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Post by aztecmusician on May 30, 2023 8:46:42 GMT -8
The Dodger rotation includes Kershaw, Urias, Gonsolin, May, Buehler….all terrific pitchers from their own system. The Padre pitching prospects from the past few seasons just don’t measure up to that, if you think they do you are insane. The Dodger position players….same thing. Players are promoted and they produce. The Padres promote someone and they hit .170…..call it the Rizzo/Hedges syndrome. That’s why the SD lineup is loaded with free agents and traded for players, the guys they call up from their system don’t produce, Tatis being the exception. The Padres farm system is overrated. It's true the Padres use their Farm System as trades for obtaining established players a lot of the time. It worked for last year, although we didn't get the ultimate prize. We'll have to see if that formula works for this year, as well. It's still early. We can get into the playoffs, or still win the division. Small market teams need to lean on their farm systems more than large market teams. I’m still a little mystified as to why established veteran players the Padres mortgage their farm system for hit 40 points lower than their previous teams And JSYK Ryan, I keep busy with business, family, friends…..dealing with your inane thoughts is very low on my priorities.
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2023 8:54:56 GMT -8
The Dodger rotation includes Kershaw, Urias, Gonsolin, May, Buehler….all terrific pitchers from their own system. The Padre pitching prospects from the past few seasons just don’t measure up to that, if you think they do you are insane. The Dodger position players….same thing. Players are promoted and they produce. The Padres promote someone and they hit .170…..call it the Rizzo/Hedges syndrome. That’s why the SD lineup is loaded with free agents and traded for players, the guys they call up from their own system don’t produce, Tatis being the exception. The Padres farm system is overrated. An aging Kershaw, three pitchers who are hurt, another one who just came back from being hurt. Brilliance. Oddly enough, you get zero points for homegrown players. Oddly enough, the Dodgers were running $200+M payrolls while the Padres were running "something in the 4's" so disingenuously comparing resources and player development (which the Dodgers have done for well over the past 15+ years) is silly. I notice you didn't mention any Arizona players, probably because that narrative doesn't exist. Total logical fallacy.
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2023 8:56:03 GMT -8
It's true the Padres use their Farm System as trades for obtaining established players a lot of the time. It worked for last year, although we didn't get the ultimate prize. We'll have to see if that formula works for this year, as well. It's still early. We can get into the playoffs, or still win the division. Small market teams need to lean on their farm systems more than large market teams. I’m still a little mystified as to why established veteran players the Padres mortgage their farm system for hit 40 points lower than their previous teams And JSYK Ryan, I keep busy with business, family, friends…..dealing with your inane thoughts is very low on my priorities. I mean, you don't have an argument and consistently run away when asked basic questions, so I'd stay busy, too. It's better than whatever you're trying to accomplish here.
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Post by johneaztec on May 30, 2023 8:58:41 GMT -8
It's true the Padres use their Farm System as trades for obtaining established players a lot of the time. It worked for last year, although we didn't get the ultimate prize. We'll have to see if that formula works for this year, as well. It's still early. We can get into the playoffs, or still win the division. Small market teams need to lean on their farm systems more than large market teams. I’m still a little mystified as to why established veteran players the Padres mortgage their farm system for hit 40 points lower than their previous teams And JSYK Ryan, I keep busy with business, family, friends…..dealing with your inane thoughts is very low on my priorities. Yes, it does seem as though the Padres have a track record with some of the guys that they trade and then going off with other teams, and then some of the great players they get, stumble when they get here. Last year was electrifying, and Preller made some great trades. Like I said, I'm still optimistic about this year. I'll make my own personal analysis of this team at the half way point/All Star break.
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2023 8:58:55 GMT -8
It's true the Padres use their Farm System as trades for obtaining established players a lot of the time. It worked for last year, although we didn't get the ultimate prize. We'll have to see if that formula works for this year, as well. It's still early. We can get into the playoffs, or still win the division. Small market teams need to lean on their farm systems more than large market teams. I’m still a little mystified as to why established veteran players the Padres mortgage their farm system for hit 40 points lower than their previous teams And JSYK Ryan, I keep busy with business, family, friends…..dealing with your inane thoughts is very low on my priorities. The Padres aren't a small market team. Stop using outdated media market metrics. Fifth in attendance last season, fifth in attendance this season. They have PLENTY of money. This isn't the Pirates or the Orioles.
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2023 9:00:17 GMT -8
Small market teams need to lean on their farm systems more than large market teams. I’m still a little mystified as to why established veteran players the Padres mortgage their farm system for hit 40 points lower than their previous teams And JSYK Ryan, I keep busy with business, family, friends…..dealing with your inane thoughts is very low on my priorities. Yes, it does seem as though the Padres have a track record with some of the guys that they trade and then going off with other teams, and the some of the great players they get, stumble when they get here. Last year was electrifying, and like I said, I'm still optimistic about this year. I'll make my own personal analysis of this team at the half way point/All Star break. This narrative is a bit overblown, too. I don't think there's a single player the Padres have traded away recently that makes this team markedly better.
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Post by johneaztec on May 30, 2023 9:01:26 GMT -8
Yes, it does seem as though the Padres have a track record with some of the guys that they trade and then going off with other teams, and the some of the great players they get, stumble when they get here. Last year was electrifying, and like I said, I'm still optimistic about this year. I'll make my own personal analysis of this team at the half way point/All Star break. This narrative is a bit overblown, too. I don't think there's a single player the Padres have traded away recently that makes this team markedly better. I wasn't necessarily saying very recently. I'm talking about overall. This may happen to many teams, but you notice it more when it happens to YOUR team.
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2023 9:06:29 GMT -8
This narrative is a bit overblown, too. I don't think there's a single player the Padres have traded away recently that makes this team markedly better. I wasn't necessarily saying very recently. I'm talking about overall. This may happen to many teams, but you notice it more when it happens to YOUR team. Nothing before the Preller era should be seriously considered. Really nothing since 2019 should be considered after the last owner-generated rebuild. Previous regimes weren't trying to win or even be competitive, so those comparisons are worthless. Player development was nonexistent. Might as well be this year's Oakland.
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Post by johneaztec on May 30, 2023 10:17:09 GMT -8
I wasn't necessarily saying very recently. I'm talking about overall. This may happen to many teams, but you notice it more when it happens to YOUR team. Nothing before the Preller era should be seriously considered. Really nothing since 2019 should be considered after the last owner-generated rebuild. Previous regimes weren't trying to win or even be competitive, so those comparisons are worthless. Player development was nonexistent. Might as well be this year's Oakland. Yeah, definitely not bagging on Preller. I'm personally very happy with Seidler and Preller's aggressive approach at trying to obtain a winner.
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Post by aztecmusician on May 30, 2023 14:03:07 GMT -8
Yes, it does seem as though the Padres have a track record with some of the guys that they trade and then going off with other teams, and the some of the great players they get, stumble when they get here. Last year was electrifying, and like I said, I'm still optimistic about this year. I'll make my own personal analysis of this team at the half way point/All Star break. This narrative is a bit overblown, too. I don't think there's a single player the Padres have traded away recently that makes this team markedly better. Which basically proves my point Burt Ward. Over the past 4-5 seasons: Hunter Renfroe, Franchey Cordero, Xavier Edwards, Chris Paddock, The Franimal, Luis Urias, Taylor Trammell, Logan Allen, Makenzie Gore, Cal Quantrill, CJ Abrams, Ty France, Joey Luchessi, Josh Naylor, Eric Lauer. Hedges, Francisco Mejia. If these guys didn’t “fit the team’s dynamics” and needed to be traded away, then why were they in the organization in the first place?? Doesn’t this team know what to look for? Apparently not. None of the current team’s everyday players (except Tatis) came up through their ranks. I’m glad the ownership has opened up the checkbook, they kind of needed to after giving up on so many young players. BTW, I dislike the Dodgers, but they have the saavy to develop their younger players into All Stars and future HOF guys. I have to respect that.
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2023 14:37:20 GMT -8
This narrative is a bit overblown, too. I don't think there's a single player the Padres have traded away recently that makes this team markedly better. Which basically proves my point Burt Ward. Over the past 4-5 seasons: Hunter Renfroe, Franchey Cordero, Xavier Edwards, Chris Paddock, The Franimal, Luis Urias, Taylor Trammell, Logan Allen, Makenzie Gore, Cal Quantrill, CJ Abrams, Ty France, Joey Luchessi, Josh Naylor, Eric Lauer. Hedges, Francisco Mejia. If these guys didn’t “fit the team’s dynamics” and needed to be traded away, then why were they in the organization in the first place?? Doesn’t this team know what to look for? Apparently not. None of the current team’s everyday players (except Tatis) came up through their ranks. I’m glad the ownership has opened up the checkbook, they kind of needed to after giving up on so many young players. BTW, I dislike the Dodgers, but they have the saavy to develop their younger players into All Stars and future HOF guys. I have to respect that. This can't be a serious argument. First, you're combining more than one group of players. Second, you're combining a rebuilding era with a rebuilt era, before the infusion of payroll and before Seidler assumed control of the team. The objectives were and are completely different. Just basic facts. Why were good prospects like Gore on the team? Uh, well, you don't acquire Juan Soto every day of the week, so I'm glad he was? 95% of that list was used to better the franchise, which is the only thing that matters. I could care less where the players come from, the homegrown argument is stupid and it makes no difference. The Dodgers traded for Betts, signed Freeman, signed Martinez, signed Muncy, etc. The goal is to win. The Dodgers have the money and resources and they've been a postseason failure for 35 years. Good luck with that.
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Post by aztecmusician on May 30, 2023 16:14:29 GMT -8
Which basically proves my point Burt Ward. Over the past 4-5 seasons: Hunter Renfroe, Franchey Cordero, Xavier Edwards, Chris Paddock, The Franimal, Luis Urias, Taylor Trammell, Logan Allen, Makenzie Gore, Cal Quantrill, CJ Abrams, Ty France, Joey Luchessi, Josh Naylor, Eric Lauer. Hedges, Francisco Mejia. If these guys didn’t “fit the team’s dynamics” and needed to be traded away, then why were they in the organization in the first place?? Doesn’t this team know what to look for? Apparently not. None of the current team’s everyday players (except Tatis) came up through their ranks. I’m glad the ownership has opened up the checkbook, they kind of needed to after giving up on so many young players. BTW, I dislike the Dodgers, but they have the saavy to develop their younger players into All Stars and future HOF guys. I have to respect that. This can't be a serious argument. First, you're combining more than one group of players. Second, you're combining a rebuilding era with a rebuilt era, before the infusion of payroll and before Seidler assumed control of the team. The objectives were and are completely different. Just basic facts. Why were good prospects like Gore on the team? Uh, well, you don't acquire Juan Soto every day of the week, so I'm glad he was? 95% of that list was used to better the franchise, which is the only thing that matters. I could care less where the players come from, the homegrown argument is stupid and it makes no difference. The Dodgers traded for Betts, signed Freeman, signed Martinez, signed Muncy, etc. The goal is to win. The Dodgers have the money and resources and they've been a postseason failure for 35 years. Good luck with that. I can’t believe you are arguing this point, dementia is beginning to haunt you. Dodgers: Since moving to LA in 57…….27 playoff appearances 6 World Series wins…..including one in 2020. Padres: Since becoming a MLB franchise in 69……..7 playoff appearances 0 World Series wins. I hear lithium helps.
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2023 16:25:32 GMT -8
This can't be a serious argument. First, you're combining more than one group of players. Second, you're combining a rebuilding era with a rebuilt era, before the infusion of payroll and before Seidler assumed control of the team. The objectives were and are completely different. Just basic facts. Why were good prospects like Gore on the team? Uh, well, you don't acquire Juan Soto every day of the week, so I'm glad he was? 95% of that list was used to better the franchise, which is the only thing that matters. I could care less where the players come from, the homegrown argument is stupid and it makes no difference. The Dodgers traded for Betts, signed Freeman, signed Martinez, signed Muncy, etc. The goal is to win. The Dodgers have the money and resources and they've been a postseason failure for 35 years. Good luck with that. I can’t believe you are arguing this point, dementia is beginning to haunt you. Dodgers: Since moving to LA in 57…….27 playoff appearances 6 World Series wins…..including one in 2020. Padres: Since becoming a MLB franchise in 69……..7 playoff appearances 0 World Series wins. I hear lithium helps. So does basic comprehension, as you just keep shifting arguments, anyway. Ignoring the monumental built-in advantages LA has seems pretty hollow. We've gone from the "farm system is overrated" to "only homegrown players matter." Pick a lane.
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Post by aztecmusician on May 30, 2023 18:04:08 GMT -8
The Pads farm system is overrated because the players in the system generally go on to have mediocre careers. Of the 17 players who I mentioned earlier only Ty France has an all star appearance.
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2023 18:41:03 GMT -8
The Pads farm system is overrated because the players in the system generally go on to have mediocre careers. Of the 17 players who I mentioned earlier only Ty France has an all star appearance. Because a large majority of those players are either prospects or were players on a rebuilding club.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2023 13:52:19 GMT -8
Any thought to giving Rivas a callup? It would be nice to have a high OBP bat How right you were. Rivas is up. Azocar down. Manny returns.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 2, 2023 18:03:58 GMT -8
Any thought to giving Rivas a callup? It would be nice to have a high OBP bat How right you were. Rivas is up. Azocar down. Manny returns. Was wondering how Rivas came up--then I saw that Campusano went to the 60-day IL.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2023 20:31:30 GMT -8
How right you were. Rivas is up. Azocar down. Manny returns. Was wondering how Rivas came up--then I saw that Campusano went to the 60-day IL. Yeah, he's 6-8 weeks away at a minimum. Made sense.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 4, 2023 14:03:40 GMT -8
Preller is really good at identifying talent actually. If you're going to critique him, go after him for some of the iffy trades that he's made (the second basemen from the Pirates, that was a bad trade, maybe the Nola trade, and.. we paid a steep price for Clev and Snell, maybe we overpaid - although the FA market for starting pitching was dry if I remember correctly, and we needed arms coming out of COVID) AM won't respond for days (if at all, considering his posts in other parts of this board) but that "talentless hack" used Robert Hassell, MacKenzie Gore, James Wood, CJ Abrams and Jarlin Susana (all top two round draft picks or international signees) to trade for the best hitter of this generation. Considering the list of players he used, it's pretty clear he's 135 years old and has no idea how baseball has evolved since Robert Alomar, Dave Winfield and others retired a century ago. Regarding trades, you win some and you lose some. Musgrove deal was great, Darvish deal was great, Snell deal was fine (literally none of those guys have done much, Wilcox had TJ surgery and Patiño has struggled to stay healthy and productive)...When you trade an entire top 30 plus more, you're going to swing and miss on a few guys. "None of the recent heralded Padres have done anything with the club?" Well yeah, they were used to fill the roster with established pros, which is what teams in "win now" mode do and should do every time. The guys they've called up aren't premium prospects, they are filler pieces because you have established stars at the top of your lineup. Also, nobody on this planet thought Taylor Trammell was the next Acuña. Might be the funniest thing I've ever heard. Ryan Weathers looks like a bona fide MLB starter now with the changes made to his pitching arsenal. Steven Wilson has been one of the better relievers in the National League for 95% of the season, when he was driving for Uber a couple of years ago. Offensively is where they've struggled, but every single person in San Diego would have looked at the preseason lineup and taken it happily. At some point, the players have to produce a little bit. I don't know about Weathers being a bona fide starter now. Just when you think he may have made some strides, he pitches he's like this. Sheesh. And, he wasn't that great the outing before this game. Too inconsistent. I hope he can find some consistency before it's too late for him as a starter.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 4, 2023 17:48:55 GMT -8
AM won't respond for days (if at all, considering his posts in other parts of this board) but that "talentless hack" used Robert Hassell, MacKenzie Gore, James Wood, CJ Abrams and Jarlin Susana (all top two round draft picks or international signees) to trade for the best hitter of this generation. Considering the list of players he used, it's pretty clear he's 135 years old and has no idea how baseball has evolved since Robert Alomar, Dave Winfield and others retired a century ago. Regarding trades, you win some and you lose some. Musgrove deal was great, Darvish deal was great, Snell deal was fine (literally none of those guys have done much, Wilcox had TJ surgery and Patiño has struggled to stay healthy and productive)...When you trade an entire top 30 plus more, you're going to swing and miss on a few guys. "None of the recent heralded Padres have done anything with the club?" Well yeah, they were used to fill the roster with established pros, which is what teams in "win now" mode do and should do every time. The guys they've called up aren't premium prospects, they are filler pieces because you have established stars at the top of your lineup. Also, nobody on this planet thought Taylor Trammell was the next Acuña. Might be the funniest thing I've ever heard. Ryan Weathers looks like a bona fide MLB starter now with the changes made to his pitching arsenal. Steven Wilson has been one of the better relievers in the National League for 95% of the season, when he was driving for Uber a couple of years ago. Offensively is where they've struggled, but every single person in San Diego would have looked at the preseason lineup and taken it happily. At some point, the players have to produce a little bit. I don't know about Weathers being a bona fide starter now. Just when you think he may have made some strides, he pitches he's like this. Sheesh. And, he wasn't that great the outing before this game. Too inconsistent. I hope he can find some consistency before it's too late for him as a starter. I don't do recency bias, as you know. He's 23. We are nowhere near "too late."
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