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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2023 5:54:36 GMT -8
If he does, it's for a top ten player in baseball. It's AJ, so you truly never know, but I would be about as surprised as I've ever been in my entire life. So Paul Goldschmidt is the only conceivable possibility? No chance. I'd fire AJ myself.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 27, 2023 17:19:14 GMT -8
So Paul Goldschmidt is the only conceivable possibility? No chance. I'd fire AJ myself. But what sending about Hader and Snell to an AL playoff team for Paul + Giovanny Gallegos (a solid Cardinals reliever with 1.5 years of team control) in a 3 team trade that sent prospects to the Cardinals? That would be an interesting win now and win next year proposition, no? Or would it only take giving up Snell for such a deal to go through?
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Jul 27, 2023 17:25:37 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2023 17:25:37 GMT -8
No chance. I'd fire AJ myself. But what sending about Hader and Snell to an AL playoff team for Paul + Giovanny Gallegos (a solid Cardinals reliever with 1.5 years of team control) in a 3 team trade that sent prospects to the Cardinals? That would be an interesting win now and win next year proposition, no? Or would it only take giving up Snell for such a deal to go through? Complicated and I think St. Louis is pretty delusional. They asked for Merrill.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 27, 2023 19:47:49 GMT -8
But what sending about Hader and Snell to an AL playoff team for Paul + Giovanny Gallegos (a solid Cardinals reliever with 1.5 years of team control) in a 3 team trade that sent prospects to the Cardinals? That would be an interesting win now and win next year proposition, no? Or would it only take giving up Snell for such a deal to go through? Complicated and I think St. Louis is pretty delusional. They asked for Merrill. Why wouldn't they?
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Jul 27, 2023 19:49:11 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2023 19:49:11 GMT -8
Complicated and I think St. Louis is pretty delusional. They asked for Merrill. Why wouldn't they? They can ask for whatever they want, but that's a hard no from this end. A ship without a rudder.
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Jul 27, 2023 22:28:25 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on Jul 27, 2023 22:28:25 GMT -8
They can ask for whatever they want, but that's a hard no from this end. A ship without a rudder. AJ surprises.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 28, 2023 6:13:39 GMT -8
They can ask for whatever they want, but that's a hard no from this end. A ship without a rudder. AJ surprises. Not this time.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 28, 2023 8:30:04 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 28, 2023 9:16:47 GMT -8
Just want to take a minute and explain the absurdity of what Ethan Salas is doing. He turned 17 less than two months ago. He's one of two 17 year olds in the Cal League. He has a 140 wRC+, 40% over league average, where the average player is 4.3 years older than him. He has a .913 OPS, which is the sixth highest OPS in all of minor league baseball for players with 190+ plate appearances. He has an OPS in July of 1.162.
This is absurd stuff of the highest order. He's on a trajectory to be the #1 prospect in baseball.
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Post by junior on Jul 28, 2023 9:53:50 GMT -8
Gravity will prevail at some point, bringing those numbers back to Earth. But right now he certainly does look like 'the real deal'. I'm anxious to see how well he does when he gets higher up the food chain, because as Thorton Melon said in Back to School, It's a jungle out there!. And at age 17, there's really no need to rush him.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 28, 2023 12:01:00 GMT -8
Gravity will prevail at some point, bringing those numbers back to Earth. But right now he certainly does look like 'the real deal'. I'm anxious to see how well he does when he gets higher up the food chain, because as Thorton Melon said in Back to School, It's a jungle out there!. And at age 17, there's really no need to rush him. He may up with a Tatis like trajectory through the minors. But I agree, let him develop, let him learn, make sure that the fundamentals are being built upon in the minors. He's only 17
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 28, 2023 12:49:00 GMT -8
Just want to take a minute and explain the absurdity of what Ethan Salas is doing. He turned 17 less than two months ago. He's one of two 17 year olds in the Cal League. He has a 140 wRC+, 40% over league average, where the average player is 4.3 years older than him. He has a .913 OPS, which is the sixth highest OPS in all of minor league baseball for players with 190+ plate appearances. He has an OPS in July of 1.162. This is absurd stuff of the highest order. He's on a trajectory to be the #1 prospect in baseball. This is exciting news about him. I'm hoping he doesn't have a flaw, such as, can't hit the curve ball, etc.... Something he may not get exposed for, quite yet. I've seen young guys who kick butt in the lower minors, and then when elevated to the higher levels, they get exposed, badly. Some can adjust, some cannot. It is very exciting to see his potential, and what he's doing right now, for sure, but I like to pause a bit when it's happening in the lower Minors.
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Jul 28, 2023 13:22:46 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 28, 2023 13:22:46 GMT -8
Just want to take a minute and explain the absurdity of what Ethan Salas is doing. He turned 17 less than two months ago. He's one of two 17 year olds in the Cal League. He has a 140 wRC+, 40% over league average, where the average player is 4.3 years older than him. He has a .913 OPS, which is the sixth highest OPS in all of minor league baseball for players with 190+ plate appearances. He has an OPS in July of 1.162. This is absurd stuff of the highest order. He's on a trajectory to be the #1 prospect in baseball. This is exciting news about him. I'm hoping he doesn't have a flaw, such as, can't hit the curve ball, etc.... Something he may not get exposed for quite yet. I've seen young guys who kick butt in the lower minors, and then when elevated to the higher levels, they get exposed, badly. Some can adjust, some cannot. It is very exciting to see his potential, and what he's doing right now, for sure, but I like to pause a bit when it's happening in the lower Minors. He's been on the showcase circuit since he was 12, competing against premium pitching. He tripled off a legitimately good MLB starter in spring training on a slider low and in. He uses the opposite field. He has all fields power. He has strike zone discipline, with one of the lowest SwStrk%'s in the entire league. No, we haven't seen this before in this sense. 17 year old players don't come stateside often, much less skip the complex league, much less dominate (and I mean dominate) college-age pitching in full season ball in their first year. This isn't a case of an overvalued commodity beating up on underdeveloped arms, it's a case of a premium talent going on a wrecking ball tour. Speaking of adjustments: In June, he hit .190 with a .311 OBP and a .376 slugging percentage. He was out in front of a lot of stuff, impatient and rolling over to the pull side. All he's done in July is what you see up there. He has an .800+ OPS against lefties and righties, an .800+ OPS home and road (on the road it's over a 1.000) and he barrels the crap out of balls. Struck out last night in his first at-bat with runners on. Next at-bat? Two run double. Forget about the lower minors aspect. He's supposed to be a junior in high school right now. He WILL struggle early next year in Fort Wayne (still 17) with the cold weather early and the inhospitable conditions. I'd be floored if it lasted longer than a month.
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Jul 28, 2023 13:33:54 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 28, 2023 13:33:54 GMT -8
This is exciting news about him. I'm hoping he doesn't have a flaw, such as, can't hit the curve ball, etc.... Something he may not get exposed for quite yet. I've seen young guys who kick butt in the lower minors, and then when elevated to the higher levels, they get exposed, badly. Some can adjust, some cannot. It is very exciting to see his potential, and what he's doing right now, for sure, but I like to pause a bit when it's happening in the lower Minors. He's been on the showcase circuit since he was 12, competing against premium pitching. He tripled off a legitimately good MLB starter in spring training on a slider low and in. He uses the opposite field. He has all fields power. He has strike zone discipline, with one of the lowest SwStrk%'s in the entire league. No, we haven't seen this before in this sense. 17 year old players don't come stateside often, much less skip the complex league, much less dominate (and I mean dominate) college-age pitching in full season ball in their first year. This isn't a case of an overvalued commodity beating up on underdeveloped arms, it's a case of a premium talent going on a wrecking ball tour. Speaking of adjustments: In June, he hit .190 with a .311 OBP and a .376 slugging percentage. He was out in front of a lot of stuff, impatient and rolling over to the pull side. All he's done in July is what you see up there. He has an .800+ OPS against lefties and righties, an .800+ OPS home and road (on the road it's over a 1.000) and he barrels the crap out of balls. Struck out last night in his first at-bat with runners on. Next at-bat? Two run double. Forget about the lower minors aspect. He's supposed to be a junior in high school right now. He WILL struggle early next year in Fort Wayne (still 17) with the cold weather early and the inhospitable conditions. I'd be floored if it lasted longer than a month. Yes, he's kicking butt. Very unprecedented. I'm VERY excited about him. At the same time, I personally won't go nuts about him until he's further up in the Minors. I hope he continues to be the real deal.
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Jul 28, 2023 13:42:53 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 28, 2023 13:42:53 GMT -8
He's been on the showcase circuit since he was 12, competing against premium pitching. He tripled off a legitimately good MLB starter in spring training on a slider low and in. He uses the opposite field. He has all fields power. He has strike zone discipline, with one of the lowest SwStrk%'s in the entire league. No, we haven't seen this before in this sense. 17 year old players don't come stateside often, much less skip the complex league, much less dominate (and I mean dominate) college-age pitching in full season ball in their first year. This isn't a case of an overvalued commodity beating up on underdeveloped arms, it's a case of a premium talent going on a wrecking ball tour. Speaking of adjustments: In June, he hit .190 with a .311 OBP and a .376 slugging percentage. He was out in front of a lot of stuff, impatient and rolling over to the pull side. All he's done in July is what you see up there. He has an .800+ OPS against lefties and righties, an .800+ OPS home and road (on the road it's over a 1.000) and he barrels the crap out of balls. Struck out last night in his first at-bat with runners on. Next at-bat? Two run double. Forget about the lower minors aspect. He's supposed to be a junior in high school right now. He WILL struggle early next year in Fort Wayne (still 17) with the cold weather early and the inhospitable conditions. I'd be floored if it lasted longer than a month. Yes, he's kicking butt. Very unprecedented. I'm VERY excited about him. At the same time, I personally won't go nuts about him until he's further up in the Minors. I hope he continues to be the real deal. This is the mindset of the average Padre fan. I get it, but this is the only way you win a title.
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Jul 28, 2023 14:02:02 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 28, 2023 14:02:02 GMT -8
Yes, he's kicking butt. Very unprecedented. I'm VERY excited about him. At the same time, I personally won't go nuts about him until he's further up in the Minors. I hope he continues to be the real deal. This is the mindset of the average Padre fan. I get it, but this is the only way you win a title. I think it's the mindset of a rational individual, period. There's nothing wrong with you pointing out how great he's doing, and being very excited about it, but I guarantee you every coach and people in the business are also waiting to see what he can do against upper level pitching on a consistent basis. That's all I'm saying. Nothing to do with being a "Padres Fan."
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Jul 28, 2023 15:33:39 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 28, 2023 15:33:39 GMT -8
This is the mindset of the average Padre fan. I get it, but this is the only way you win a title. I think it's the mindset of a rational individual, period. There's nothing wrong with you pointing out how great he's doing, and being very excited about it, but I guarantee you every coach and people in the business are also waiting to see what he can do against upper level pitching on a consistent basis. That's all I'm saying. Nothing to do with being a "Padres Fan." Rational people would see what he's doing now, the trajectory he's on and realize he's going to debut as a teenager, which only one catcher in the last 30 years has done. But I understand the approach.
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Jul 28, 2023 15:55:09 GMT -8
Post by azson on Jul 28, 2023 15:55:09 GMT -8
I think it's the mindset of a rational individual, period. There's nothing wrong with you pointing out how great he's doing, and being very excited about it, but I guarantee you every coach and people in the business are also waiting to see what he can do against upper level pitching on a consistent basis. That's all I'm saying. Nothing to do with being a "Padres Fan." Rational people would see what he's doing now, the trajectory he's on and realize he's going to debut as a teenager, which only one catcher in the last 30 years has done. But I understand the approach. Who was the other?
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Jul 28, 2023 16:34:08 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 28, 2023 16:34:08 GMT -8
Rational people would see what he's doing now, the trajectory he's on and realize he's going to debut as a teenager, which only one catcher in the last 30 years has done. But I understand the approach. Who was the other? Ivan Rodriguez.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 28, 2023 17:11:53 GMT -8
I think it's the mindset of a rational individual, period. There's nothing wrong with you pointing out how great he's doing, and being very excited about it, but I guarantee you every coach and people in the business are also waiting to see what he can do against upper level pitching on a consistent basis. That's all I'm saying. Nothing to do with being a "Padres Fan." Rational people would see what he's doing now, the trajectory he's on and realize he's going to debut as a teenager, which only one catcher in the last 30 years has done. But I understand the approach. Yeah he definitely could debut as a teenager. But John has a valid point, he may reach AA or AAA (or the majors) and have a setback. Anything is possible, the kid is raking in low level minor league ball and this is a small sample size... that's all anyone is saying. Everyone hopes that he is the next Rodriguez.
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