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Post by sdsuball on Nov 4, 2022 19:03:25 GMT -8
Benintendi is a soft contact merchant who would get eaten up at Petco. Padres passed on him multiple times. Nimmo is going to get $100M+ from someone and isn't in their range. Is this actually a thing? I don't know much about the dynamics of Petco Park, other then the fact that it has a tendency to eat hitters up and turn HR's into fly balls. What are the traits of the ideal hitter for Petco? Edit: Padres had 170 doubles away and 106 at home?! That's crazy.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2022 19:10:13 GMT -8
Benintendi is a soft contact merchant who would get eaten up at Petco. Padres passed on him multiple times. Nimmo is going to get $100M+ from someone and isn't in their range. Is this actually a thing? I don't know much about the dynamics of Petco Park, other then the fact that it has a tendency to eat hitters up and turn HR's into fly balls. What are the traits of the ideal hitter for Petco? It's definitely a thing. Look at the home struggles for the vast majority of Padre hitters since Petco opened. You want an all fields approach to take advantage of the big gaps in the alleys. Petco eats up medium contact guys like Benintendi was the last two years.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 5, 2022 9:15:24 GMT -8
I know they moved the outfield walls in a while back, but if the park is still killing Padres hitters (as well as visiting teams' hitters), why not move them in another 5 feet or so?
The strategy of making this a pitcher's park hasn't paid off. We've had far more losing seasons than winning seasons since the ballpark opened. I'd say that plan failed to work the way they hoped it would, so if the plan is a failure, come up with a new plan.
Move the outfield walls in again.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 5, 2022 15:08:55 GMT -8
I know they moved the outfield walls in a while back, but if the park is still killing Padres hitters (as well as visiting teams' hitters), why not move them in another 5 feet or so? The strategy of making this a pitcher's park hasn't paid off. We've had far more losing seasons than winning seasons since the ballpark opened. I'd say that plan failed to work the way they hoped it would, so if the plan is a failure, come up with a new plan. Move the outfield walls in again. The approach is the issue, not the park.
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 5, 2022 20:23:12 GMT -8
Is this actually a thing? I don't know much about the dynamics of Petco Park, other then the fact that it has a tendency to eat hitters up and turn HR's into fly balls. What are the traits of the ideal hitter for Petco? It's definitely a thing. Look at the home struggles for the vast majority of Padre hitters since Petco opened. You want an all fields approach to take advantage of the big gaps in the alleys. Petco eats up medium contact guys like Benintendi was the last two years. That makes sense that an all fields approach would be better then a pull approach with the alleys. But that still doesn't explain why there are so many more doubles in other parks then in Petco. If anything you would think that the bigger gaps would allow more balls to drop in play that would be low angle hr's in other parks. Maybe outfielders play deeper in Petco because of the alleys? Or the wind knocks down a lot of soft contact outfield gap hits and turns them into singles? No idea honestly
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 5, 2022 23:26:48 GMT -8
I know they moved the outfield walls in a while back, but if the park is still killing Padres hitters (as well as visiting teams' hitters), why not move them in another 5 feet or so? The strategy of making this a pitcher's park hasn't paid off. We've had far more losing seasons than winning seasons since the ballpark opened. I'd say that plan failed to work the way they hoped it would, so if the plan is a failure, come up with a new plan. Move the outfield walls in again. The approach is the issue, not the park. And yet even opposing teams have fewer homers here than in their own parks. It's the park.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2022 8:05:40 GMT -8
The approach is the issue, not the park. And yet even opposing teams have fewer homers here than in their own parks. It's the park. It's not. Petco has been essentially neutral over the last three seasons, is well above average during day games for home runs and really just caps home runs during night games with the marine layer hanging around for several months.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 6, 2022 8:25:16 GMT -8
And yet even opposing teams have fewer homers here than in their own parks. It's the park. It's not. Petco has been essentially neutral over the last three seasons, is well above average during day games for home runs and really just caps home runs during night games with the marine layer hanging around for several months. Then why are our home run and extra base hit numbers so horrible at Petco, but better in most other parks? That sure seems like a park issue to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 8:54:30 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2022 9:34:13 GMT -8
It's not. Petco has been essentially neutral over the last three seasons, is well above average during day games for home runs and really just caps home runs during night games with the marine layer hanging around for several months. Then why are our home run and extra base hit numbers so horrible at Petco, but better in most other parks? That sure seems like a park issue to me. Because of the approach, like I said before.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 6, 2022 11:16:30 GMT -8
Then why are our home run and extra base hit numbers so horrible at Petco, but better in most other parks? That sure seems like a park issue to me. Because of the approach, like I said before. Same players, different ballparks, different results. That's not approach, that's ballpark. Proven by what Josh Jones posted above... www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2022 12:20:17 GMT -8
Because of the approach, like I said before. Same players, different ballparks, different results. That's not approach, that's ballpark. Proven by what Josh Jones posted above... www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactorYou're going to believe what you want and look for the simplest answer, but the multi-year data doesn't support the conclusion you're looking for. I'm referring to the Padres specifically here because no other team plays enough games at Petco to achieve a meaningful sample.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 6, 2022 12:30:57 GMT -8
Same players, different ballparks, different results. That's not approach, that's ballpark. Proven by what Josh Jones posted above... www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactorYou're going to believe what you want and look for the simplest answer, but the multi-year data doesn't support the conclusion you're looking for. I'm referring to the Padres specifically here because no other team plays enough games at Petco to achieve a meaningful sample. Even with the Padres as the only team you focus on, they hit better at other parks. More extra base hits, and, if I'm not mistaken, more home runs. Petco is a hitter killer. The whole concept was for them to have a bunch of above average, but not top tier, pitchers and the Padres would load up on singles hitters and work to manufacture runs. That concept failed. Time for a new concept. An average sized park with more power hitters. Actually, they've worked a bit on the hitters, now they need the outfield walls moved in by 5 feet or so.
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Post by junior on Nov 6, 2022 13:07:43 GMT -8
Might cost less to move home plate, the mound and the bases the same amount. Plus, they'd gain some foul territory. Might make a few more of those "almost" caught foul balls catchable.
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Post by aardvark on Nov 6, 2022 13:55:09 GMT -8
Might cost less to move home plate, the mound and the bases the same amount. Plus, they'd gain some foul territory. Might make a few more of those "almost" caught foul balls catchable.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2022 15:28:21 GMT -8
You're going to believe what you want and look for the simplest answer, but the multi-year data doesn't support the conclusion you're looking for. I'm referring to the Padres specifically here because no other team plays enough games at Petco to achieve a meaningful sample. Even with the Padres as the only team you focus on, they hit better at other parks. More extra base hits, and, if I'm not mistaken, more home runs. Petco is a hitter killer. The whole concept was for them to have a bunch of above average, but not top tier, pitchers and the Padres would load up on singles hitters and work to manufacture runs. That concept failed. Time for a new concept. An average sized park with more power hitters. Actually, they've worked a bit on the hitters, now they need the outfield walls moved in by 5 feet or so. Moving the fences in doesn't change the outcome when you don't slug.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 6, 2022 16:10:45 GMT -8
Even with the Padres as the only team you focus on, they hit better at other parks. More extra base hits, and, if I'm not mistaken, more home runs. Petco is a hitter killer. The whole concept was for them to have a bunch of above average, but not top tier, pitchers and the Padres would load up on singles hitters and work to manufacture runs. That concept failed. Time for a new concept. An average sized park with more power hitters. Actually, they've worked a bit on the hitters, now they need the outfield walls moved in by 5 feet or so. Moving the fences in doesn't change the outcome when you don't slug. But we signed or traded for multiple power hitters, so that's no longer an issue.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2022 16:40:08 GMT -8
Moving the fences in doesn't change the outcome when you don't slug. But we signed or traded for multiple power hitters, so that's no longer an issue. On what planet? The team has three players in the top 20 in infield fly hit rate, was one of the lowest barrel percentage teams in baseball and that's not going to be solved by a few hundred at-bats from Josh Bell.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 6, 2022 17:37:15 GMT -8
But we signed or traded for multiple power hitters, so that's no longer an issue. On what planet? The team has three players in the top 20 in infield fly hit rate, was one of the lowest barrel percentage teams in baseball and that's not going to be solved by a few hundred at-bats from Josh Bell. Machado, Soto, Drury, Cronenworth - they all have HR power.
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 6, 2022 19:20:00 GMT -8
On what planet? The team has three players in the top 20 in infield fly hit rate, was one of the lowest barrel percentage teams in baseball and that's not going to be solved by a few hundred at-bats from Josh Bell. Machado, Soto, Drury, Cronenworth - they all have HR power. Grisham, Bell, etc...
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