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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 17:00:59 GMT -8
This is too funny. Quotes come out to defend Hosmer's excellent clubhouse presence, profusely, and you say that I can only say that you're biased. Before those quotes from the players came out, it was clear that he doesn't have an issue in the clubhouse. He has a GREAT reputation as a great clubhouse guy, yet you continually over inflate things because of your bias. Myself, and others before have called you out on it. It's clear. CRYSTAL clear that you have a bias, and you've even admitted that you don't like him. Yeah, I'm tired of someone who can't own up to an issue they have, and look ridiculous while sticking to it. So be it. Him being liked by his teammates doesn't make him a great clubhouse presence on its own. There are far more complex dynamics in play to that scenario. That should be pretty easy to decipher, I would hope. Not liking someone doesn't categorically make them "biased." Clear that he doesn't have an issue in the clubhouse? He just called out his own general manager in the Union-Tribune three weeks ago. The same general manager who signed him to a record breaking deal four years ago. I can't believe just because a few teammates come out and endorse him to a media publication that this has to be explained to you when there's also plenty of evidence to the contrary. We're supposed to take certain things as gospel, but ignore the rest of it? Why? Come on Ryan. It's not just that they like him. Nice try. He stated that he's the glue to the clubhouse presence, and a leader in the clubhouse, which is VERY compelling, amongst MANY other things, but of course you'll gloss over that. He didn't have to go that far in his praise for Hosmer. Hosmer has always had the reputation of a clubhouse leader throughout his career. The evidence that you're biased is overwhelming. And, it's not unusual to have a "spokesman" speak out for the team, as Musgrove did. It was said that the players are excited to have him back. What I can't believe, or maybe I can in your case, is that you you can only diminish things right in front of your face with compelling quotes, and poo poo them. But, of course you would NEVER acknowledge anything positive about Hosmer, so there's that. |
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 3, 2022 17:07:51 GMT -8
This is too funny. Quotes come out to defend Hosmer's excellent clubhouse presence, profusely, and you say that I can only say that you're biased. Before those quotes from the players came out, it was clear that he doesn't have an issue in the clubhouse. He has a GREAT reputation as a great clubhouse guy, yet you continually over inflate things because of your bias. Myself, and others before have called you out on it. It's clear. CRYSTAL clear that you have a bias, and you've even admitted that you don't like him. Yeah, I'm tired of someone who can't own up to an issue they have, and look ridiculous while sticking to it. So be it. Him being liked by his teammates doesn't make him a great clubhouse presence on its own. There are far more complex dynamics in play to that scenario. That should be pretty easy to decipher, I would hope. Not liking someone doesn't categorically make them "biased." Clear that he doesn't have an issue in the clubhouse? He just called out his own general manager in the Union-Tribune three weeks ago. The same general manager who signed him to a record breaking deal four years ago. I can't believe just because a few teammates come out and endorse him to a media publication that this has to be explained to you when there's also plenty of evidence to the contrary. We're supposed to take certain things as gospel, but ignore the rest of it? Why? Baseball players are loathe to call out a teammate, much more so then in other sports. There is a ton of loyalty there. If he was below the Mendoza line, they might say 'he's been having a tough time but I think he's about to turn a corner" or something similar |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 17:13:21 GMT -8
Him being liked by his teammates doesn't make him a great clubhouse presence on its own. There are far more complex dynamics in play to that scenario. That should be pretty easy to decipher, I would hope. Not liking someone doesn't categorically make them "biased." Clear that he doesn't have an issue in the clubhouse? He just called out his own general manager in the Union-Tribune three weeks ago. The same general manager who signed him to a record breaking deal four years ago. I can't believe just because a few teammates come out and endorse him to a media publication that this has to be explained to you when there's also plenty of evidence to the contrary. We're supposed to take certain things as gospel, but ignore the rest of it? Why? Baseball players are loathe to call out a teammate, much more so then in other sports. There is a ton of loyalty there. If he was below the Mendoza line, they might say 'he's been having a tough time but I think he's about to turn a corner" or something similar The term is "prestige value." |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 17:19:06 GMT -8
Him being liked by his teammates doesn't make him a great clubhouse presence on its own. There are far more complex dynamics in play to that scenario. That should be pretty easy to decipher, I would hope. Not liking someone doesn't categorically make them "biased." Clear that he doesn't have an issue in the clubhouse? He just called out his own general manager in the Union-Tribune three weeks ago. The same general manager who signed him to a record breaking deal four years ago. I can't believe just because a few teammates come out and endorse him to a media publication that this has to be explained to you when there's also plenty of evidence to the contrary. We're supposed to take certain things as gospel, but ignore the rest of it? Why? Come on Ryan. It's not just that they like him. Nice try. He stated that he's the glue to the clubhouse presence, and a leader in the clubhouse, which is VERY compelling, amongst MANY other things, but of course you'll gloss over that. He didn't have to go that far in his praise for Hosmer. Hosmer has always had the reputation of a clubhouse leader throughout his career. The evidence that you're biased is overwhelming. And, it's not unusual to have a "spokesman" speak out for the team, as Musgrove did. It was said that the players are excited to have him back. What I can't believe, or maybe I can in your case, is that you you can only diminish things right in front of your face with compelling quotes, and poo poo them. But, of course you would NEVER acknowledge anything positive about Hosmer, so there's that. No matter how many times you hit the caps lock button, it doesn't strengthen your wishy-washy analysis or your argument in general. It just makes you doubling down look even more comical. I've said plenty of positive things about Eric Hosmer, but the reality is that what I've said is stone cold truth: His ego, his statements to the media and his poor performance and inability or lack of desire to change has hamstrung the franchise. That's a fact. They would DFA him today if he weren't owed so much money. I'm glad the players are excited to "have him back"....but they aren't going to say the opposite before the season starts. There's nothing "compelling" about articles I've read and seen dozens of times. What is compelling is what transpired last July and the second half of the 2021 season. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 17:34:04 GMT -8
Come on Ryan. It's not just that they like him. Nice try. He stated that he's the glue to the clubhouse presence, and a leader in the clubhouse, which is VERY compelling, amongst MANY other things, but of course you'll gloss over that. He didn't have to go that far in his praise for Hosmer. Hosmer has always had the reputation of a clubhouse leader throughout his career. The evidence that you're biased is overwhelming. And, it's not unusual to have a "spokesman" speak out for the team, as Musgrove did. It was said that the players are excited to have him back. What I can't believe, or maybe I can in your case, is that you you can only diminish things right in front of your face with compelling quotes, and poo poo them. But, of course you would NEVER acknowledge anything positive about Hosmer, so there's that. No matter how many times you hit the caps lock button, it doesn't strengthen your wishy-washy analysis or your argument in general. It just makes you doubling down look even more comical. I've said plenty of positive things about Eric Hosmer, but the reality is that what I've said is stone cold truth: His ego, his statements to the media and his poor performance and inability or lack of desire to change has hamstrung the franchise. That's a fact. They would DFA him today if he weren't owed so much money. I'm glad the players are excited to "have him back"....but they aren't going to say the opposite before the season starts. There's nothing "compelling" about articles I've read and seen dozens of times. What is compelling is what transpired last July and the second half of the 2021 season. Caps lock = trying to make it simpler for you. The comedy here is you sticking to your story even though the players dispute your biased opinion. They can DFA him and I would be happy about that, but that doesn't take away from his clubhouse leadership and presence, which has been stated by actual players in the CLUBHOUSE, and not internet Ryan. Hmmmm, I think I'll go with that. You keep saying that they aren't going to say the opposite before the season starts, but they didn't need to go to the LENGTHS that they did describing his excellent clubhouse presence and leadership. They EXPANDED on it, but you go ahead and keep glossing over those FACTS. Like I said, your credibility on this subject is soooo tainted due to your personal dislike of him, it's absolutely ridiculous, and hilarious. You made that clear last year. Over the top. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 18:32:52 GMT -8
No matter how many times you hit the caps lock button, it doesn't strengthen your wishy-washy analysis or your argument in general. It just makes you doubling down look even more comical. I've said plenty of positive things about Eric Hosmer, but the reality is that what I've said is stone cold truth: His ego, his statements to the media and his poor performance and inability or lack of desire to change has hamstrung the franchise. That's a fact. They would DFA him today if he weren't owed so much money. I'm glad the players are excited to "have him back"....but they aren't going to say the opposite before the season starts. There's nothing "compelling" about articles I've read and seen dozens of times. What is compelling is what transpired last July and the second half of the 2021 season. Caps lock = trying to make it simpler for you. The comedy here is you sticking to your story even though the players dispute your biased opinion. They can DFA him and I would be happy about that, but that doesn't take away from his clubhouse leadership and presence, which has been stated by actual players in the CLUBHOUSE, and not internet Ryan. Hmmmm, I think I'll go with that. You keep saying that they aren't going to say the opposite before the season starts, but they didn't need to go to the LENGTHS that they did describing his excellent clubhouse presence and leadership. They EXPANDED on it, but you go ahead and keep glossing over those FACTS. Like I said, your credibility on this subject is soooo tainted due to your personal dislike of him, it's absolutely ridiculous, and hilarious. You made that clear last year. Over the top. Just reporting the truth. When it happens again (if he stays), I'll be here for the acknowledgment. My credibility involves actual events, not speculation based on quotes and things you're openly guessing at. "Expanded on it?" You don't even know what questions were asked. I mean...come on.. Weird how you won't acknowledge the other quotes from the player himself....but sure. To be perfectly frank, I don't think his leadership in the clubhouse brings anything to the table but toxicity. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 19:52:50 GMT -8
Caps lock = trying to make it simpler for you. The comedy here is you sticking to your story even though the players dispute your biased opinion. They can DFA him and I would be happy about that, but that doesn't take away from his clubhouse leadership and presence, which has been stated by actual players in the CLUBHOUSE, and not internet Ryan. Hmmmm, I think I'll go with that. You keep saying that they aren't going to say the opposite before the season starts, but they didn't need to go to the LENGTHS that they did describing his excellent clubhouse presence and leadership. They EXPANDED on it, but you go ahead and keep glossing over those FACTS. Like I said, your credibility on this subject is soooo tainted due to your personal dislike of him, it's absolutely ridiculous, and hilarious. You made that clear last year. Over the top. Just reporting the truth. When it happens again (if he stays), I'll be here for the acknowledgment. My credibility involves actual events, not speculation based on quotes and things you're openly guessing at. "Expanded on it?" You don't even know what questions were asked. I mean...come on.. Weird how you won't acknowledge the other quotes from the player himself....but sure. To be perfectly frank, I don't think his leadership in the clubhouse brings anything to the table but toxicity. Of course that's what you think. If it's as bad as you make it, Musgrove and the others sure look like fools for their testimonies, and the other players are laughing at them. Again, I'll believe the players before you, obviously, and their expanded endorsement of Hosmer's clubhouse leadership and presence, all day, every day. As far as acknowledgements go, you have failed to give one towards Hosmer in this regard, even though the high praise endorsement/testimony is right there for you. Not a good look on you. But, I would absolutely say I'm wrong if it turns out that way. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 22:12:00 GMT -8
Just reporting the truth. When it happens again (if he stays), I'll be here for the acknowledgment. My credibility involves actual events, not speculation based on quotes and things you're openly guessing at. "Expanded on it?" You don't even know what questions were asked. I mean...come on.. Weird how you won't acknowledge the other quotes from the player himself....but sure. To be perfectly frank, I don't think his leadership in the clubhouse brings anything to the table but toxicity. Of course that's what you think. If it's as bad as you make it, Musgrove and the others sure look like fools for their testimonies, and the other players are laughing at them. Again, I'll believe the players before you, obviously, and their expanded endorsement of Hosmer's clubhouse leadership and presence, all day, every day. As far as acknowledgements go, you have failed to give one towards Hosmer in this regard, even though the high praise endorsement/testimony is right there for you. Not a good look on you. But, I would absolutely say I'm wrong if it turns out that way. I'll believe that when I see it. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to acknowledge? Their quotes mean nothing, as I previously stated. It's lip service to support a teammate. Players aren't going to openly bash someone in a public outlet. We saw what happened last year, it wasn't a mirage. That's what actually matters here. Players openly admitting that his name being involved in trade rumors torpedoed the clubhouse. That's real. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 22:53:24 GMT -8
Of course that's what you think. If it's as bad as you make it, Musgrove and the others sure look like fools for their testimonies, and the other players are laughing at them. Again, I'll believe the players before you, obviously, and their expanded endorsement of Hosmer's clubhouse leadership and presence, all day, every day. As far as acknowledgements go, you have failed to give one towards Hosmer in this regard, even though the high praise endorsement/testimony is right there for you. Not a good look on you. But, I would absolutely say I'm wrong if it turns out that way. I'll believe that when I see it. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to acknowledge? Their quotes mean nothing, as I previously stated. It's lip service to support a teammate. Players aren't going to openly bash someone in a public outlet. We saw what happened last year, it wasn't a mirage. That's what actually matters here. Players openly admitting that his name being involved in trade rumors torpedoed the clubhouse. That's real. They're also not going to praise him as much as they did if it's not real. Musgrove, in particular, gave him a glowing endorsement. He absolutely did not need to go as far as he did with that praise if he was only trying to do lip service. Also, Hosmer's career reputation is that of a great clubhouse leader, and presence so it's absolutely not far fetched. Those are the points, amongst others. What you saw last year was a team riddled with injuries. That's the BIG reason for the collapse, not Hosmer as you've tried to pin it. Let's see how this all unfolds, and the bottom line is I'm hoping they can persevere and get to the playoffs for starters. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 4, 2022 0:46:58 GMT -8
And I don't know how many different ways I can say I'm not inflating or overinflating anything. What I know is on the record from multiple other connected people who put their stuff in print. You're wrong. I'd like for you just to be okay with that, for once. The rest is just myopic Little League cliche stuff that doesn't need to be addressed because it's obvious that the team isn't going to throw him under the bus for very specific reasons. Uh huh. Musgrove says that Hosmer is the "glue that brings everybody together in the clubhouse." Enough said. He absolutely DID NOT need to go to those lengths to defend him. He also said several other VERY compelling things about him in terms of his clubhouse presence. I choose to listen to Joe Musgrove, and not Ryan. Shocking, I know. Wil Myers. "It looks like he's staying." "Everybody in the clubhouse will be EXCITED about that." Again, he didn't need to speak for everybody in the clubhouse, unless he's certain it's true, but he did. And, he didn't need to go to those lengths. I choose to listen to those IN the clubhouse, with NO BIAS. I don’t know if you have any experience with being in a labor union….”brothers in solidarity” ect. Of course the locker room will be with him, I would hope they are all sticking together on this. The issue is the guys who actually write the checks aren’t acting like they are happy, which is usually the bottom line. Who knows, maybe Hosmer sticks around and gets motivated to actually hit the ball this year. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 4, 2022 7:45:19 GMT -8
Uh huh. Musgrove says that Hosmer is the "glue that brings everybody together in the clubhouse." Enough said. He absolutely DID NOT need to go to those lengths to defend him. He also said several other VERY compelling things about him in terms of his clubhouse presence. I choose to listen to Joe Musgrove, and not Ryan. Shocking, I know. Wil Myers. "It looks like he's staying." "Everybody in the clubhouse will be EXCITED about that." Again, he didn't need to speak for everybody in the clubhouse, unless he's certain it's true, but he did. And, he didn't need to go to those lengths. I choose to listen to those IN the clubhouse, with NO BIAS. I don’t know if you have any experience with being in a labor union….”brothers in solidarity” ect. Of course the locker room will be with him, I would hope they are all sticking together on this. The issue is the guys who actually write the checks aren’t acting like they are happy, which is usually the bottom line. Who knows, maybe Hosmer sticks around and gets motivated to actually hit the ball this year. I've had experience all the way up to minor league baseball. Played two years in the minors for the Baltimore Orioles. I can understand it if it were a superficial, "Hey, we're happy he's here, and I'm confident he's going to have a good year." Something like that. But, they're saying things like "he's the glue to the clubhouse, that brings everybody together." " He's a clubhouse leader." The positive impact he has in the clubhouse, etc... Read the quotes from Musgrove on page 2 of this thread, and Wil Myers, that Josh Jones posted. No way they speak of him that way if he's a cancer in clubhouse like Ryan says |
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Post by mactec on Apr 4, 2022 8:47:42 GMT -8
I see dozens of posts arguing about whether Hosmer is liked by his teammates, but who cares? We can't pay someone $20 million to be a cheerleader, hell we're only paying Bob Melvin $4 million (and that doesn't count towards the luxury tax) and I guarantee that BoMel will be more influential in the success of other players than our clubhouse leader who thinks advanced stats are for nerds. Regardless of how well-liked Hosmer is or isn't in the dugout, $20 million a year is too much to pay for that role. Dude was statistically a bottom 3 1st baseman in players with enough appearances. Awful defense and replacement level offense (which is not acceptable for a 1st baseman, as they should usually be above-average hitters since it's an easy defensive position. I don't think it's hyperbolic to say that he has the worst contract in the MLB right now.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 4, 2022 9:29:55 GMT -8
I see dozens of posts arguing about whether Hosmer is liked by his teammates, but who cares? We can't pay someone $20 million to be a cheerleader, hell we're only paying Bob Melvin $4 million (and that doesn't count towards the luxury tax) and I guarantee that BoMel will be more influential in the success of other players than our clubhouse leader who thinks advanced stats are for nerds. Regardless of how well-liked Hosmer is or isn't in the dugout, $20 million a year is too much to pay for that role. Dude was statistically a bottom 3 1st baseman in players with enough appearances. Awful defense and replacement level offense (which is not acceptable for a 1st baseman, as they should usually be above-average hitters since it's an easy defensive position. I don't think it's hyperbolic to say that he has the worst contract in the MLB right now. This has been clearly established throughout the threads concerning Hosmer. We're all in agreement that he needs to go. He has not played well enough to earn that money, and his contract is bogging down the Padres, financially. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 4, 2022 9:40:16 GMT -8
I see dozens of posts arguing about whether Hosmer is liked by his teammates, but who cares? We can't pay someone $20 million to be a cheerleader, hell we're only paying Bob Melvin $4 million (and that doesn't count towards the luxury tax) and I guarantee that BoMel will be more influential in the success of other players than our clubhouse leader who thinks advanced stats are for nerds. Regardless of how well-liked Hosmer is or isn't in the dugout, $20 million a year is too much to pay for that role. Dude was statistically a bottom 3 1st baseman in players with enough appearances. Awful defense and replacement level offense (which is not acceptable for a 1st baseman, as they should usually be above-average hitters since it's an easy defensive position. I don't think it's hyperbolic to say that he has the worst contract in the MLB right now. It's not quite the worst, but it's up there in terms of the damage it's done to the franchise's ability to navigate the luxury tax and make improvements to the roster. Positional versatility in today's game is absolutely crucial and the team doesn't have enough of it. Hosmer's a first baseman only (and is atrocious there) while providing no power at the position and no baserunning ability to round out the profile. Trading him though risks losing the clubhouse again. It's a brutal spot to be in, specifically in the NL West with two very competent, well-run franchises in San Francisco and LA. Bob Melvin hopefully counteracts a lot of this. |
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Post by aardvark on Apr 4, 2022 10:16:31 GMT -8
I see dozens of posts arguing about whether Hosmer is liked by his teammates, but who cares? We can't pay someone $20 million to be a cheerleader, hell we're only paying Bob Melvin $4 million (and that doesn't count towards the luxury tax) and I guarantee that BoMel will be more influential in the success of other players than our clubhouse leader who thinks advanced stats are for nerds. Regardless of how well-liked Hosmer is or isn't in the dugout, $20 million a year is too much to pay for that role. Dude was statistically a bottom 3 1st baseman in players with enough appearances. Awful defense and replacement level offense (which is not acceptable for a 1st baseman, as they should usually be above-average hitters since it's an easy defensive position. I don't think it's hyperbolic to say that he has the worst contract in the MLB right now. It's not quite the worst, but it's up there in terms of the damage it's done to the franchise's ability to navigate the luxury tax and make improvements to the roster. Positional versatility in today's game is absolutely crucial and the team doesn't have enough of it. Hosmer's a first baseman only (and is atrocious there) while providing no power at the position and no baserunning ability to round out the profile. Trading him though risks losing the clubhouse again. It's a brutal spot to be in, specifically in the NL West with two very competent, well-run franchises in San Francisco and LA. Bob Melvin hopefully counteracts a lot of this. On the Padres franchise, it's safe to say Hosmer's contract is the worst. |
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Post by survalli on Apr 4, 2022 10:26:05 GMT -8
the extremely toxic media coverage of all this has been no help. got to blame the organization for not getting a better handle on the situation. not to mention their failure to take care of the problem several years ago.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 4, 2022 11:43:07 GMT -8
It's not quite the worst, but it's up there in terms of the damage it's done to the franchise's ability to navigate the luxury tax and make improvements to the roster. Positional versatility in today's game is absolutely crucial and the team doesn't have enough of it. Hosmer's a first baseman only (and is atrocious there) while providing no power at the position and no baserunning ability to round out the profile. Trading him though risks losing the clubhouse again. It's a brutal spot to be in, specifically in the NL West with two very competent, well-run franchises in San Francisco and LA. Bob Melvin hopefully counteracts a lot of this. On the Padres franchise, it's safe to say Hosmer's contract is the worst. Yes, without question. I was talking in a league-wide context. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 6, 2022 13:54:14 GMT -8
Acee on the radio today: "A matter of when, not if" in regards to Hosmer being moved. He followed that up insisting that Hosmer is not "worthless" but then said the team "may not be able to move him."
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Post by azson on Apr 6, 2022 15:46:38 GMT -8
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Post by aardvark on Apr 6, 2022 16:02:48 GMT -8
You might want to look up some other contracts. Chris Davis, for example. |
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