didn't expect it. Very funny. Correia had a 5.36 ERA in this extreme pitchers park last year. Another reason to let him walk. No, I said "apparently not a hitters park". Is it really the park or the players we have or their belief that they're not suppose to be able to hit here? Read the article I posted and you might wake up. It's as I said, he fell apart after his brother passed away. That's understandable from my point of view. Do you think the guy is a machine?
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