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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2023 21:06:52 GMT -8
It's not up for debate. He struggled last year and he's struggled through 44 games this year on a historically underperforming offense. The two years prior he was fine. Why is it when it's a player you want to denigrate it's an excuse, but when it's someone you want to give a pass to, it's a reason? Again, recency bias. You're seeing an 0-4 with 4 K's and 9 LOB and absolving the entire team for being terrible at the same thing. .766 OPS with runners in scoring position in 2022 across the entire regular season, 134 plate appearances. Runner on third, less than two outs last season? Drove in the run 15 times in 26 plate appearances. So so much for "never?" Your eyes tell you what you want to see, they don't reflect reality. A lot. Let that roll off your tongue one more time. 0-4, 4 strikeouts and 9 LOB. Wow!!! Just horrendous, unfortunately. I would stop defending him and just let people vent on this thread until he hopefully somewhat rights the ship. I'll be ecstatic to give him kudos when that happens. So you just confirmed "recency bias" for me. Good. Glad we got that out of the way. 25 runners were left on base collectively, so yeah, it's not just him. Vent all you want. Just stop spreading selective nonsense when you can delete the name of the player and replace it with anyone on the roster right now, by and large. The entire team is hitting .196 with runners in scoring position. The entire team is striking out 42% of the time with runners in scoring position. Not just Trent Grisham.
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2023 21:21:51 GMT -8
But, you said he was an average major league batter. Not in this very important category. Probably others, as well. You are known for cherry picking stats for your benefits, unfortunately. And you're known for not understanding virtually any of them. We use wRC+ to measure offense. Simple. You mentioned him never driving runners in (in one game) and said he was awful last year (I'm sure just looking at batting average) because he was actually solid with runners in scoring position last season. Not sure what you want, you brought it up. Obviously I don't mean NEVER, but most will get my drift. You've talked in the past about insignificant RBI's. Grisham sure seemed to get a lot those last year excluding the playoffs. You're defending him, while myself and others are not. He's been atrocious so far this year and he wasn't anything special AT ALL last year, excluding the playoffs. I hope to be talking about him in a more favorable light, in the VERY near future.
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2023 21:24:02 GMT -8
Let that roll off your tongue one more time. 0-4, 4 strikeouts and 9 LOB. Wow!!! Just horrendous, unfortunately. I would stop defending him and just let people vent on this thread until he hopefully somewhat rights the ship. I'll be ecstatic to give him kudos when that happens. So you just confirmed "recency bias" for me. Good. Glad we got that out of the way. 25 runners were left on base collectively, so yeah, it's not just him. Vent all you want. Just stop spreading selective nonsense when you can delete the name of the player and replace it with anyone on the roster right now, by and large. The entire team is hitting .196 with runners in scoring position. The entire team is striking out 42% of the time with runners in scoring position. Not just Trent Grisham. If you want to confirm recency bias, because I brought up the incredibly horrible game he had yesterday, then that's another reach by you, but I'm used to it. It would be recency bias if I ONLY talked about his recent ay, but we all know he sucked last year as well.
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2023 21:26:24 GMT -8
And you're known for not understanding virtually any of them. We use wRC+ to measure offense. Simple. You mentioned him never driving runners in (in one game) and said he was awful last year (I'm sure just looking at batting average) because he was actually solid with runners in scoring position last season. Not sure what you want, you brought it up. Obviously I don't NEVER, but most will get my drift. You've talked in the past about insignificant RBI's. Grisham sure seemed to get a lot those last year excluding the playoffs. You're defending him, while myself and others are not. He's been atrocious so far this year and he wasn't anything special AT ALL last year, excluding the playoffs. I hope to be talking about him in a more favorable light, in the VERY near future. Oh, I get your drift just fine. It's the eye test. That's why the numbers are so important, they provide a true and neutral reality. Here's to hoping the entire team collectively figures out how to not suck!
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2023 21:28:30 GMT -8
Obviously I don't NEVER, but most will get my drift. You've talked in the past about insignificant RBI's. Grisham sure seemed to get a lot those last year excluding the playoffs. You're defending him, while myself and others are not. He's been atrocious so far this year and he wasn't anything special AT ALL last year, excluding the playoffs. I hope to be talking about him in a more favorable light, in the VERY near future. Oh, I get your drift just fine. It's the eye test. That's why the numbers are so important, they provide a true and neutral reality. Here's to hoping the entire team collectively figures out how to not suck! No Ryan, it's not just the eye test. It's also his overall performance. But yeah, let's hope they get their rest ends in gear and turn this thing around.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jun 5, 2023 13:38:48 GMT -8
What's most mind-boggling to me is that he seemed to have figured it out just in time for the playoffs last year, so I presumed he'd be fine this season. It's as if an alien took over his body just for the playoffs and then left again. I truly can't remember a Padre ever being so horrifically bad, bookended on either side of a stellar playoffs. Playoffs were not stellar. He was 8/40 overall a .200 average. He was 0/19 in the LCS.
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Post by oldie on Jun 27, 2023 16:30:16 GMT -8
sorry, he's no worse than the rest of the team----the way they are playing now. must be nice to be making 30 million a year to strike out a go sit on the bench. I guess when you get a multi year contract you don't have to put out the effort any more. at least, that's what it looks like one to four in the batting order. make that 2 to 5, Kim shows some effort.
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Post by azson on Jun 28, 2023 9:30:34 GMT -8
What's most mind-boggling to me is that he seemed to have figured it out just in time for the playoffs last year, so I presumed he'd be fine this season. It's as if an alien took over his body just for the playoffs and then left again. I truly can't remember a Padre ever being so horrifically bad, bookended on either side of a stellar playoffs. Playoffs were not stellar. He was 8/40 overall a .200 average. He was 0/19 in the LCS. True, unfortunately he disappeared in the LCS, but we don't even make the LCS w/o his 8/21, 3 HRs, and 7 runs (not to mention stellar D) in the previous two rounds - I'm guessing he was #1 in WAR on the Pads in the first two rounds, which after his pitiful regular season, is remarkable.
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Post by junior on Jun 28, 2023 10:44:59 GMT -8
His value is not rising as fast as his salary. Even though, arguably, his salary is his value. His salary next year - if the Padres avoid arb again - will certainly be even higher than it is now ($3.1M/yr) - even if they can get him to agree to another one-year spot. Most likely, he's going to demand more security.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2023 10:56:07 GMT -8
His value is not rising as fast as his salary. Even though, arguably, his salary is his value. His salary next year - if the Padres avoid arb again - will certainly be even higher than it is now ($3.1M/yr) - even if they can get him to agree to another one-year spot. Most likely, he's going to demand more security. He doesn't get to demand anything. He's under arbitration/team control and will likely get a small raise off this year's salary.
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Post by junior on Jun 28, 2023 11:14:22 GMT -8
His value is not rising as fast as his salary. Even though, arguably, his salary is his value. His salary next year - if the Padres avoid arb again - will certainly be even higher than it is now ($3.1M/yr) - even if they can get him to agree to another one-year spot. Most likely, he's going to demand more security. He doesn't get to demand anything. He's under arbitration/team control and will likely get a small raise off this year's salary. I know that. I'm talking about after 2026. Should've made that more clear for the minimal-literal. Padres have anyone in the system to replace him? He'll certainly be calling the shots before they do.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2023 11:27:51 GMT -8
He doesn't get to demand anything. He's under arbitration/team control and will likely get a small raise off this year's salary. I know that. I'm talking about after 2026. Should've made that more clear for the minimal-literal. Padres have anyone in the system to replace him? He'll certainly be calling the shots before they do. I'd worry about 2026 in 2026. There's talent in the system at that position, but a hundred different things can and will happen before his arbitration status exhausts itself.
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 28, 2023 12:18:54 GMT -8
What about if we could trade Grish for a right fielder with a solid arm, solid speed and a better bat? Not for a one year rental, but for a stud with a few years of team control. Then just run with Tatis in center?
At this point I believe it's an option that needs to be looked at. Watching Tatis play right I'm fairly certain that he could be a gold glove caliber center fielder.
Alternatively, trading Grish for a first basemen with a few years of team control could work as well, promoting Azocar..
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2023 12:37:01 GMT -8
What about if we could trade Grish for a right fielder with a solid arm, solid speed and a better bat? Not for a one year rental, but for a stud with a few years of team control. Then just run with Tatis in center? At this point I believe it's an option that needs to be looked at. Watching Tatis play right I'm fairly certain that he could be a gold glove caliber center fielder. Alternatively, trading Grish for a first basemen with a few years of team control could work as well, promoting Azocar.. Yeah, I'm getting tired of hearing, concerning Grisham, "But, his defense." But, our offense. That's what we need. If we can trade Grisham for a guy with decent outfield talent, but can get on base, steal some bags, or a guy that can drive in some runs, etc, let's obviously do it. His leash has been way too long. His performance in the one baseball playoff series, made dome people pause, but he is, who he is. He's not what we need right now. One dimensional.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2023 12:38:50 GMT -8
What about if we could trade Grish for a right fielder with a solid arm, solid speed and a better bat? Not for a one year rental, but for a stud with a few years of team control. Then just run with Tatis in center? At this point I believe it's an option that needs to be looked at. Watching Tatis play right I'm fairly certain that he could be a gold glove caliber center fielder. Alternatively, trading Grish for a first basemen with a few years of team control could work as well, promoting Azocar.. Why do you want to move the best right fielder in baseball out of right field?
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2023 12:42:16 GMT -8
What about if we could trade Grish for a right fielder with a solid arm, solid speed and a better bat? Not for a one year rental, but for a stud with a few years of team control. Then just run with Tatis in center? At this point I believe it's an option that needs to be looked at. Watching Tatis play right I'm fairly certain that he could be a gold glove caliber center fielder. Alternatively, trading Grish for a first basemen with a few years of team control could work as well, promoting Azocar.. Why do you want to move the best right fielder in baseball out of right field? Because, he'll be the best center fielder in baseball if he does, and that's at a more valuable position.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2023 12:45:33 GMT -8
Why do you want to move the best right fielder in baseball out of right field? Because, he'll be the best center fielder in baseball if he does, and that's at a more valuable position. Far from a certainty and his best asset is wasted in center field. Just leave him where he is after he literally just moved positions this year. Just so I can understand the logic here: We hate Grisham (a slightly below league average hitter this year) but we think he's going to net a stud right fielder with an arm in a trade, or a first baseman with power in a trade? Azocar isn't an improvement, either.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2023 12:47:00 GMT -8
Because, he'll be the best center fielder in baseball if he does, and that's at a more valuable position. Far from a certainty and his best asset is wasted in center field. Just leave him where he is after he literally just moved positions this year. Just so I can understand the logic here: We hate Grisham (a slightly below league average hitter this year) but we think he's going to net a stud right fielder with an arm in a trade, or a first baseman with power in a trade? Azocar isn't an improvement, either. Not him alone in a trade, obviously. Of course it would be great to leave Tatis in right field, but we have a glaring need for more offense.
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 28, 2023 12:50:27 GMT -8
Because, he'll be the best center fielder in baseball if he does, and that's at a more valuable position. Far from a certainty and his best asset is wasted in center field. Just leave him where he is after he literally just moved positions this year. Just so I can understand the logic here: We hate Grisham (a slightly below league average hitter this year) but we think he's going to net a stud right fielder with an arm in a trade, or a first baseman with power in a trade? Azocar isn't an improvement, either. I mean you're the person who says that Grisham is such an asset as a controllable CF that's cheap with gold glove defense. So is he an asset or not? If he is let's trade him. If he's not, then why are you opposed to moving him?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2023 12:51:53 GMT -8
Far from a certainty and his best asset is wasted in center field. Just leave him where he is after he literally just moved positions this year. Just so I can understand the logic here: We hate Grisham (a slightly below league average hitter this year) but we think he's going to net a stud right fielder with an arm in a trade, or a first baseman with power in a trade? Azocar isn't an improvement, either. Not him alone in a trade, obviously. Of course it would be great to leave Tatis in right field, but we have a glaring need for more offense. So they aren't hitting the ball more consistently? Hm. Well, here's the rub. This team goes nowhere without Manny regaining some of his MVP-form. It goes nowhere without Xander Bogaerts regaining some of his early season success. You're not really gaining more offense in the outfield when there's two top 10 players there already.
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