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Post by AztecBill on Apr 26, 2011 10:23:20 GMT -8
Lake Elsinore
OF Reymond L. Fuentes 20 years old Manati, Puerto Rico
2B Jeudy Emilio Valdez 21 years old Bani, Dominican Republic
3B Edinson Rincon 20 years old Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
SS Jonathan Rafael Galvez 20 years old Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
P Pedro Michel Hernandez 21 years old Barquisimeto, Venezuela
P Jose Alberto De Paula 21 years old Villa Mella , Dominican Republic
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 26, 2011 10:37:37 GMT -8
Fort Wayne
P Adys Portillo 19 years old Los Puertos de Altagracia , Venezuela
P Yefri Carvajal 22 years old El Seibo, Dominican Republic
C Emmanuel Quiles 21 years old Arecibo, Puerto Rico
OF Rymer Omar Liriano 19 years old Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
OF Alberth Martinez 20 years old San Felix, Venezuela
OF Luis Domoromo 19 years old Turen, Venezuela
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 26, 2011 10:39:02 GMT -8
It is still a couple of years before any reach the majors. The foreign players have helped to significantly improve the Padres minor leagues. They are one of the big reasons the Padres minor leagues are among the best baseball.
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Post by aztecbruce on Apr 30, 2011 17:00:05 GMT -8
It is still a couple of years before any reach the majors. The foreign players have helped to significantly improve the Padres minor leagues. They are one of the big reasons the Padres minor leagues are among the best baseball. How so? Those are the two lowest level teams that the Pads have. What are their stats? |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 30, 2011 17:51:08 GMT -8
Rincon is one of our top ten prospects. Kid can absolutely rake. Portillo is a kid who is very young but has electric stuff. Viewed as a potential ace down the road. Fuentes was a part of the Gonzalez trade, and is viewed as a dynamite defender in center if he continues to mature. These three alone vaulted the Padres farm system a few rungs up the ladder. Fort Wayne and Elsinore have a ton of talent, but the top team so far is San Antonio.
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Post by aztecryan on May 1, 2011 9:28:15 GMT -8
Sidenote, Bruce is right, those are the two bottom full season leagues the Padres have going. When the Dominican kids are signed, 99 percent of them are signed to the Dominican Summer League, largely because you have to be 16 in order to play ball in the U.S. Plus, they get to play at top-notch facilities, learn English, and are more comfortable with the surroundings. The gap between a league like the DSL and Lake Elsinore is huge. In Elsinore, you're probably two years away from the majors, maybe three. In the DSL, it's likely at a minimum six years. Most of the DSL kids go from that league to short-season Eugene or rookie ball, then get moved to Fort Wayne for their first taste of the full-season grind.
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Post by aztecbruce on May 1, 2011 10:07:22 GMT -8
Rincon is one of our top ten prospects. Kid can absolutely rake. Portillo is a kid who is very young but has electric stuff. Viewed as a potential ace down the road. Fuentes was a part of the Gonzalez trade, and is viewed as a dynamite defender in center if he continues to mature. These three alone vaulted the Padres farm system a few rungs up the ladder. Fort Wayne and Elsinore have a ton of talent, but the top team so far is San Antonio. My point is that Bill always shows stats in his argument for whatever he's trying to prove and with his title being "starting to show results"....I'm asking what results have they shown? Obviously if any of them are talented and have multiple tools then they will be considered in ranking of minor league prospects. I just want to know what their stats are and I'm sure Bill has them in his back pocket guide.  |
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Post by aztecryan on May 1, 2011 10:40:50 GMT -8
Rincon is hitting .369 in Lake Elsinore right now with 1 homer and 14 RBI's. He has 8 doubles and 1 triple. OBP of .419 and SLG of .524. His defense right now is his drawback. I'm hearing though he is making progress and working hard on his footwork. Portillo is 0-3 with 7.15 ERA, bloated because of his first start of the season where his command was very shaky. He's still just 19 years old, won't turn 20 until December and this is his first season stateside in full season ball. Walks have always been his enemy, but he has dynamite stuff. Fuentes is hitting .306 with 0 homers (power is not his game) and 5 RBI's. He is batting leadoff for the Storm. He has 4 doubles and 2 triples but what will get him to the majors is his speed and his defense. Obviously I don't have stats on every one of those guys, but those three stood out to me. On Yefri Carvajal, he was once considered one of the Padres top bats (Talking 35-40 homer potential) but he was never able to really command the strike zone enough, so they moved him to the mound just a month or so ago, where he is throwing 92-94. Minor League Baseball's website (minorleaguebaseball.com) has a search bar and all of those players profiles should have their stats, if you truly want to see them Bruce.  |
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Post by aztecbruce on May 1, 2011 21:57:21 GMT -8
Rincon is hitting .369 in Lake Elsinore right now with 1 homer and 14 RBI's. He has 8 doubles and 1 triple. OBP of .419 and SLG of .524. His defense right now is his drawback. I'm hearing though he is making progress and working hard on his footwork. Portillo is 0-3 with 7.15 ERA, bloated because of his first start of the season where his command was very shaky. He's still just 19 years old, won't turn 20 until December and this is his first season stateside in full season ball. Walks have always been his enemy, but he has dynamite stuff. Fuentes is hitting .306 with 0 homers (power is not his game) and 5 RBI's. He is batting leadoff for the Storm. He has 4 doubles and 2 triples but what will get him to the majors is his speed and his defense. Obviously I don't have stats on every one of those guys, but those three stood out to me. On Yefri Carvajal, he was once considered one of the Padres top bats (Talking 35-40 homer potential) but he was never able to really command the strike zone enough, so they moved him to the mound just a month or so ago, where he is throwing 92-94. Minor League Baseball's website (minorleaguebaseball.com) has a search bar and all of those players profiles should have their stats, if you truly want to see them Bruce. Not really. Just wanted to see if Bill could back up his claim. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 1, 2011 22:03:44 GMT -8
I'll let him handle it then. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 2, 2011 8:49:09 GMT -8
Not really. Just wanted to see if Bill could back up his claim. Yes. I did back up my claim. In my first two posts in this thread you can plainly see that a whole teams worth of players drafted at 16 years old were good enough to make "A" in the states. That is "showing results". |
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Post by aztecbruce on May 2, 2011 15:37:19 GMT -8
Not really. Just wanted to see if Bill could back up his claim. Yes. I did back up my claim. In my first two posts in this thread you can plainly see that a whole teams worth of players drafted at 16 years old were good enough to make "A" in the states. That is "showing results". Foreign players aren't drafted.  |
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Post by AztecBill on May 2, 2011 16:16:41 GMT -8
Yes. I did back up my claim. In my first two posts in this thread you can plainly see that a whole teams worth of players drafted at 16 years old were good enough to make "A" in the states. That is "showing results". Foreign players aren't drafted. There is no "Foreign player draft". I used "drafted" as a general term - not in the specific manner to which you refer. You might prefer "recruit", but "recruit" and "draft" are synonyms. But I am glad to see, by your change of focus, that you conceed my other point. |
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Post by aztecbruce on May 2, 2011 21:47:02 GMT -8
Foreign players aren't drafted. There is no "Foreign player draft". I used "drafted" as a general term - not in the specific manner to which you refer. You might prefer "recruit", but "recruit" and "draft" are synonyms. But I am glad to see, by your change of focus, that you conceed my other point. I haven't conceded anything Billo. Just because you listed a bunch of guys on the 2 lowest teams in the minor league system doesn't mean that they're producing at any particular rate. The Foreign market has nothing but a FREE AGENT market and has nothing to do with being drafted. Recruiting isn't the same as drafting and you damn well know it. You don't draft college football or basketball players do you? You recruit them. The NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB conduct a draft of ELIGIBLE players. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 3, 2011 8:59:13 GMT -8
There is no "Foreign player draft". I used "drafted" as a general term - not in the specific manner to which you refer. You might prefer "recruit", but "recruit" and "draft" are synonyms. But I am glad to see, by your change of focus, that you conceed my other point. I haven't conceded anything Billo. Just because you listed a bunch of guys on the 2 lowest teams in the minor league system doesn't mean that they're producing at any particular rate. The Foreign market has nothing but a FREE AGENT market and has nothing to do with being drafted. Recruiting isn't the same as drafting and you damn well know it. You don't draft college football or basketball players do you? You recruit them. The NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB conduct a draft of ELIGIBLE players. You only know those words and how they relate to sports. I was using them in a wider context. They are synonyms. It says so right here Having 11 foreign players in "A" shows great results from our efforts in that area. Going from a 16 year old draftee to playing in an "A" league in the states is a great leap forward. Unless you think playing as a junior in high school to getting drafted and working your way through the system to "A" is no accomplishment. There is a huge weeding out of players that never make it that far. Having 11 who have is showing great results. |
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Post by aztecbruce on May 3, 2011 10:10:03 GMT -8
I haven't conceded anything Billo. Just because you listed a bunch of guys on the 2 lowest teams in the minor league system doesn't mean that they're producing at any particular rate. The Foreign market has nothing but a FREE AGENT market and has nothing to do with being drafted. Recruiting isn't the same as drafting and you damn well know it. You don't draft college football or basketball players do you? You recruit them. The NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB conduct a draft of ELIGIBLE players. You only know those words and how they relate to sports. I was using them in a wider context. They are synonyms. It says so right here Having 11 foreign players in "A" shows great results from our efforts in that area. Going from a 16 year old draftee to playing in an "A" league in the states is a great leap forward. Unless you think playing as a junior in high school to getting drafted and working your way through the system to "A" is no accomplishment. There is a huge weeding out of players that never make it that far. Having 11 who have is showing great results. Funny..... Mr. Stats aka Statboy speaking in generalities for once. Don't get me wrong, I hope all those kids pan out as we know the Pads need all the help they can get. But your post on this really doesn't prove much at all. Show me some STATS! |
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Post by AztecBill on May 3, 2011 13:21:33 GMT -8
Funny..... Mr. Stats aka Statboy speaking in generalities for once. Don't get me wrong, I hope all those kids pan out as we know the Pads need all the help they can get. But your post on this really doesn't prove much at all. Show me some STATS! 11 is a stat. You just don't like my metric. If you want other information feel free to peruse this site Baseball Reference - Combined Padres Minor League Stats. You must really miss having Josh to spar with. |
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Post by aztecbruce on May 3, 2011 15:25:13 GMT -8
Funny..... Mr. Stats aka Statboy speaking in generalities for once. Don't get me wrong, I hope all those kids pan out as we know the Pads need all the help they can get. But your post on this really doesn't prove much at all. Show me some STATS! 11 is a stat. You just don't like my metric. If you want other information feel free to peruse this site Baseball Reference - Combined Padres Minor League Stats. You must really miss having Josh to spar with. Not really. He wouldn't acknowledge Young's strong 7 the other night. Keep working on your metrics. Without stats ya got very little. |
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Post by AztecBill on May 9, 2011 13:33:35 GMT -8
Not really. He wouldn't acknowledge Young's strong 7 the other night. Keep working on your metrics. Without stats ya got very little. Have you acknowledged Young being on the DL again. |
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Post by aztecbruce on May 10, 2011 21:52:27 GMT -8
Not really. He wouldn't acknowledge Young's strong 7 the other night. Keep working on your metrics. Without stats ya got very little. Have you acknowledged Young being on the DL again. Nope. Didn't know about it. Just got back from Vegas. Can you acknowledge these padres suck? Richard got whacked tonight. Who is next? So where's those hefty BAs etc... for all the foreignors? |
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