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Post by aztecryan on Apr 2, 2022 10:34:00 GMT -8
Deserves its own thread with how advanced talks are, but the leaks from the Mets aren't helping matters. This will really test the Hosmer leadership brigade.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 2, 2022 11:26:35 GMT -8
Deserves its own thread with how advanced talks are, but the leaks from the Mets aren't helping matters. This will really test the Hosmer leadership brigade. I don't know enough about Dom Smith to give an opinion. Does he have upside? I think he hit 11 home runs last year with not a very good batting average. Is he a good fielder?
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 2, 2022 11:40:38 GMT -8
Deserves its own thread with how advanced talks are, but the leaks from the Mets aren't helping matters. This will really test the Hosmer leadership brigade. I don't know enough about Dom Smith to give an opinion. Does he have upside? I think he hit 11 home runs last year with not a very good batting average. Is he a good fielder? The trade isn't about Smith, it's about shedding Hosmer's salary and getting flexibility. Smith got MVP votes in 2020 and then played through a torn labrum last season which torpedoed his numbers. The bigger macro picture is the financial savings will allow the team to target a real outfield bat.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 2, 2022 11:50:54 GMT -8
I don't know enough about Dom Smith to give an opinion. Does he have upside? I think he hit 11 home runs last year with not a very good batting average. Is he a good fielder? The trade isn't about Smith, it's about shedding Hosmer's salary and getting flexibility. Smith got MVP votes in 2020 and then played through a torn labrum last season which torpedoed his numbers. The bigger macro picture is the financial savings will allow the team to target a real outfield bat. Ok, the answer to my question is Smith does not have a real outfield bat, since they'll be looking for a real one if the trade goes down. I was reading that Smith won't be happy in NY if the trade doesn't go down, because he doesn't want a platoon role. Sounds like he won't be happy here as well if he's out in the same position here. Hopefully, they can make it happen, although nobody wants an unhappy player.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 2, 2022 12:36:35 GMT -8
The trade isn't about Smith, it's about shedding Hosmer's salary and getting flexibility. Smith got MVP votes in 2020 and then played through a torn labrum last season which torpedoed his numbers. The bigger macro picture is the financial savings will allow the team to target a real outfield bat. Ok, the answer to my question is Smith does not have a real outfield bat, since they'll be looking for a real one if the trade goes down. I was reading that Smith won't be happy in NY if the trade doesn't go down, because he doesn't want a platoon role. Sounds like he won't be happy here as well if he's out in the same position here. Hopefully, they can make it happen, although nobody wants an unhappy player. Smith said he would welcome a trade to San Diego.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 2, 2022 12:57:36 GMT -8
Ok, the answer to my question is Smith does not have a real outfield bat, since they'll be looking for a real one if the trade goes down. I was reading that Smith won't be happy in NY if the trade doesn't go down, because he doesn't want a platoon role. Sounds like he won't be happy here as well if he's out in the same position here. Hopefully, they can make it happen, although nobody wants an unhappy player. Smith said he would welcome a trade to San Diego. Yeah, I heard that, but I question his happiness if he's going to platoon and pinch hit here, since he wouldn't be happy in that role in NY. He may have said that he welcomes the trade to San Diego based on what he thinks his role will be, or what he was told, but if what you say is true and they want to get a real bat, opposed to Dom's bat, I doubt he's going to be happy for very long.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 2, 2022 13:57:07 GMT -8
Deal is off.
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Post by junior on Apr 2, 2022 15:17:59 GMT -8
Of course the deal is dead. Padres are headed for another "also ran" season. The Dodgers just keep piling on the top-rated MLB players … while the Padres can't get a legitimate look.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 2, 2022 15:50:10 GMT -8
Of course the deal is dead. Padres are headed for another "also ran" season. The Dodgers just keep piling on the top-rated MLB players … while the Padres can't get a legitimate look. Not much seems to go smoothly with the Padres.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 2, 2022 16:13:00 GMT -8
The albatross that is Eric Hosmer just continues albatrossing. Or something.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 2, 2022 16:30:39 GMT -8
Of course the deal is dead. Padres are headed for another "also ran" season. The Dodgers just keep piling on the top-rated MLB players … while the Padres can't get a legitimate look. That's not what happened.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 2, 2022 16:31:06 GMT -8
The albatross that is Eric Hosmer just continues albatrossing. Or something. If you thought last year was bad....just wait and see what this turns into.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 2, 2022 16:58:33 GMT -8
The albatross that is Eric Hosmer just continues albatrossing. Or something. If you thought last year was bad....just wait and see what this turns into. What do you think it'll turn into?
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 2, 2022 18:50:01 GMT -8
The albatross that is Eric Hosmer just continues albatrossing. Or something. If you thought last year was bad....just wait and see what this turns into. Meh. If we can keep the injuries to a minimum, that will be the factor, and the most important issue this year. It really hurt us last year.
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Post by junior on Apr 2, 2022 19:41:51 GMT -8
Of course the deal is dead. Padres are headed for another "also ran" season. The Dodgers just keep piling on the top-rated MLB players … while the Padres can't get a legitimate look. That's not what happened. Then please detail exactly what did happen.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 2, 2022 19:48:54 GMT -8
That's not what happened. Then please detail exactly what did happen. Details of the trade were leaked (including specific financial numbers and players going to New York) before they even talked to Hosmer. It was negotiated publicly (again) by New York based media and the Mets essentially declined to take the bait after mulling it over for "days." The Mets intended to flip Hosmer to another team, but Hosmer has a specific veto clause in his contract that requires approval for him to be dealt to another team as part of a second transaction. In short, a ridiculous overstep by beat writers rushing to be first with the news without care for accuracy or quality reporting. Deals that are negotiated in public for hours don't end up well.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 2, 2022 19:51:27 GMT -8
If you thought last year was bad....just wait and see what this turns into. What do you think it'll turn into? A poisoned clubhouse. You can't let this happen (again) where a player knows the team has tried to move him now (unsuccessfully) twice at an exorbitant cost with the quotes from the media thrown in about how desperate the Padres are and how much money is being included to shed his contract. It's an utter disaster to have the rug yanked out from underneath the team for the second year in a row. Hosmer knows the team doesn't want him here and you're going to divide the players once again because of it. There's not really a way to come back from this now and the team is financially hamstrung on top of it with multiple holes to fill and no financial flexibility to do so. It's bad.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 2, 2022 21:07:31 GMT -8
What do you think it'll turn into? A poisoned clubhouse. You can't let this happen (again) where a player knows the team has tried to move him now (unsuccessfully) twice at an exorbitant cost with the quotes from the media thrown in about how desperate the Padres are and how much money is being included to shed his contract. It's an utter disaster to have the rug yanked out from underneath the team for the second year in a row. Hosmer knows the team doesn't want him here and you're going to divide the players once again because of it. There's not really a way to come back from this now and the team is financially hamstrung on top of it with multiple holes to fill and no financial flexibility to do so. It's bad. Or, they act like professionals and keep the off the field stuff, off the field, and have a great year with people stepping up. Hosmer has obviously known for quite some time that the team is looking to trade him, and so have the players. They've been there, and done that situation. If they can't act like professionals and let that affect their on the field performance, then they're not strong minded enough to win a World Series anyway. Like I said, the Tatis injury and if they get hit hard by injuries again this year, will be their downfall. I'll be VERY disappointed if the team lets this situation tear them apart. It's such a common issue in MLB. Teams go through it all the time and if it does poison the clubhouse, they don't belong in the hunt anyway.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 2, 2022 22:05:33 GMT -8
A poisoned clubhouse. You can't let this happen (again) where a player knows the team has tried to move him now (unsuccessfully) twice at an exorbitant cost with the quotes from the media thrown in about how desperate the Padres are and how much money is being included to shed his contract. It's an utter disaster to have the rug yanked out from underneath the team for the second year in a row. Hosmer knows the team doesn't want him here and you're going to divide the players once again because of it. There's not really a way to come back from this now and the team is financially hamstrung on top of it with multiple holes to fill and no financial flexibility to do so. It's bad. Or, they act like professionals and keep the off the field stuff, off the field, and have a great year with people stepping up. Hosmer has obviously known for quite some time that the team is looking to trade him, and so have the players. They've been there, and done that situation. If they can't act like professionals and let that affect their on the field performance, then they're not strong minded enough to win a World Series anyway. Like I said, the Tatis injury and if they get hit hard by injuries again this year, will be their downfall. I'll be VERY disappointed if the team lets this situation tear them apart. It's such a common issue in MLB. Teams go through it all the time and if it does poison the clubhouse, they don't belong in the hunt anyway. There is a massive difference between open negotiations that are aired over social media for hours only for the team to decide "Well, this guy isn't worth trading for after players were already notified." I'd like to live in a universe where everything can pretend to be fine, but these guys are human beings and the situation became untenable last July with the Scherzer situation and now it's happened again, only much more publicly. Now, Hosmer is essentially immovable so you're stuck with a negative asset for the foreseeable future.
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Post by junior on Apr 2, 2022 22:45:54 GMT -8
Sounds like Hosmer's got an Ace (or maybe an Acee) in the hole …
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