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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 12:57:43 GMT -8
Ryan is DEFINITELY bummed to see Gasser go. Kid has off the chart peripherals and I know the stat heads love him. Cost of doing biz..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 12:58:56 GMT -8
One of the things that I loved most about Kevin Towers was his ability to find cheap relievers in trades and fill out a solid bullpen without burning too much in prospects or money to do it. This trade is the exact opposite of that. Randomly ran into Mike Adam’s on the ball fields recently. (Youth sports). He lives in the same TX town I do. He was rock solid here, with Gregerson!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 13:00:58 GMT -8
Harder SO9 is still 15.6...he's been more "hittable" this season (6.9 H9, 1.9 HR9 vs 4.6 H9, 1.2 HR9 for career). Still dominant in many ways. He’s still freak nasty.
Rogers better be good because MIL is in first and the fans and clubhouse will revolt if not, and they slip.
——-Gasser has struck out 115 and walked just 28 in 90⅓ innings at High-A, where he's pitching his first full season after San Diego selected him in the second round of the 2021 draft. Lamet, 30, is the wild card of the deal. During the shortened 2020 season, he finished fourth in National League Cy Young voting. Injuries and ineffectiveness have plagued him since, and he has a 9.49 ERA in 12⅓ major league innings this season, but a 1.93 ERA with a hefty strikeout rate in Triple-A.
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Post by azdick on Aug 1, 2022 13:41:46 GMT -8
Rogers lost his confidence. He is not in a good psychological space. Maybe the trade will help him get it back. Hader, OTOH, is not lacking in the confidence space. Great trade IMHO. Rogers didnt lose his confidence. His quote was something like, "I have X amount of Saves" blah blah. as for the trade, love Hader, but hate that we traded so much to get him when you add in what we traded for Rogers. reminds me of the Seattle trades. on paper you are getting a guy you have targeted, but the sheer size of what you give up increases the likely-hood that you will lose the trades. Tyler France alone is > than everything we gained from the Seattle Trade. Agree, but something to be said for getting talent at the time the talent is peaking in the bigs. I’d rather have a two or three year window of actually competing for a ring than waiting for potential to become performance.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 1, 2022 13:47:48 GMT -8
Ryan is DEFINITELY bummed to see Gasser go. Kid has off the chart peripherals and I know the stat heads love him. Cost of doing biz.. Not that bummed.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 1, 2022 13:48:42 GMT -8
Rogers lost his confidence. He is not in a good psychological space. Maybe the trade will help him get it back. Hader, OTOH, is not lacking in the confidence space. Great trade IMHO. Rogers didnt lose his confidence. His quote was something like, "I have X amount of Saves" blah blah. as for the trade, love Hader, but hate that we traded so much to get him when you add in what we traded for Rogers. reminds me of the Seattle trades. on paper you are getting a guy you have targeted, but the sheer size of what you give up increases the likely-hood that you will lose the trades. Tyler France alone is > than everything we gained from the Seattle Trade. They traded Chris Paddack and Emilio Pagân. Lol.
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Post by junior on Aug 18, 2022 21:03:50 GMT -8
Padres should give him back.
Immediately.
Nothing but more bad pitches and yet another game lost in relief.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 19, 2022 0:01:17 GMT -8
They shouldn't give him back, but I don't think that he's worth $15 million. That's why I wouldn't have traded for him.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 19, 2022 9:57:41 GMT -8
Hader may turn out to be one of the biggest trade busts in Padres' history.
He can't get anyone out, but he can walk guys really well! Hell, he walks batters so well he walks in multiple runs! Dude is the Walk King!
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Post by azson on Aug 19, 2022 10:14:30 GMT -8
Hader hasn't lived up to his billing, but he's not the one scoring 1 and zero runs vs. bottom feeder teams.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 19, 2022 10:24:24 GMT -8
Hader may turn out to be one of the biggest trade busts in Padres' history. He can't get anyone out, but he can walk guys really well! Hell, he walks batters so well he walks in multiple runs! Dude is the Walk King! He came here walking 3.18 guys per 9 and has been close to that his entire career. He's walked 10+ per 9 since he's arrived. He'll get it turned around. That type of deviation from the norm doesn't last, unless he pulls an Ankiel (which is extremely unlikely). Like Bell & even Drury, I think they're trying too hard at times.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 19, 2022 10:34:25 GMT -8
Hader hasn't lived up to his billing, but he's not the one scoring 1 and zero runs vs. bottom feeder teams. Bur he is the one walking in the winning runs for the other teams. That's the opposite of what a closer is supposed to do. Hader may turn out to be one of the biggest trade busts in Padres' history. He can't get anyone out, but he can walk guys really well! Hell, he walks batters so well he walks in multiple runs! Dude is the Walk King! He came here walking 3.18 guys per 9 and has been close to that his entire career. He's walked 10+ per 9 since he's arrived. He'll get it turned around. That type of deviation from the norm doesn't last, unless he pulls an Ankiel (which is extremely unlikely). Like Bell & even Drury, I think they're trying too hard at times. Will he get it turned around? He was having these problems before he was traded. He had a meltdown against San Francisco not long before the trade. There's something wrong with him. He can't throw strikes. His control is gone. Sometimes players just lose it, whether it's mental or physical, but some guys just hit a wall and never recover their all star level. I hope that's not the case with Hader, but 9 days off didn't do anything to help him.
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Post by azson on Aug 19, 2022 10:40:16 GMT -8
Hader hasn't lived up to his billing, but he's not the one scoring 1 and zero runs vs. bottom feeder teams. Bur he is the one walking in the winning runs for the other teams.
That's the opposite of what a closer is supposed to do. He came here walking 3.18 guys per 9 and has been close to that his entire career. He's walked 10+ per 9 since he's arrived. He'll get it turned around. That type of deviation from the norm doesn't last, unless he pulls an Ankiel (which is extremely unlikely). Like Bell & even Drury, I think they're trying too hard at times. Will he get it turned around? He was having these problems before he was traded. He had a meltdown against San Francisco not long before the trade. There's something wrong with him. He can't throw strikes. His control is gone. Sometimes players just lose it, whether it's mental or physical, but some guys just hit a wall and never recover their all star level. I hope that's not the case with Hader, but 9 days off didn't do anything to help him. My point is he shouldn't even be in high-leverage situations vs. these teams, with our lineup we should be blowing them out of the water. Hader's supposed to be here for the Dodgers and other WC teams.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 19, 2022 10:43:45 GMT -8
Bur he is the one walking in the winning runs for the other teams.
That's the opposite of what a closer is supposed to do. Will he get it turned around? He was having these problems before he was traded. He had a meltdown against San Francisco not long before the trade. There's something wrong with him. He can't throw strikes. His control is gone. Sometimes players just lose it, whether it's mental or physical, but some guys just hit a wall and never recover their all star level. I hope that's not the case with Hader, but 9 days off didn't do anything to help him. My point is he shouldn't even be in high-leverage situations vs. these teams, with our lineup we should be blowing them out of the water. Hader's supposed to be here for the Dodgers and other WC teams. Well, he can't throw strikes, so it doesn't matter which teams he's facing, or what the score is - he can't get anyone out. He's literally walking in the winning runs for the other team. That's as bad as it gets for a relief pitcher, especially for a closer. He's a disaster. You can't sugar coat it. Can he recover? Sure. But 9 days off didn't help. This may be mental. He lost it in his last month before the trade, and it only got worse with the Padres. We may have gotten damaged goods.
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Post by junior on Aug 19, 2022 10:49:37 GMT -8
I felt last night that the 9 days off was probably not going to play well, especially for the high leverage situation he walked into.
And it didn't. He shouldn't have been out there. At the time, Darvish was done. Two runners on base already, but the game was still tied up, and someone else should've been brought in to get those last two outs. Of course, who would that've been, anyway? Crismatt? He was up next. Maybe he should've been up earlier… that's a management error. But Hader probably had no business being in there - at least in that situation - 9 days off, two runners on, tie game, top of the 9th, etc. etc.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 19, 2022 11:35:58 GMT -8
Hader hasn't lived up to his billing, but he's not the one scoring 1 and zero runs vs. bottom feeder teams. Bur he is the one walking in the winning runs for the other teams. That's the opposite of what a closer is supposed to do. He came here walking 3.18 guys per 9 and has been close to that his entire career. He's walked 10+ per 9 since he's arrived. He'll get it turned around. That type of deviation from the norm doesn't last, unless he pulls an Ankiel (which is extremely unlikely). Like Bell & even Drury, I think they're trying too hard at times. Will he get it turned around? He was having these problems before he was traded. He had a meltdown against San Francisco not long before the trade. There's something wrong with him. He can't throw strikes. His control is gone. Sometimes players just lose it, whether it's mental or physical, but some guys just hit a wall and never recover their all star level. I hope that's not the case with Hader, but 9 days off didn't do anything to help him. He turned it around before the trade. After just 2 bad outings, his last 4 appearances with Milwaukee he pitched 4 innings, gave up 3 hits, 1 run, 1 BB/HBP & 7 K's, so yes, its very easy to assume he'll turn it around. He's done it before.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 19, 2022 12:02:03 GMT -8
Bur he is the one walking in the winning runs for the other teams. That's the opposite of what a closer is supposed to do. Will he get it turned around? He was having these problems before he was traded. He had a meltdown against San Francisco not long before the trade. There's something wrong with him. He can't throw strikes. His control is gone. Sometimes players just lose it, whether it's mental or physical, but some guys just hit a wall and never recover their all star level. I hope that's not the case with Hader, but 9 days off didn't do anything to help him. He turned it around before the trade. After just 2 bad outings, his last 4 appearances with Milwaukee he pitched 4 innings, gave up 3 hits, 1 run, 1 BB/HBP & 7 K's, so yes, its very easy to assume he'll turn it around. He's done it before. I just read that Hader's regularly had a problem fading by the All Star break. I don't have time now to verify, but that could certainly be true.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 19, 2022 12:26:06 GMT -8
He turned it around before the trade. After just 2 bad outings, his last 4 appearances with Milwaukee he pitched 4 innings, gave up 3 hits, 1 run, 1 BB/HBP & 7 K's, so yes, its very easy to assume he'll turn it around. He's done it before. I just read that Hader's regularly had a problem fading by the All Star break. I don't have time now to verify, but that could certainly be true. Haven't looked back past last year, but last year his WHIP before was 0.80 and after 0.90; his ERA was 1.49 before & 0.81 after; his BA against was .130 before & .122 after; and he had 1 BS before the break and NONE after. If he "regularly had a problem" with the before/after apparently he turned it around last year. www.mlb.com/player/josh-hader-623352?stats=splits-r-pitching-mlb&year=2021
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 19, 2022 16:11:17 GMT -8
Bur he is the one walking in the winning runs for the other teams. That's the opposite of what a closer is supposed to do. Will he get it turned around? He was having these problems before he was traded. He had a meltdown against San Francisco not long before the trade. There's something wrong with him. He can't throw strikes. His control is gone. Sometimes players just lose it, whether it's mental or physical, but some guys just hit a wall and never recover their all star level. I hope that's not the case with Hader, but 9 days off didn't do anything to help him. He turned it around before the trade. After just 2 bad outings, his last 4 appearances with Milwaukee he pitched 4 innings, gave up 3 hits, 1 run, 1 BB/HBP & 7 K's, so yes, its very easy to assume he'll turn it around. He's done it before. I think, since every game now is of heightened importance for a Wild Card spot, people are going to be more critical. I think Hader will turn it around, but he has to do it quick like, because like I said, every game right now is very important. They have been for a while now.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 19, 2022 22:26:24 GMT -8
He turned it around before the trade. After just 2 bad outings, his last 4 appearances with Milwaukee he pitched 4 innings, gave up 3 hits, 1 run, 1 BB/HBP & 7 K's, so yes, its very easy to assume he'll turn it around. He's done it before. I think, since every game now is of heightened importance for a Wild Card spot, people are going to be more critical. I think Hader will turn it around, but he has to do it quick like, because like I said, every game right now is very important. They have been for a while now. Tonight was brutal but his career shows he can get things going. Agree though, with 40 games the leash may be shrinking. But we're going to need him. Thankfully Suarez & Garcia have been terrific lately.
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