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Post by markyc on May 5, 2011 12:06:50 GMT -8
What obligation does the president have to show us the pictures? I'm sure the people who need to see the pictures have seen them. If you dont believe it to be true then too bad for you, why the hell does he need to please the citizens? What he needs to do is the right thing and that is what he is doing, no pictures.
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Post by tuff on May 5, 2011 12:26:28 GMT -8
What obligation does the president have to show us the pictures? I'm sure the people who need to see the pictures have seen them. If you dont believe it to be true then too bad for you, why the hell does he need to please the citizens? What he needs to do is the right thing and that is what he is doing, no pictures. Because he works for US, and if a majority wants proof he should show them. That burial at sea could have been the anyone for all we know. |
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Post by davdesid on May 5, 2011 12:35:10 GMT -8
I don't care about the pictures one way or the other. If the troops on scene say they got him, that's good enough for me. Their interest is not politics, it's not lying for politicians, it's not for glory. It's mission execution.
That said, I think the reason given for non-release is BS. If the old "inflaming the Arab Street" canard were a valid reason, Obama would not have authorized the release of hundreds of photos of so-called Abu Graib "atrocities" in 2009.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 5, 2011 13:00:29 GMT -8
I think it would be better to release the photos and video of the burial at sea. It's a close call, I admit. Those who say that the doubters will just say that any released photos have been faked have a point, but there is more to it than that. While released photos could be condemned as fake, it's likely that they would be pretty convincing to most open-minded people. However, the fact that NO photos are being released will really fire the conspiracy nuts' imaginations. What are they trying to hide? and so on. There is another aspect to this operation that is a bit troubling. We have now had several different versions of who was killed and how, and to what extent, if any, Pakistan was involved. Sure, early reports can be inaccurate, but a couple of days after the fact conflicting statements were coming from responsible Obama administration officials. The raid was perfect, but the post raid PR has been questionable. One suggested explanation for that is the possibility that Obama is reluctant to admit that he authorized a kill mission from the start. AzWm It's billed as a capture or kill but the requirements for capture were such that bin Laden would have had to be naked. I don't think anyone in the administration has not said that killing him was authorized. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 5, 2011 13:04:46 GMT -8
What obligation does the president have to show us the pictures? I'm sure the people who need to see the pictures have seen them. If you dont believe it to be true then too bad for you, why the hell does he need to please the citizens? What he needs to do is the right thing and that is what he is doing, no pictures. Because he works for US, and if a majority wants proof he should show them. That burial at sea could have been the anyone for all we know. What Dave said - if those seals say they got him, they got him. =Bob |
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 5, 2011 13:10:36 GMT -8
I think it would be better to release the photos and video of the burial at sea. It's a close call, I admit. Those who say that the doubters will just say that any released photos have been faked have a point, but there is more to it than that. While released photos could be condemned as fake, it's likely that they would be pretty convincing to most open-minded people. However, the fact that NO photos are being released will really fire the conspiracy nuts' imaginations. What are they trying to hide? and so on. There is another aspect to this operation that is a bit troubling. We have now had several different versions of who was killed and how, and to what extent, if any, Pakistan was involved. Sure, early reports can be inaccurate, but a couple of days after the fact conflicting statements were coming from responsible Obama administration officials. The raid was perfect, but the post raid PR has been questionable. One suggested explanation for that is the possibility that Obama is reluctant to admit that he authorized a kill mission from the start. AzWm It's billed as a capture or kill but the requirements for capture were such that bin Laden would have had to be naked. I don't think anyone in the administration has not said that killing him was authorized. =Bob The point is this: there is a strong possibility that it was made clear, one way or another (wink! wink!) that OBL was not to survive the encounter. If that is so, I can imagine that Obama, being who he is (and this is not really a slam on him) prefers not to make that clear. G.W. Bush might have been similarly reluctant to admit the same thing had the operation occurred on his watch. I guess a President Trump would have said, "You bet we smoked that SOB! That was always the goal. We simply don't f- -- around with people who kill Americans!" But real presidents are more careful to observe the niceties of diplomatic obfuscation. AzWm |
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Post by Yoda on May 5, 2011 13:46:52 GMT -8
I guess a President Trump would have said, "You bet we smoked that SOB! That was always the goal. We simply don't f- -- around with people who kill Americans!" But real presidents are more careful to observe the niceties of diplomatic obfuscation. AzWm And frankly, that's what Obama should have said as well. Hell of a lot stronger message than mamby-pambying around with multiple stories that keep falling flat. There isn't a person on the planet who wouldn't have understood. Releasing pictures is not appropriate. Stating clearly and concisely exactly what we did and why is entirely appropriate. Yoda out... |
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Post by uwaztec on May 5, 2011 16:38:37 GMT -8
It's billed as a capture or kill but the requirements for capture were such that bin Laden would have had to be naked. I don't think anyone in the administration has not said that killing him was authorized. =Bob The point is this: there is a strong possibility that it was made clear, one way or another (wink! wink!) that OBL was not to survive the encounter. If that is so, I can imagine that Obama, being who he is (and this is not really a slam on him) prefers not to make that clear. G.W. Bush might have been similarly reluctant to admit the same thing had the operation occurred on his watch. I guess a President Trump would have said, "You bet we smoked that SOB! That was always the goal. We simply don't f- -- around with people who kill Americans!" But real presidents are more careful to observe the niceties of diplomatic obfuscation. AzWm Yep...capturing him alive would have created a nightmare and circus for us I believe. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 5, 2011 17:50:04 GMT -8
The point is this: there is a strong possibility that it was made clear, one way or another (wink! wink!) that OBL was not to survive the encounter. If that is so, I can imagine that Obama, being who he is (and this is not really a slam on him) prefers not to make that clear. G.W. Bush might have been similarly reluctant to admit the same thing had the operation occurred on his watch. I guess a President Trump would have said, "You bet we smoked that SOB! That was always the goal. We simply don't f- -- around with people who kill Americans!" But real presidents are more careful to observe the niceties of diplomatic obfuscation. AzWm Yep...capturing him alive would have created a nightmare and circus for us I believe. We might have got a lot of information out of him, but not worth the PR nightmare. We shot him right away. The main blunder of the Obama administration was the dithering on their story and on if they would release the pictures. They just can't seem to be or even appear to be decisive. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 5, 2011 17:53:55 GMT -8
Those pics are photoshopped and have been around for a couple of years. I agree, hes farrr from any model muslim, so why would they be offended? The US citizens DESERVE to see proof. We dont need big brother deciding what we can stomach and what we cant. This is a no brainer. We deserve and must see more proof. It all seems too perfect. No pics and a very fast buriel. Imbegining to think it never happened. Hes probably been dead for years, and we just found definitve proof of that. So Obama figured, why let that go to waste when I could get some credit for it and seal my bid for re-election? Pathetic. I would like some proof that those pictures were faked and why. Maybe they were, but they are still up there. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 5, 2011 19:33:16 GMT -8
Speaking of ghoulish photos, how about the Kennedy autopsy photos that are all over the Net? Are they fake? They look pretty damned realistic to me, but I couldn't swear to it.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2011 20:20:27 GMT -8
Good arguments have been made on both sides of the issue. On that basis, it was proper to defer to the Defense Department, which didn't want the photos released.
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Post by uwaztec on May 6, 2011 7:42:48 GMT -8
Speaking of ghoulish photos, how about the Kennedy autopsy photos that are all over the Net? Are they fake? They look pretty damned realistic to me, but I couldn't swear to it. AzWm yes, I saw those quite a few years ago and was sorry I looked! |
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Post by aztecron on May 6, 2011 7:54:47 GMT -8
Those pics are photoshopped and have been around for a couple of years. I agree, hes farrr from any model muslim, so why would they be offended? The US citizens DESERVE to see proof. We dont need big brother deciding what we can stomach and what we cant. This is a no brainer. We deserve and must see more proof. It all seems too perfect. No pics and a very fast buriel. Imbegining to think it never happened. Hes probably been dead for years, and we just found definitve proof of that. So Obama figured, why let that go to waste when I could get some credit for it and seal my bid for re-election? Pathetic. Finally found a new conspiracy to swallow, did you? Talk about pathetic.  |
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Post by jenaztec1 on May 6, 2011 8:17:14 GMT -8
Again Im no conspiracy theorist. I want to believe it, just noting that theres a lot of aspects that make me question it. Maybe you believe everything you're told...but I have the ability to think for myself and question things that may seem odd to me. That is all. Dont know why youre getting so angry. If you want to believe, then believe it and dont question a thing.
Exactly.
What seals? Where did they say this? As far as I know, Seal Team 6 doesn't even exist, and I havent seen any interviews of them.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 6, 2011 10:34:38 GMT -8
Again Im no conspiracy theorist. I want to believe it, just noting that theres a lot of aspects that make me question it. Maybe you believe everything you're told...but I have the ability to think for myself and question things that may seem odd to me. That is all. Dont know why youre getting so angry. If you want to believe, then believe it and dont question a thing. Exactly. What seals? Where did they say this? As far as I know, Seal Team 6 doesn't even exist, and I havent seen any interviews of them. They don't do interviews. Seal Team 6 is the elite of the elite. Officially they don't exist because they engage exclusively in black ops. The real name of the team isn't even known. Do a little homework if you're capable of that. Now, I could point to the fact that al Qaeda has confirmed bin Laden's death but most likely you won't believe them either. So at this point I have no desire to respond to you again because you're either trolling or you're just another tin foil hat wearer who sees conspiracies everywhere. =Bob |
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Post by markyc on May 6, 2011 11:53:36 GMT -8
No need for pictures, Al-Qaida has confirmed Bin Laden is Dead. Close the book on this one!
Al-Qaida confirmed the killing of Osama bin Laden and vowed revenge, saying Friday that Americans' "happiness will turn to sadness." The statement was the first by the terror network since its leader was slain in a U.S. commando raid against his Pakistani hideout.
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Post by jenaztec1 on May 6, 2011 12:40:14 GMT -8
I guess you don't know what sarcasm is. But thank you for answering your own question...you didn't hear ANYTHING from the Seals. I do agree though, Al-Qaida confirming his death does add more credibility to it, but then again, those idiots would lie too to further their agenda against America.  |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 6, 2011 15:30:13 GMT -8
I guess you don't know what sarcasm is. But thank you for answering your own question...you didn't hear ANYTHING from the Seals. I do agree though, Al-Qaida confirming his death does add more credibility to it, but then again, those idiots would lie too to further their agenda against America. I will respond one more time. Learn the definition of "sarcasm" before you attempt to use it. You really don't understand what it means to be a Seal - they reported that they'd killed bin Laden and they would not have reported that if they had not done so. ST 6 is on the same level as the Mossad assassination teams - they are the best of the best. If they tell the President Osama is dead, he's farking dead. Last time I will respond, Ms. Diddlybop. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on May 6, 2011 15:50:23 GMT -8
I guess you don't know what sarcasm is. But thank you for answering your own question...you didn't hear ANYTHING from the Seals. I do agree though, Al-Qaida confirming his death does add more credibility to it, but then again, those idiots would lie too to further their agenda against America. Give it up! This is one of the rare times that =Bob is right. The mission was accomplished. If you want to find an issue, it is in the incompetent manner the after event has been handled. |
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