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Post by monty on Jul 3, 2010 15:55:56 GMT -8
Schedules going back to the last time we were .500
2009 1 mediocre to lousy BCS school, 2 WAC, 1AA
UCLA
Southern Utah
Idaho
New mExico State
2008: 1AA, Mediocre BCS School, 2 WAC
Cal Poly
Notre Dame
San Jose St.
Idaho
2007: 1 emerging BCS school, 2 mediocre bcs schools, 1AA
Washington State
ASU
Portland State
Cinnci
2006: 1 mediocre BCS school, 2 WAC (or was UTEP CUSA?-same diference) 1AA
Utep
Wisconsion
San Jose State
Cal Poly
2005 1 top flight BCS school, 1 mediocre, 2 WAC
UCLA
Ohio State
San Jose State
Hawaii
2004: 2 BCS, 1AA, 1 WAC
Idaho State
Michigan
UNR
UCLA
Upcoming: 1 BCS school, 2 WAC, 1AA
2010:
Nicholls State
New Mex St
Mizzou
Utah State
Outside of 2007, I don't see any real difference in this schedule than the others (and 07 was Chuck's best year with a whopping 4 wins!)
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 3, 2010 19:25:35 GMT -8
Schedules going back to the last time we were .500 2009 1 mediocre to lousy BCS school, 2 WAC, 1AA UCLA Southern Utah Idaho New mExico State 2008: 1AA, Mediocre BCS School, 2 WAC Cal Poly Notre Dame San Jose St. Idaho 2007: 1 emerging BCS school, 2 mediocre bcs schools, 1AA Washington State ASU Portland State Cinnci 2006: 1 mediocre BCS school, 2 WAC (or was UTEP CUSA?-same diference) 1AA Utep Wisconsion San Jose State Cal Poly 2005 1 top flight BCS school, 1 mediocre, 2 WAC UCLA Ohio State San Jose State Hawaii 2004: 2 BCS, 1AA, 1 WAC Idaho State Michigan UNR UCLA Upcoming: 1 BCS school, 2 WAC, 1AA 2010: Nicholls State New Mex St Mizzou Utah State Outside of 2007, I don't see any real difference in this schedule than the others (and 07 was Chuck's best year with a whopping 4 wins!) You think the last two years football schedules were tougher than the years you listed? Are you kidding me? |
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Post by monty on Jul 3, 2010 19:56:11 GMT -8
They are at most, outside of '07, one game difference, and 10,9, 8, 6 all look very similar.
Outside of Ohio State, Mizzou is arguably the toughest BCS opponent we've had in that stretch.
You are trying to prove that the schedules are at least two games harder as we have won 4 multiple times, 3, 2 and one season of 5 wins - since you say we should win 6 on schedule alone. To say that the schedule necessitates 2 more wins than our average/median is not born out by the difference in the schedule which has averaged a bcs team, 2 wac teams, and a 1aa school and this year, is, again, a bcs team (and a pretty decent one), 2 wac teams (one on the road where we have lost a lot during that stretch including to WAC teams) and a 1aa team (and we know how that has gone).
08 might be the easiest schedule we've had and we won 2 games that season.
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 3, 2010 20:05:09 GMT -8
They are at most, outside of '07, one game difference, and 10,9, 8, 6 all look very similar. Outside of Ohio State, Mizzou is arguably the toughest BCS opponent we've had in that stretch. You are trying to prove that the schedules are at least two games harder as we have won 4 multiple times, 3, 2 and one season of 5 wins - since you say we should win 6 on schedule alone. To say that the schedule necessitates 2 more wins than our average/median is not born out by the difference in the schedule which has averaged a bcs team, 2 wac teams, and a 1aa school and this year, is, again, a bcs team (and a pretty decent one), 2 wac teams (one on the road where we have lost a lot during that stretch including to WAC teams) and a 1aa team (and we know how that has gone). 08 might be the easiest schedule we've had and we won 2 games that season. Nice try. Do some research. This season and last season are the easiest (Out of conf. schedule) that San Diego State has had in 20-25 years. Are you comparing Nicholls State to Cal Poly? |
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Post by k5james on Jul 3, 2010 21:15:16 GMT -8
They are at most, outside of '07, one game difference, and 10,9, 8, 6 all look very similar. Outside of Ohio State, Mizzou is arguably the toughest BCS opponent we've had in that stretch. You are trying to prove that the schedules are at least two games harder as we have won 4 multiple times, 3, 2 and one season of 5 wins - since you say we should win 6 on schedule alone. To say that the schedule necessitates 2 more wins than our average/median is not born out by the difference in the schedule which has averaged a bcs team, 2 wac teams, and a 1aa school and this year, is, again, a bcs team (and a pretty decent one), 2 wac teams (one on the road where we have lost a lot during that stretch including to WAC teams) and a 1aa team (and we know how that has gone). 08 might be the easiest schedule we've had and we won 2 games that season. Nice try. Do some research. This season and last season are the easiest (Out of conf. schedule) that San Diego State has had in 20-25 years. Are you comparing Nicholls State to Cal Poly? Are you honestly trying to compare Notre Dame in '08 to Misery of 2010? You're the one who's lacking in research my friend. |
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Post by monty on Jul 4, 2010 6:59:31 GMT -8
Nice try. Do some research. This season and last season are the easiest (Out of conf. schedule) that San Diego State has had in 20-25 years. Are you comparing Nicholls State to Cal Poly? Are you honestly trying to compare Notre Dame in '08 to Misery of 2010? You're the one who's lacking in research my friend. Anything to try to make Long look good. We have had one tough schedule in the past half dozen years, the rest have had at most 2 decent schools, and as you point out, Missouri is a different level of program compared to UCLA, ASU, Notre Dame, WSU, etc. A sad state of affairs in Aztecdom when we try to parse and differentiate D1aa schools. |
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Post by monty on Jul 4, 2010 7:06:34 GMT -8
s#!++y wac/cusa schools we've lost to:
2009
@idaho
2008
@san Jose State
2007
Didn't play any, we just got beat by 20 or 30 by the bigger boys
2006
Utep
@san Jose State
2005
@hawaii
(Crushed San Jose St @home)
2004
Beat UNR at Home
Furthermore, it isn't just a tough schedule that has done us in (because we really have had only one) it is losing to every WAC team we've played on the road, getting hammered by UTEP, and losing to you know who twice.
We;ve lost to a D1aa and San Jose state twice (I wonder who was the coach then?) - any this schedule is so easy we should win more games argument is absurd.
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 4, 2010 7:38:04 GMT -8
Nice try. Do some research. This season and last season are the easiest (Out of conf. schedule) that San Diego State has had in 20-25 years. Are you comparing Nicholls State to Cal Poly? Are you honestly trying to compare Notre Dame in '08 to Misery of 2010? You're the one who's lacking in research my friend. Yes, I compare Missouri and Notre Dame. There is no way anybody can compare Nicholls State to the Cal Poly teams we played. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 4, 2010 7:44:57 GMT -8
Are you honestly trying to compare Notre Dame in '08 to Misery of 2010? You're the one who's lacking in research my friend. Anything to try to make Long look good. We have had one tough schedule in the past half dozen years, the rest have had at most 2 decent schools, and as you point out, Missouri is a different level of program compared to UCLA, ASU, Notre Dame, WSU, etc. A sad state of affairs in Aztecdom when we try to parse and differentiate D1aa schools. Sorry Monty....It is not I that is trying to do anything to make Long look good. It is you trying to do anything to make Long look bad. Fact, last season and this season are the two weakest out of conf. schedules we have played in over 25 years. |
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Post by k5james on Jul 4, 2010 8:03:56 GMT -8
Sorry Monty....It is not I that is trying to do anything to make Long look good. It is you trying to do anything to make Long look bad. Opinion, last season and this season are the two weakest out of conf. schedules we have played in over 25 years. Fixed it for you... |
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Post by k5james on Jul 4, 2010 8:08:06 GMT -8
Are you honestly trying to compare Notre Dame in '08 to Misery of 2010? You're the one who's lacking in research my friend. Yes, I compare Missouri and Notre Dame. There is no way anybody can compare Nicholls State to the Cal Poly teams we played. Comparing Missouri, an elite BCS school to Notre Dame, a bad BCS school is EXACTLY the same as comparing Nicholls State, a bad FCS school to Cal Poly an elite FCS school. Keep fighting the good fight though... |
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Post by monty on Jul 4, 2010 9:02:27 GMT -8
Yes, I compare Missouri and Notre Dame. There is no way anybody can compare Nicholls State to the Cal Poly teams we played. Comparing Missouri, an elite BCS school to Notre Dame, a bad BCS school is EXACTLY the same as comparing Nicholls State, a bad FCS school to Cal Poly an elite FCS school. Keep fighting the good fight though... And attempting to rationalize/justify/excuse/apologize for a D1 team losing twice to the same team by saying copley matrix or some computer said they were like the 90th best team in the country is absurd (and I haven't seen a link, just him using that as his whole argument and to the metric: how can you compare a team that played a couple of D1 teams, it is like saying that a triple A team beat say the Diamondbacks and that AAA team is now the 24th best team in the MLB) - the huge amount of advantages that a D1 school has over a 1aa school necessitates that even if it happens once, it should never happen twice. Let's move past the excuses for losing to a team in a lower division than you, how about losing to San Jose State twice? So, we have been in the past 4 years lost multiple times to california programs in 1aa, the WAC, and the PA10 - seems to be the schedule has never been the problem, talent level and coaching has. Let us hope that changes this year And for the record 2008's schedule was at least equally weak to this years. |
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Post by monty on Jul 4, 2010 9:08:35 GMT -8
The real point is: the schedule is weak this year, and has been most of the last few years; the team will progress and hopefully get to a bowl based on talent, hard work and coaching which will lead towards us not losing a game in both OOC and Conf. that we could have very well won.
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Post by monty on Jul 4, 2010 9:17:58 GMT -8
Anything to try to make Long look good. We have had one tough schedule in the past half dozen years, the rest have had at most 2 decent schools, and as you point out, Missouri is a different level of program compared to UCLA, ASU, Notre Dame, WSU, etc. A sad state of affairs in Aztecdom when we try to parse and differentiate D1aa schools. Sorry Monty....It is not I that is trying to do anything to make Long look good. It is you trying to do anything to make Long look bad. Long's 9-27 record and 2 road wins in 3 years do not my help to look bad |
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Post by NevadAztec on Jul 4, 2010 9:18:54 GMT -8
The 2010 recruits report next week. We are heavy on OL in this class I wonder if any will impress enough to contribute early? I guess most will redshirt to gain strength and size but I am interested to see if any will compete for starting jobs in 2011.
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 4, 2010 12:37:30 GMT -8
Sorry Monty....It is not I that is trying to do anything to make Long look good. It is you trying to do anything to make Long look bad. Long's 9-27 record and 2 road wins in 3 years do not my help to look bad Exactly and I've never defended Chuck Long as being a good head coach. I am saying that this year and last years schedule is worse than any schedule Chuck Long played (and his weren't tough). The fact that we only one 4 games with that schedule last year is HORRENDOUS and you are defending it. |
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Post by sdsuphilip on Jul 4, 2010 12:39:49 GMT -8
I would disagree with his John. It is a team game But the O-line is where it all starts. If we can't control the LOS against Nicholls State, NM State, and Utah State, then that's a bad O-line. this |
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Post by sdsuphilip on Jul 4, 2010 12:49:45 GMT -8
We played 6 bowl teams and 3 top 25 teams last year
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 4, 2010 12:53:59 GMT -8
I am saying that this year and last years schedule is worse than any schedule Chuck Long played (and his weren't tough). They were ALL easy schedules. Six of one, half dozen of the other. Was one easier than the others? Maybe, but not by much - so it doesn't really matter. No, what was horrendous was the fact that we gave away two games. Still, the team looked better prepared than they had the previous three seasons, and the players themselves admitted that in the past they'd already expect to lose games once they lost game number one. The culture of losing is a hard thing to break, but I'm convinced that Hoke and company will break it. And they doubled the team's win total from the year before, so that's another positive to look at. Progress, my friends, progress. Last year the fewest number of wins that I said I'd find remotely acceptable going into the season was 4. This year it's 5. Personally, I'd love to see 6 or 7 wins this year, but the curse of Montezuma is a tough thing to break, so I'm not expecting any miracles. Just hoping for them... |
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Post by ramrodd23 on Jul 4, 2010 13:08:22 GMT -8
Long's 9-27 record and 2 road wins in 3 years do not my help to look bad Exactly and I've never defended Chuck Long as being a good head coach. All you do is defend Long ever since he got fired. He sucked as SDSU head coach end of story. |
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