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Post by aztecwin on Mar 29, 2011 17:51:53 GMT -8
There have indeed been many problems causing the decline of the industries of the upper Middle West. Unwise policies practiced by the governments of many cities and states in that region explain at least a portion of what went wrong. By the way, I think you will find that most of the troubled big cities around the country have been governed by Democrats for generations. That cannot be a total coincidence. AzWm Okay, show me the correlation between city government being run by Democrats and the decline of those cities. Clearly you can't because all you're offering are syllogistic arguments based upon your particular brand of political ideology. Every claim you make above is offered with no substantiation at all. Please explain to me why Unwise policies practiced by the governments of many cities and states in that region explain at least a portion of what went wrong.. Sorry Will, but you're offering nothing but opinion that has no analysis to back it up. =Bob I guess you think it is all just co-incidence?  |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 29, 2011 18:56:23 GMT -8
Okay, show me the correlation between city government being run by Democrats and the decline of those cities. Clearly you can't because all you're offering are syllogistic arguments based upon your particular brand of political ideology. Every claim you make above is offered with no substantiation at all. Please explain to me why Unwise policies practiced by the governments of many cities and states in that region explain at least a portion of what went wrong.. Sorry Will, but you're offering nothing but opinion that has no analysis to back it up. =Bob I guess you think it is all just co-incidence? I guess you have an unjustified hatred of unions. And more to the point, you are unwilling to discuss land use policy outside of your hatred of unions. You really are something of a buffoon. Bet you'll kiss Bill Horn's ass up one side and down the other simply because he expresses your "property rights" ideology while he continues to allow Valley Center to be raped. =Bob |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Mar 30, 2011 6:41:17 GMT -8
Detroit is not located close to a seaport.
HAM
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Mar 30, 2011 9:42:12 GMT -8
Based upon the fact that San Diego has only had one Democratic Mayor in the last 40 years, our city government should be running as smooth as a top.
Kind of blows your theory out of the water doesn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2011 10:14:00 GMT -8
Based upon the fact that San Diego has only had one Democratic Mayor in the last 40 years, our city government should be running as smooth as a top. Kind of blows your theory out of the water doesn't it. Until recently, SD did not have a "strong mayor" and most, if not all of the political power rested with the city council and noted conservatives such as Iggy Pop Donna Fry who were/are so far in the bag for the unions it's literally criminal. Sort of blows your theory out of the water doesn't it. |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 30, 2011 12:25:04 GMT -8
I guess you think it is all just co-incidence? I guess you have an unjustified hatred of unions. And more to the point, you are unwilling to discuss land use policy outside of your hatred of unions. You really are something of a buffoon. Bet you'll kiss Bill Horn's ass up one side and down the other simply because he expresses your "property rights" ideology while he continues to allow Valley Center to be raped. =Bob It is hard to see any connection with Bill Horn on this issue. Try to get back on topic and stop frothing at the mouth.  |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 1, 2011 16:14:19 GMT -8
Based upon the fact that San Diego has only had one Democratic Mayor in the last 40 years, our city government should be running as smooth as a top. Kind of blows your theory out of the water doesn't it. Until recently, SD did not have a "strong mayor" and most, if not all of the political power rested with the city council and noted conservatives such as Iggy Pop Donna Fry who were/are so far in the bag for the unions it's literally criminal. Sort of blows your theory out of the water doesn't it. Um, no it doesn't, because if you don't understand how much the Downtown business interests control this city, you're living in a fantasy. Donna was on the losing side of most votes, often by an 8-1 vote, so I don't understand why you would bring her up. Do you actually live in the City? I'm really not sure given your apparent lack of understanding of San Diego City politics. =Bob |
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Post by tuff on Apr 1, 2011 19:40:23 GMT -8
The Japanese will rebuild that area torn up by the tsunami before Detroit ever gets a makeover. Sad, isn't it.
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 2, 2011 7:40:25 GMT -8
The Japanese will rebuild that area torn up by the tsunami before Detroit ever gets a makeover. Sad, isn't it. That is a point and train of thought that should not be lost. It is not just Japan. If some disaster were to happen in Bozeman, Montana, it would be rebuilt before anyone even swept the streets of Detroit. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 10:26:29 GMT -8
Until recently, SD did not have a "strong mayor" and most, if not all of the political power rested with the city council and noted conservatives such as Iggy Pop Donna Fry who were/are so far in the bag for the unions it's literally criminal. Sort of blows your theory out of the water doesn't it. Um, no it doesn't, because if you don't understand how much the Downtown business interests control this city, you're living in a fantasy. Donna was on the losing side of most votes, often by an 8-1 vote, so I don't understand why you would bring her up. Do you actually live in the City? I'm really not sure given your apparent lack of understanding of San Diego City politics. =Bob I guess the difference is between the City Charter combined with the facts, and your opinion. The City Charter sets forth the form of government that until recently modified by a vote, put the majority of the power in the hands of the council and the city manager. The facts show that Iggy and the other bought and paid for union water carriers SOLD OUT the taxpayers through underhanded, illegal horse trading with the pension board. The end result being unsustainable payouts to the unions that are driving the city into bankruptcy. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 2, 2011 19:52:12 GMT -8
Um, no it doesn't, because if you don't understand how much the Downtown business interests control this city, you're living in a fantasy. Donna was on the losing side of most votes, often by an 8-1 vote, so I don't understand why you would bring her up. Do you actually live in the City? I'm really not sure given your apparent lack of understanding of San Diego City politics. =Bob I guess the difference is between the City Charter combined with the facts, and your opinion. The City Charter sets forth the form of government that until recently modified by a vote, put the majority of the power in the hands of the council and the city manager. The facts show that Iggy and the other bought and paid for union water carriers SOLD OUT the taxpayers through underhanded, illegal horse trading with the pension board. The end result being unsustainable payouts to the unions that are driving the city into bankruptcy. Well, let's see here. During the time you cite, Suzie Golding was mayor and McGrory, who I think was a Republican (but either way a downtown business kiss ass), supported her when she promised all that bull$#!+ to the unions id they'd support her desire to expand the Q to make the Spanosites and the NFL happy while at the same time screwing with the retirement system in order to fund the Republican national convention here. I mean really; you want to claim Donna Frye is responsible for anything when virtually all the time she was on the losing end of 8-1 votes? What in the Hell did she ever influence other than offering how much the downtown business interests control this city to the detriment of pretty much everyone else? I will ask you again; where do you live? And I will also ask you how much time you've spent engaging in city politics, assuming you live in the city, which I doubt given your clearly North County political sentiments. Crap or get off the pot, Bunky. If you live in the city, tell me where it is and more to the point, tell me if you live in the Mid-City or in some north city 3rd ring burb. =Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 8:23:55 GMT -8
I guess the difference is between the City Charter combined with the facts, and your opinion. The City Charter sets forth the form of government that until recently modified by a vote, put the majority of the power in the hands of the council and the city manager. The facts show that Iggy and the other bought and paid for union water carriers SOLD OUT the taxpayers through underhanded, illegal horse trading with the pension board. The end result being unsustainable payouts to the unions that are driving the city into bankruptcy. Well, let's see here. During the time you cite, Suzie Golding was mayor and McGrory, who I think was a Republican (but either way a downtown business kiss ass), supported her when she promised all that bull$#!+ to the unions id they'd support her desire to expand the Q to make the Spanosites and the NFL happy while at the same time screwing with the retirement system in order to fund the Republican national convention here. I mean really; you want to claim Donna Frye is responsible for anything when virtually all the time she was on the losing end of 8-1 votes? What in the Hell did she ever influence other than offering how much the downtown business interests control this city to the detriment of pretty much everyone else? I will ask you again; where do you live? And I will also ask you how much time you've spent engaging in city politics, assuming you live in the city, which I doubt given your clearly North County political sentiments. Crap or get off the pot, Bunky. If you live in the city, tell me where it is and more to the point, tell me if you live in the Mid-City or in some north city 3rd ring burb. =Bob I live closer to downtown than you bobby, AND I've lived here longer. AND I was born here. I've known Donna since before she looked like Iggy Pop. Used to party with her and Skip back in the day. She was a stoner kook then so nothing's changed in Donna's world for a long time. Do I engage in City Politics? Are you insane? I have to work for a living so all of you Zombie Vampire Tick Leeches from Hell have somebody to pay the freight. Separated At Birth   |
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Post by inevitec on Apr 3, 2011 12:55:02 GMT -8
Well, let's see here. During the time you cite, Suzie Golding was mayor and McGrory, who I think was a Republican (but either way a downtown business kiss ass), supported her when she promised all that bull$#!+ to the unions id they'd support her desire to expand the Q to make the Spanosites and the NFL happy while at the same time screwing with the retirement system in order to fund the Republican national convention here. I mean really; you want to claim Donna Frye is responsible for anything when virtually all the time she was on the losing end of 8-1 votes? What in the Hell did she ever influence other than offering how much the downtown business interests control this city to the detriment of pretty much everyone else? I will ask you again; where do you live? And I will also ask you how much time you've spent engaging in city politics, assuming you live in the city, which I doubt given your clearly North County political sentiments. Crap or get off the pot, Bunky. If you live in the city, tell me where it is and more to the point, tell me if you live in the Mid-City or in some north city 3rd ring burb. =Bob I live closer to downtown than you bobby, AND I've lived here longer. AND I was born here. I've known Donna since before she looked like Iggy Pop. Used to party with her and Skip back in the day. She was a stoner kook then so nothing's changed in Donna's world for a long time. Do I engage in City Politics? Are you insane? I have to work for a living so all of you Zombie Vampire Tick Leeches from Hell have somebody to pay the freight. Separated At Birth "I have to work for a living so all of you Zombie Vampire Tick Leeches from Hell have somebody to pay the freight." You write just like davdesid. I wish I were a psychologist. It would be interesting to know where all the anger and hate in both of your writing styles comes from. |
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 3, 2011 15:22:43 GMT -8
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I have to work for a living so all of you Zombie Vampire Tick Leeches from Hell have somebody to pay the freight.
Are you talking about all of our military retirees as well? Their pensions are unfunded. Bob's is about 80% funded.
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 3, 2011 16:47:59 GMT -8
[quote author=afan board=np thread=12428 post=191654 time=1301847835 I have to work for a living so all of you Zombie Vampire Tick Leeches from Hell have somebody to pay the freight. Are you talking about all of our military retirees as well? Their pensions are unfunded. Bob's is about 80% funded. Why don't you see if you can get those pensions stopped or at least means tested. Might make it eaiser on the tax payers to go ahead and fund that last 20% for =Bob. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 19:18:03 GMT -8
[quote author=afan board=np thread=12428 post=191654 time=1301847835 I have to work for a living so all of you Zombie Vampire Tick Leeches from Hell have somebody to pay the freight. Are you talking about all of our military retirees as well? Their pensions are unfunded. Bob's is about 80% funded. I fully understand you leftards not wanting to debate the merits of the city and state union driven pension rape. I too would be ashamed of myself for backing such a blatant rip off of taxpayers and I too would attempt to change the subject whenever it arises. But I'll bite. ALL GOVERNMENT SPENDING ON EVERYTHING AT EVERY LEVEL NEEDS TO BE CUT. Is that clear enough for you? What the unions and the corrupt, criminal lefty politicians have done to the average working stiff NOT drawing a paycheck or pension from the bottomless well of the taxpayers pocket in this state is a crime. It needs to stop. It WILL stop one way or the other. |
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 4, 2011 7:47:48 GMT -8
[quote author=afan board=np thread=12428 post=191654 time=1301847835 I have to work for a living so all of you Zombie Vampire Tick Leeches from Hell have somebody to pay the freight. Are you talking about all of our military retirees as well? Their pensions are unfunded. Bob's is about 80% funded. Why don't you see if you can get those pensions stopped or at least means tested. Might make it eaiser on the tax payers to go ahead and fund that last 20% for =Bob. Would those pension that need to be stopped, our means tested, be ones from the federal goverment? |
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 4, 2011 7:54:44 GMT -8
[quote author=afan board=np thread=12428 post=191654 time=1301847835 I have to work for a living so all of you Zombie Vampire Tick Leeches from Hell have somebody to pay the freight. Are you talking about all of our military retirees as well? Their pensions are unfunded. Bob's is about 80% funded. I fully understand you leftards not wanting to debate the merits of the city and state union driven pension rape. I too would be ashamed of myself for backing such a blatant rip off of taxpayers and I too would attempt to change the subject whenever it arises. But I'll bite. ALL GOVERNMENT SPENDING ON EVERYTHING AT EVERY LEVEL NEEDS TO BE CUT. Is that clear enough for you? What the unions and the corrupt, criminal lefty politicians have done to the average working stiff NOT drawing a paycheck or pension from the bottomless well of the taxpayers pocket in this state is a crime. It needs to stop. It WILL stop one way or the other. Rightard, I am so pleased to see you want to see government spending cut across all levels. How much do you think aztecwin's two federal pensions should be cut? |
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 4, 2011 10:16:59 GMT -8
Why don't you see if you can get those pensions stopped or at least means tested. Might make it eaiser on the tax payers to go ahead and fund that last 20% for =Bob. Would those pension that need to be stopped, our means tested, be ones from the federal goverment? Yes, until those truly needy like City, State, and County workers and retirees feel comfortable. Those who have earned their Military and Federal pensions and also had the wisdom and foresight to save and invest a little can get along without until the crooks and slugs are taken care of.  |
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 4, 2011 11:13:16 GMT -8
Would those pension that need to be stopped, our means tested, be ones from the federal goverment? Yes, until those truly needy like City, State, and County workers and retirees feel comfortable. Those who have earned their Military and Federal pensions and also had the wisdom and foresight to save and invest a little can get along without until the crooks and slugs are taken care of. So you begrudge retired firefighters, and policemem, their pensions? Why is it that only US government employess earn their pensions, but firefighters and police are crooks and slugs? |
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