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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 27, 2011 8:46:46 GMT -8
I think Miners22 has a very valid point, although I disagree with him that Jimmer is just like anyone else in the nation.
I thought Tapley or Billy White would be on Jimmer all the game. And Miners is right, Fredette showed a weak spot when doubled. He turned the ball over.
I can't wait for the next game with BYU.
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Post by martinsohikish on Jan 27, 2011 8:49:20 GMT -8
I think you don't put Gay on Fredette because Gay is a bad defender, but because we need him to run the offense and play virtually all 40 minutes. I think DJ was totally gassed all night trying to keep Jimmer under control, and that was a big reason why he never got much going offensively. Agree, definitely seemed pretty obvious that all our players were having issues with the altitude a few minutes in...DJ did his best.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 27, 2011 8:59:22 GMT -8
It was a Huge gamble to put D.J. on Jimmer for that amount of time. It took away from DJ's offense, because that became his focus, to stop Jimmer.
Sort of like the same reason why pitchers in baseball only pitch, and not hit. It takes too much concentration to pitch, and can become a distraction to hit.
So DJ used all of his energy on defense, and worried about Jimmer the whole game, and couldn't concentrate on his offense.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 27, 2011 10:07:06 GMT -8
For the return game, I think it has to be an all-hands-on-deck vs. Jimmer... guard him all-out, end line to end line, deny him the ball, stay up in his grill. 125% the whole time. But no human can do that for very long, so...
Tapley guards him for 2 mins. Then DJ for 2 mins. Then Rahon for 2 mins. Then J Franklin. Then BW. Then KL. Sub in people liberally just to defend Jimmer. Guard as hard as possible with maximum effort for 90-120 second, then switch off and have someone else take him
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 27, 2011 10:21:08 GMT -8
It was a Huge gamble to put D.J. on Jimmer for that amount of time. It took away from DJ's offense, because that became his focus, to stop Jimmer. Sort of like the same reason why pitchers in baseball only pitch, and not hit. It takes too much concentration to pitch, and can become a distraction to hit. So DJ used all of his energy on defense, and worried about Jimmer the whole game, and couldn't concentrate on his offense. And that was a killer John. DJ had only 2 points and was exhausted in the 2nd half.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jan 27, 2011 10:47:10 GMT -8
Tapley guards him for 2 mins. Then DJ for 2 mins. Then Rahon for 2 mins. Then J Franklin. Then BW. Then KL. Sub in people liberally just to defend Jimmer. Guard as hard as possible with maximum effort for 90-120 second, then switch off and have someone else take him Like Fisher said at the luncheon the other day, "Write any ideas on how to guard Fredette on the back of your napkins and pass them up front to me."
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Post by AztecPhil on Jan 27, 2011 11:01:09 GMT -8
From the games I have seen Tapley is a better defender than Gay. Not a dig on DJ, just what I observed. DJ is currently a better offensive player, but I suspect Chase will be better and better over the next couple of years.
Yes, we could try to out coach Fisher and say one thing or another, or we can go to the other extreme and say Chase did not stop Fredette on a couple of plays and say that is the reason why we lost the game. It is not! We lost because we did not get it done offensively in the second half.
Fisher's strategy in this game was to take the offense away from the supporting BYU players and force them to beat us as a one man team. Tapley's role was to shut Jackson down and he did a great job of that. Gay's role was to harass Fredette and even though he dropped 43 on us the strategy was good, so long as we shoot better than 25% in the second half.
Remember, prior to this game, BYU was averaging 85.2 points per game, so our defensive effort forced them to win scoring 14 points less than they averaged in the past. Yet, in basketball, the name of the game is to put the ball into the net more times than your opponent, and though we took six more shots than they did from the field, we dropped in three less baskets from the field.
Let's concentrate on beating Wyoming at home on Saturday and eventually be the same hosts to BYU at home as they were to us in the end of February.
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Post by sdoc on Jan 27, 2011 11:12:01 GMT -8
Agree. Chase should get the call next time.
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Post by azterick on Jan 27, 2011 11:27:02 GMT -8
It would have been nice to have Tyrone Shelly still on the team for last night's game. He would have had the length and athleticism to better defend Fredette.
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 27, 2011 13:24:20 GMT -8
First of all, BYU deserves credit for sticking to their game plan ( give the ball to Fredette and allow him to take all the shots)! Aztecs Coaching Staff has watched Fredette and BYU's offensive and defensive schemes for at least the last four years. So, why put your weakest defender on the Nation and Conference leading scorer? And, to add insult to injury, why would you continue to allow your weakest defender guard Fredette after he scores all of his team's points? Why not double-team/trap Fredette and get the ball out of his hand? WOW! It was a great revelation to put Aztecs best defensive player, Billy White, on Fredette, but it was too late! As poorly as the Aztecs played, they still had chances to win the game. Hopefully, this game will be a learning experience for the Aztecs players and Coaching Staff because I guarantee you that BYU is going to contend for the League and Tournament Titles! Miners22...Wouldn't this defensive decision fall on the shoulders of Justin Hutson?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 27, 2011 14:42:53 GMT -8
I know this is just coulda, shoulda, woulda, cr@p but correct me if I'm wrong. The X factor Xavier Thames is on the bench, if Thames actually accepts Fisher's scholarship offer he's playing last night & most likely frees up DJ on Fredette? Y/N?
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 27, 2011 14:44:03 GMT -8
I know this is just coulda, shoulda, woulda, cr@p but correct me if I'm wrong. The X factor Xavier Thames is on the bench, if Thames actually accepts Fisher's scholarship offer he's playing last night & most likely frees up DJ on Fredette? Y/N? I hear X is one hell of a defensive player and at 6-3 would cause some problems.
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Post by Aztec Empire on Jan 27, 2011 14:55:41 GMT -8
Did anyone notice that Emery, a GREAT 3 point shooter, was held to 0 points through 3/4 of the game? Care to guess who was guarding him for the vast majority?
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 27, 2011 14:56:54 GMT -8
Did anyone notice that Emery, a GREAT 3 point shooter, was held to 0 points through 3/4 of the game? Care to guess who was guarding him for the vast majority? Yeppers.
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Post by Hank on Jan 27, 2011 15:01:46 GMT -8
Yeah, but regardless we lost this game b/c we couldn't score. What was it? 11 mins without a FG? Ridiculous.
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Post by azson on Jan 27, 2011 15:05:20 GMT -8
AP: "so long as we shoot better than 25% in the second half."
Phil nailed it. Regardless if you're playing Jimmer or not, tough to win if you shoot 25%. e.g., we lose @ UNM if we shoot 25% in the 2nd half of that game.
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Post by aztecgold on Jan 27, 2011 18:37:59 GMT -8
Fredette's unguardable. Billy did a great job on Fredette for two minutes, then he was so gassed, he asked out of the game. Jimmer is just a freak. Dude is the best college hoops player (non-big man) I've seen in maybe a decade. Maybe more. Kemba and Sullinger are both very good. But Jimmer is just on another planet. Exactly! Why would you put DJ on Jimmer when he is the most important player on the team and usually plays 40 minutes. Now he has to guard Jimmer at altitude. He was so tired he had no offense and we needed his three point shot. We should have played a triangle and two since Davies ripped a hole in Thomas as well. Those two players shot over 60%. Also I think Fisher was afraid to use his bench and subsequently the team was gassed in the second half.
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Post by aztech on Jan 27, 2011 19:09:15 GMT -8
Now is the time for Fisher to start breaking in the Franklins. We'll be facing some teams where he can take the training wheels off. They're taller than Gay and LeBradford is super quick. The main reason is to get them ready to guard Fredette in the next game. They don't have to score as long as they torment him for 40 minutes. That'll take a toll on him.
Emery won't be a threat due to Tapley.
We know Leonard is going to play great, but Thomas and White have to play with power. They'll have to take it to BYU's tall statues because the refs are letting teams play this year. If they revert to their usual finesse game it'll be a repeat of last night.
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Post by aztecfan on Jan 27, 2011 19:11:07 GMT -8
one thing I would have like to see more of is when the Aztecs had the ball make Jimmer defend. Jimmer was guarding Chase so either put the ball in Chase's hand and have him penetrate of the dribble or at least have Chase do a lot of false motion to make jimmer move. The dribble drive (which Chase had a really nice drive) can also cause Jimmer to foul.
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Post by miners22 on Jan 27, 2011 22:01:35 GMT -8
Generally, Coach make adjustments during the course of the game. To sit and watch a player "torch" your team and not make any adjustments is beyond my comprehension! Yes, I believe that Asst. Coach Hutson is primarily responsible for Aztecs defensive schemes.
If you re-call, St. Mary's v. Aztecs game last season, St. Mary's guard, McConnell torched our guards in an embarrassing loss on ESPN. When Aztecs played St. Mary's this season, Aztecs defensive strategy going in was to "trap" McConnell coming off screens and not allow him to get open looks. Aztecs executed defensive scheme to perfection and frustrated McConnell the entire game.
Aztecs Coaching Staff knew that Fredette was going to take "all of the his team's shots." So, it seems to me that if Fredette is not allowed to "get off", what will his teammates do? What will Fredette do when he is not allowed to "get off"? NBA Players who make MILLIONS DOLLARS a year get doubled-team. And, you expect me to accept the fact that a non-professional basketball player cannot be doubled-team and/or trapped?
And, if Fredette is going to shoot from any spot on the Court, heck, play a Zone! By playing a Zone, your players are not running around on the Court chasing Fredette, getting silly fouls and being out of position to rebound. Has Fisher and his Coaching Staff ever heard of a 3-2 Zone? Match-UP Zone? 1-2-2 Zone; a Box and 1 Zone?
Contrary to what you may think about my comments, I want San Diego State to win every freaking game! And it pains me when "my favorite team" does not make adjustments when they are being exploited by their opponent. Case in point. I believe I was watching the Notre Dame v. Temple game. ND was playing an agressive man to man defense against Temple, which is a highly athlectic team with slashing gaurds and explosive bigs.
Temple was having its way with ND in the paint, and driving the lane for layups. ND Coach (Brey) called timeout. After the time- out, ND came out in a Zone. Temple took three of four shots and missed them all! ND played Zone the entire game because Temple players could not shoot! I am not stating that BYU players cannot shoot because that is one of their strengths. One thing that we do know about BYU is that Fredette is going to "take all the shots." You take the ball out of Fredette's hands, and let's see how good his supproting cast responds!
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