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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Feb 22, 2011 8:03:59 GMT -8
THE NUMBERS OF UNEMPLOYED ARE RISING AND HOUSE VALUES ARE STILL FALLING! To see the real unemployment, look at the "Not In The Labor Force" numbers at the Department of Labor. Don't trust the DOL to tell you the truth about unemployment, because their job is to confuse the issue as much as possible. If you are unemployed too long, they drop you from the ranks of the Unemployed and say that you are not in the workforce because you are not really looking for a job. It is so damned corrupt that now I no longer pay attention to the Official Unemployment Numbers. I just look at the "Not In The Labor Force" numbers and now note that they are under-counting the actual US population to hide a few million more people who can not find work. We are in a serious Depression and the government has been lying about it for years now. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ PERSONS NOT IN THE LABOR FORCE (WORK FORCE) 83,876,000 In January of 2010 86,168,000 In January of 2011 www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t16.htmMillions of people supposedly "DROPPED OUT OF THE WORKFORCE" and yet, the government wants us to believe that we are in RECOVERY. Ha! |
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Post by ptsdthor on Feb 22, 2011 9:02:39 GMT -8
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot."
Henry Morgenthau, Jr., New Deal Sec of the Treasury in 1939
Past is prologue it seems
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 22, 2011 12:33:59 GMT -8
It seems it took a world war to get us out of the economic mess brought on by Wall Street excess and Republican intransigence. Hope we don't need to do that again.
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Post by ptsdthor on Feb 22, 2011 14:23:23 GMT -8
That sounds about right for the depth of liberal economic solutions .. ruinous fiscal policies favoring nothing but party loyalists or go to war if that don't work.  |
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 22, 2011 15:00:47 GMT -8
That sounds about right for the depth of liberal economic solutions .. ruinous fiscal policies favoring nothing but party loyalists or go to war if that don't work. Hoping for a new world war, eh? That will sure cure the unemployment problem and get those factorys hiring again. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 22, 2011 16:33:28 GMT -8
We are in real fiscal trouble. We know what does not work, so lets move on to busting the unions strangle hold on State Budgets. That might help a little, but how about a real serious look at all spending and see what can go. This problem is not a joke!
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 22, 2011 17:07:22 GMT -8
We are in real fiscal trouble. We know what does not work, so lets move on to busting the unions strangle hold on State Budgets. That might help a little, but how about a real serious look at all spending and see what can go. This problem is not a joke! We could look at unfunded pensions.  |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 22, 2011 17:21:35 GMT -8
We are in real fiscal trouble. We know what does not work, so lets move on to busting the unions strangle hold on State Budgets. That might help a little, but how about a real serious look at all spending and see what can go. This problem is not a joke! We could look at unfunded pensions. That is right! Let's start funding from current revenue. |
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 23, 2011 13:14:40 GMT -8
We could look at unfunded pensions. That is right! Let's start funding from current revenue. Run some numbers for us on the cost. Okay? |
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Post by tuff on Feb 23, 2011 13:42:37 GMT -8
That sounds about right for the depth of liberal economic solutions .. ruinous fiscal policies favoring nothing but party loyalists or go to war if that don't work. Hoping for a new world war, eh? That will sure cure the unemployment problem and get those factorys hiring again. Happened during Vietnam. War is big business. Get over it. Who started that war??  |
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Post by tuff on Feb 23, 2011 13:43:39 GMT -8
We are in real fiscal trouble. We know what does not work, so lets move on to busting the unions strangle hold on State Budgets. That might help a little, but how about a real serious look at all spending and see what can go. This problem is not a joke! And quit paying for illegals. |
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Post by tuff on Feb 23, 2011 13:48:35 GMT -8
THE NUMBERS OF UNEMPLOYED ARE RISING AND HOUSE VALUES ARE STILL FALLING! To see the real unemployment, look at the "Not In The Labor Force" numbers at the Department of Labor. Don't trust the DOL to tell you the truth about unemployment, because their job is to confuse the issue as much as possible. If you are unemployed too long, they drop you from the ranks of the Unemployed and say that you are not in the workforce because you are not really looking for a job. It is so damned corrupt that now I no longer pay attention to the Official Unemployment Numbers. I just look at the "Not In The Labor Force" numbers and now note that they are under-counting the actual US population to hide a few million more people who can not find work. We are in a serious Depression and the government has been lying about it for years now. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ PERSONS NOT IN THE LABOR FORCE (WORK FORCE) 83,876,000 In January of 2010 86,168,000 In January of 2011 www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t16.htmMillions of people supposedly "DROPPED OUT OF THE WORKFORCE" and yet, the government wants us to believe that we are in RECOVERY. Ha! What were the actual unemplyment numbers during the Depression? I think they were quite a bit higher. I remember my grandmother telling me the whole world was rationing everything from gas to food to ordinary supplies. |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 26, 2011 8:24:55 GMT -8
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot." Henry Morgenthau, Jr., New Deal Sec of the Treasury in 1939 Past is prologue it seems When was this country most prosperous? What were taxes and union representation like at that time? Certainly one would want to reproduce those conditions. Conservatives are specially enamored with recycling past failures, why not support a past success for a change? You want the country to be prosperous, so long as someone else is paying for it, either in taxes or sacrifice. Unfortunately, its more complicated than that. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 26, 2011 9:19:15 GMT -8
That is right! Let's start funding from current revenue. Run some numbers for us on the cost. Okay? Do you think it is right to recognize the cost as it is incurred or are you, like most selfish liberals, willing to let their kids and grandkids worry about the cost? |
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 26, 2011 15:18:01 GMT -8
Run some numbers for us on the cost. Okay? Do you think it is right to recognize the cost as it is incurred or are you, like most selfish liberals, willing to let their kids and grandkids worry about the cost? You are perfectly willing to let your children and grandchildren pay for your pensions. You seem like a selfish conservative to me. I am perfectly fine with recognizing the cost of unfunded federal pensions. You are the one who denys the numbers that I posted for a pension that had no COLAs. You have told us that your pension has tripled since you retired. Wow, that would have cost way more than the 200K that I computed for a fixed pension. Hope you thank your children and grandchildren every time you see them. You ragged about Bob's County pension. It, at least, is 80% funded. Yours is 0% funded. You are part of the problem, and don't want to be part of the solution. Typical conservative. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 26, 2011 15:54:58 GMT -8
Do you think it is right to recognize the cost as it is incurred or are you, like most selfish liberals, willing to let their kids and grandkids worry about the cost? You are perfectly willing to let your children and grandchildren pay for your pensions. You seem like a selfish conservative to me. I am perfectly fine with recognizing the cost of unfunded federal pensions. You are the one who denys the numbers that I posted for a pension that had no COLAs. You have told us that your pension has tripled since you retired. Wow, that would have cost way more than the 200K that I computed for a fixed pension. Hope you thank your children and grandchildren every time you see them. You ragged about Bob's County pension. It, at least, is 80% funded. Yours is 0% funded. You are part of the problem, and don't want to be part of the solution. Typical conservative. My question, is why don't you advocate fixing it? That is what I do and all I get from you (and Bob) is some kind of snarky and envious flack. You guys are the problem. By the way, don't be late sending in your quarterly tax payment. The Golf Course and Patron need your money. I gladly serve as the conduit. |
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 26, 2011 16:41:09 GMT -8
You are perfectly willing to let your children and grandchildren pay for your pensions. You seem like a selfish conservative to me. I am perfectly fine with recognizing the cost of unfunded federal pensions. You are the one who denys the numbers that I posted for a pension that had no COLAs. You have told us that your pension has tripled since you retired. Wow, that would have cost way more than the 200K that I computed for a fixed pension. Hope you thank your children and grandchildren every time you see them. You ragged about Bob's County pension. It, at least, is 80% funded. Yours is 0% funded. You are part of the problem, and don't want to be part of the solution. Typical conservative. My question, is why don't you advocate fixing it? That is what I do and all I get from you (and Bob) is some kind of snarky and envious flack. You guys are the problem. By the way, don't be late sending in your quarterly tax payment. The Golf Course and Patron need your money. I gladly serve as the conduit. Just how do you advocate fixing your unfunded pension? Tell all future employees of the Federal government that they will no longer have defined benefit pensions? That they will have defined contribution pensions? Advocate that current retirees accept smaller pensions, no COLAs, or both? Raise taxes so that your pension is not unfunded? Tell us what your solution is. I'm the problem? Is it that I have pointed out that your pensions are unfunded liablitys of our government? That future generations are on the hook for your pensions? When I point this out you cry and moan that your recruiter promised you. Somehow I think the most important promise to a 17 year old aztecwin was a bus ticket out of Montana. Tell us why when you sold that very successful business, so you say, that you did not exercise some more of your business acumen and entrepreneurial spirit and start a new business? Why did you scurry back to Uncle Sugar for the next 25 years of your life? Did government tit taste that good to you? Oh, I remember, you wanted to have fun. I guess drinking coffee on the government's dollar is a lot of fun, huh? |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 26, 2011 17:06:06 GMT -8
My question, is why don't you advocate fixing it? That is what I do and all I get from you (and Bob) is some kind of snarky and envious flack. You guys are the problem. By the way, don't be late sending in your quarterly tax payment. The Golf Course and Patron need your money. I gladly serve as the conduit. Just how do you advocate fixing your unfunded pension? Tell all future employees of the Federal government that they will no longer have defined benefit pensions? That they will have defined contribution pensions? Advocate that current retirees accept smaller pensions, no COLAs, or both? Raise taxes so that your pension is not unfunded? Tell us what your solution is. I'm the problem? Is it that I have pointed out that your pensions are unfunded liablitys of our government? That future generations are on the hook for your pensions? When I point this out you cry and moan that your recruiter promised you. Somehow I think the most important promise to a 17 year old aztecwin was a bus ticket out of Montana. Tell us why when you sold that very successful business, so you say, that you did not exercise some more of your business acumen and entrepreneurial spirit and start a new business? Why did you scurry back to Uncle Sugar for the next 25 years of your life? Did government tit taste that good to you? Oh, I remember, you wanted to have fun. I guess drinking coffee on the government's dollar is a lot of fun, huh? That post just drips with envy. You could have done as well with a little more smarts. Liberal dip-sticks just refuse to see a better way. I would take a smaller pension. Maybe means testing is a way to go. Have you sent your quarterly payment in? |
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 26, 2011 17:37:10 GMT -8
Just how do you advocate fixing your unfunded pension? Tell all future employees of the Federal government that they will no longer have defined benefit pensions? That they will have defined contribution pensions? Advocate that current retirees accept smaller pensions, no COLAs, or both? Raise taxes so that your pension is not unfunded? Tell us what your solution is. I'm the problem? Is it that I have pointed out that your pensions are unfunded liablitys of our government? That future generations are on the hook for your pensions? When I point this out you cry and moan that your recruiter promised you. Somehow I think the most important promise to a 17 year old aztecwin was a bus ticket out of Montana. Tell us why when you sold that very successful business, so you say, that you did not exercise some more of your business acumen and entrepreneurial spirit and start a new business? Why did you scurry back to Uncle Sugar for the next 25 years of your life? Did government tit taste that good to you? Oh, I remember, you wanted to have fun. I guess drinking coffee on the government's dollar is a lot of fun, huh? That post just drips with envy. You could have done as well with a little more smarts. Liberal dip-sticks just refuse to see a better way. I would take a smaller pension. Maybe means testing is a way to go. Have you sent your quarterly payment in? I figured there was no chance of you answering any questions. When you see your grandkids kiss them and say, "Thank you for the golf and the booze I had today". |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 27, 2011 7:55:43 GMT -8
That post just drips with envy. You could have done as well with a little more smarts. Liberal dip-sticks just refuse to see a better way. I would take a smaller pension. Maybe means testing is a way to go. Have you sent your quarterly payment in? I figured there was no chance of you answering any questions. When you see your grandkids kiss them and say, "Thank you for the golf and the booze I had today". Keep you quarterly check coming. I want to take a vacation to Hawaii and take my grandkids. I am sure they will live and work in a changed world where things are funded as they become obligated. |
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