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Post by AztecWilliam on May 4, 2011 10:06:16 GMT -8
That's the news I just spotted on the net. A mistake, I think. We shall see.
AzWm
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Post by jenaztec1 on May 4, 2011 10:59:57 GMT -8
yep i cant believe hes not going to release them! really makes you start to wonder. No pics, super fast buriel...hmmmm....
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Post by Yoda on May 4, 2011 11:08:35 GMT -8
I think that's appropriate. There is no reason to alienate Muslims and others who would be offended by it. Foreign policy trumps voyeurism every time. It can be selectively shown to those who need to see it.
Yoda out...
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Post by aztecwin on May 4, 2011 11:46:11 GMT -8
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Post by davdesid on May 4, 2011 12:25:40 GMT -8
He's dead. If he makes a video holding up a current newpaper with legible headlines of events occuring after he "died", then I might wonder.
I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 4, 2011 14:51:49 GMT -8
Think I read on the MWC forum that those are fakes. =Bob |
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Post by Yoda on May 4, 2011 16:18:50 GMT -8
Between this and having given OBL a "sensitive" funeral/burial, it's almost like Obama cares more about the feelings of the Middle East (where the terrorists are) than he does those of the nation over which he presides. You sound as if the nation is of one mind on the issue, that we are all demanding to see the pics, and our unanimous interest is being put behind the interests of foreigners. If we were of one mind, then you might have a point. But I don't think we are. If nothing else, there are several million Muslims in the United States. There was a poll this morning on MSNBC.com in which a majority of people DID overwhelmingly support releasing the photos. But another poll, taken after Obama's decision, and after the explanation for it, went almost as overwhelmingly the other way. ============ "It is important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool. That's not who we are. We don’t trot out this stuff as trophies," Obama told CBS News, according to White House spokesman Jay Carney. "We don't need to spike the football. And I think that, given the graphic nature of these photos, it would create some national security risk," the president said, according to Carney's account. ============== Sorry Pal, I think you're out in the weeds on this one. Yoda out... |
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Post by OfficialAztecINSIDER on May 4, 2011 18:19:19 GMT -8
If they were released, I'd probably take a look. Regardless, I think the President made the correct decision.
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Post by tuff on May 4, 2011 18:36:35 GMT -8
You can bet someone will leak those photos.
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Post by jenaztec1 on May 4, 2011 19:06:21 GMT -8
Those pics are photoshopped and have been around for a couple of years.
I agree, hes farrr from any model muslim, so why would they be offended?
The US citizens DESERVE to see proof. We dont need big brother deciding what we can stomach and what we cant. This is a no brainer. We deserve and must see more proof.
It all seems too perfect. No pics and a very fast buriel. Imbegining to think it never happened. Hes probably been dead for years, and we just found definitve proof of that. So Obama figured, why let that go to waste when I could get some credit for it and seal my bid for re-election?
Pathetic.
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Post by Yoda on May 4, 2011 19:42:08 GMT -8
The US citizens DESERVE to see proof. We dont need big brother deciding what we can stomach and what we cant. This is a no brainer. We deserve and must see more proof. Was that particular right in the constitution itself or is it one of the bill of rights? Just curious. I don't believe that the constitution imposes upon the US president the responsibility to show us any of the operational details of our military excursions -- including the pics. The right to have our baser instincts pandered to isn't actually a constitutional right -- it's just a nightly television ritual. Sorry. Jon Stewart, who favors releasing the photo, pointed out that seeing the pictures will clear up all doubts about Bin Laden's death much like the Zapruder film cleaned up all doubts about the Kennedy assassination. Seeing the pictures won't give us any proof because they can be faked and none of us are qualified to interpret them anyway. You're curious. Get over it. Yoda out... |
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Post by aztec70 on May 4, 2011 19:44:22 GMT -8
Those pics are photoshopped and have been around for a couple of years. I agree, hes farrr from any model muslim, so why would they be offended? The US citizens DESERVE to see proof. We dont need big brother deciding what we can stomach and what we cant. This is a no brainer. We deserve and must see more proof. It all seems too perfect. No pics and a very fast buriel. Imbegining to think it never happened. Hes probably been dead for years, and we just found definitve proof of that. So Obama figured, why let that go to waste when I could get some credit for it and seal my bid for re-election? Pathetic. So you think that the military just killed some guy and they are all lying? Wow. |
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Post by jenaztec1 on May 4, 2011 20:29:30 GMT -8
Youre right, the government has never lied, especially under this administration. lmao
Curiosity has nothing to do with it. I can look at pics of dead guys all day long on the net.
I couldnt care less what Jon Stewart says. This was a crime commited against Americans. They deserve proof that the devil is dead. Will it prove to every single person that it happened? Definitely not. But Im sure it will satisfy the majority. Thats better than nothing, and all that matters. With absolutely nothing being shown and the way the body was handled, it screams cover-up and cowardness. Not to mention, showing the pictures would only HELP against terrorism, not inflame it.
By the way, I love how Barry says "we dont need to sppike the football", but he sure is gonna take some victory laps around the country, eh? He'll ride this all the way to Nov '12. Who's he kidding?
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Post by Gringo Bandito on May 4, 2011 21:31:29 GMT -8
Youre right, the government has never lied, especially under this administration. lmao Curiosity has nothing to do with it. I can look at pics of dead guys all day long on the net. I couldnt care less what Jon Stewart says. This was a crime commited against Americans. They deserve proof that the devil is dead. Will it prove to every single person that it happened? Definitely not. But Im sure it will satisfy the majority. Thats better than nothing, and all that matters. With absolutely nothing being shown and the way the body was handled, it screams cover-up and cowardness. Not to mention, showing the pictures would only HELP against terrorism, not inflame it. By the way, I love how Barry says "we dont need to sppike the football", but he sure is gonna take some victory laps around the country, eh? He'll ride this all the way to Nov '12. Who's he kidding? And exactly what kind of cover-up does it scream? |
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Post by jenaztec1 on May 4, 2011 22:01:07 GMT -8
A cover-up that it never happened.
Believe me, I want to believe....I love the story and HOPE it's true....but I'm skeptical.
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Post by Yoda on May 5, 2011 6:15:38 GMT -8
A cover-up that it never happened. Believe me, I want to believe....I love the story and HOPE it's true....but I'm skeptical. Why are you skeptical? What evidence are you looking at that suggests that the whole thing was faked? Seems to me that if they were going to fake it then they would have done so just before last year's Congressional elections -- in hopes that the bump would prevent some of their losses. Not a whole lot to be gained by faking it in May. And the uncontrollable risk that Bin Laden would immediately pop up with a current newspaper open to the headlines of his killing -- a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment -- makes the very notion of faking it rather absurd. I wasn't suggesting that Jon Stewart brought any particular credibility to the table. I just didn't want to get accused of stealing his material. His point was valid. For conspiracy theorists, pictures of a man missing half his face wouldn't resolve this any more than the Zapruder film resolved the the Kennedy assassination. Probably less. Yoda out... |
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Post by OfficialAztecINSIDER on May 5, 2011 7:14:36 GMT -8
A cover-up that it never happened. Believe me, I want to believe....I love the story and HOPE it's true....but I'm skeptical.  |
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Post by jenaztec1 on May 5, 2011 8:18:40 GMT -8
I'm skeptical soley because of the way it was handled. Basically we just have some guy telling us that the big bad boogie man is now dead, and we must believe him. That's it. I don't think we should believe everything we're fed, just because they say we should.
I do believe he's dead, no doubt. I don't think they'd even attempt this if they didn't know for sure he wouldn't 'pop' up again.
Just some food for thought.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 5, 2011 10:25:22 GMT -8
A cover-up that it never happened. Believe me, I want to believe....I love the story and HOPE it's true....but I'm skeptical. Why are you skeptical? What evidence are you looking at that suggests that the whole thing was faked? Bill, there's no sense trying to argue with a conspiracy freak. If she saw the pictures she'd probably claim they are fakes. Of course the real whackos, which I don't think she is, are claiming that CIA asset bin Laden died of kidney failure in a Pakistani hospital in the fall of '01. =Bob |
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 5, 2011 11:06:40 GMT -8
I think it would be better to release the photos and video of the burial at sea. It's a close call, I admit. Those who say that the doubters will just say that any released photos have been faked have a point, but there is more to it than that.
While released photos could be condemned as fake, it's likely that they would be pretty convincing to most open-minded people. However, the fact that NO photos are being released will really fire the conspiracy nuts' imaginations. What are they trying to hide? and so on.
There is another aspect to this operation that is a bit troubling. We have now had several different versions of who was killed and how, and to what extent, if any, Pakistan was involved. Sure, early reports can be inaccurate, but a couple of days after the fact conflicting statements were coming from responsible Obama administration officials. The raid was perfect, but the post raid PR has been questionable. One suggested explanation for that is the possibility that Obama is reluctant to admit that he authorized a kill mission from the start.
Be that as it may, this is another example of an administration that has trouble staying on the same page.
AzWm
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