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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 3, 2022 2:27:42 GMT -8
The real problem is that Hosmer just isn’t that good. Maybe he would still be fooling the Padres in the pre WAR years, but right now he is a .260 hitter with zero power and overrated defensive skills. Most MLB teams need more than that from the 1st base position. He has almost zero trade value and should probably be considering his life after baseball. Maybe a throw in to Pittsburg (the Pads pay most if not all of his salary) along with Paddack and another player to acquire Bryan Reynolds.
He is radioactive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 6:07:58 GMT -8
“ “I know there’s a lot of bad talk about him within the fan base and people seeming to kind of give up on him and stuff,” right-hander Joe Musgrove said, “but the impact that he has on a team, in the clubhouse, who he is as a leader, the way that he kind of is the glue that brings everyone together in the clubhouse, is something that you can’t really measure with stats or computers. It’s something that only the guys in the room will know.”
“It sounds like he’s going to stay with us, which is great,” outfielder Wil Myers said. “I think everybody in the clubhouse is excited about that.”
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 7:35:13 GMT -8
“ “I know there’s a lot of bad talk about him within the fan base and people seeming to kind of give up on him and stuff,” right-hander Joe Musgrove said, “but the impact that he has on a team, in the clubhouse, who he is as a leader, the way that he kind of is the glue that brings everyone together in the clubhouse, is something that you can’t really measure with stats or computers. It’s something that only the guys in the room will know.” “It sounds like he’s going to stay with us, which is great,” outfielder Wil Myers said. “I think everybody in the clubhouse is excited about that.” This has been his reputation his whole career. I listen to players and their testimony. Period. Thanks for posting this, to put some REAL evidence into the issue.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 9:44:36 GMT -8
“ “I know there’s a lot of bad talk about him within the fan base and people seeming to kind of give up on him and stuff,” right-hander Joe Musgrove said, “but the impact that he has on a team, in the clubhouse, who he is as a leader, the way that he kind of is the glue that brings everyone together in the clubhouse, is something that you can’t really measure with stats or computers. It’s something that only the guys in the room will know.” “It sounds like he’s going to stay with us, which is great,” outfielder Wil Myers said. “I think everybody in the clubhouse is excited about that.” This has been his reputation his whole career. I listen to players and their testimony. Period. Thanks for posting this, to put some REAL evidence into the issue. This isn't real evidence. It's lip service. Musgrove said he's having a great spring (hitting .190 with a sub .300 OBP doesn't qualify) and even if your teammates can tolerate you, you're paid to produce. You're not paid to take backhanded swipes at your general manager in the media while complaining about the process.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 11:39:10 GMT -8
This has been his reputation his whole career. I listen to players and their testimony. Period. Thanks for posting this, to put some REAL evidence into the issue. This isn't real evidence. It's lip service. Musgrove said he's having a great spring (hitting .190 with a sub .300 OBP doesn't qualify) and even if your teammates can tolerate you, you're paid to produce. You're not paid to take backhanded swipes at your general manager in the media while complaining about the process. You use words like "tolerate" to describe their relationship with him, which I'm not surprised you do. When Musgrove says he's having a good spring, maybe he's been hitting the ball on the button with nothing to show for it, or he's been fielding well, etc... It's not ALL about stats, all the time. Again, anybody would take the players opinions rather than an internet, biased guy, any day of the week. Ryan, those guys didn't have to say ANYTHING about Hosmer. Silence would have been more proof than anything. You ABSOLUTELY would have used those quotes to defend someone, but since it's someone you don't care for, of course you'll diminish it. You're credibility on the Hosmer issue goes out the door, since you just can't stay unbiased. It falls on deaf ears.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 3, 2022 11:54:56 GMT -8
This isn't real evidence. It's lip service. Musgrove said he's having a great spring (hitting .190 with a sub .300 OBP doesn't qualify) and even if your teammates can tolerate you, you're paid to produce. You're not paid to take backhanded swipes at your general manager in the media while complaining about the process. You use words like "tolerate" to describe their relationship with him, which I'm not surprised you do. When Musgrove says he's having a good spring, maybe he's been hitting the ball on the button with nothing to show for it, or he's been fielding well, etc... It's not ALL about stats, all the time. Again, anybody would take the players opinions rather than an internet, biased guy, any day of the week. Ryan, those guys didn't have to say ANYTHING about Hosmer. Silence would have been more proof than anything. You ABSOLUTELY would have used those quotes to defend someone, but since it's someone you don't care for, of course you'll diminish it. You're credibility on the Hosmer issue goes out the door, since you just can't stay unbiased. It falls on deaf ears. It will be more interesting as to what is said--or isn't said--by other Padres players AFTER Hosmer is traded (should that ever happen). You certainly wouldn't want other players bad-mouthing Hosmer, or anyone else on the club, during Spring Training, leading up to the regular season. The albatross keeps albatrossing.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 12:09:11 GMT -8
You use words like "tolerate" to describe their relationship with him, which I'm not surprised you do. When Musgrove says he's having a good spring, maybe he's been hitting the ball on the button with nothing to show for it, or he's been fielding well, etc... It's not ALL about stats, all the time. Again, anybody would take the players opinions rather than an internet, biased guy, any day of the week. Ryan, those guys didn't have to say ANYTHING about Hosmer. Silence would have been more proof than anything. You ABSOLUTELY would have used those quotes to defend someone, but since it's someone you don't care for, of course you'll diminish it. You're credibility on the Hosmer issue goes out the door, since you just can't stay unbiased. It falls on deaf ears. It will be more interesting as to what is said--or isn't said--by other Padres players AFTER Hosmer is traded (should that ever happen). You certainly wouldn't want other players bad-mouthing Hosmer, or anyone else on the club, during Spring Training, leading up to the regular season. The albatross keeps albatrossing. Yes, I agree. That will be more telling. Like I said, no one has to say anything, yet they did. I'm hoping they can get a trade done. Maybe with acquiring Manaea, it gives them more flexibility.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 3, 2022 12:17:07 GMT -8
It will be more interesting as to what is said--or isn't said--by other Padres players AFTER Hosmer is traded (should that ever happen). You certainly wouldn't want other players bad-mouthing Hosmer, or anyone else on the club, during Spring Training, leading up to the regular season. The albatross keeps albatrossing. Yes, I agree. That will be more telling. Like I said, no one has to say anything, yet they did. I'm hoping they can get a trade done. Maybe with acquiring Manaea, it gives them more flexibility. They will still be stuck with eating most of that contract, unless a miracle happens. Or another team is just really dumb. The other Padres said just what you would expect at this time of the season.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 12:24:43 GMT -8
This isn't real evidence. It's lip service. Musgrove said he's having a great spring (hitting .190 with a sub .300 OBP doesn't qualify) and even if your teammates can tolerate you, you're paid to produce. You're not paid to take backhanded swipes at your general manager in the media while complaining about the process. You use words like "tolerate" to describe their relationship with him, which I'm not surprised you do. When Musgrove says he's having a good spring, maybe he's been hitting the ball on the button with nothing to show for it, or he's been fielding well, etc... It's not ALL about stats, all the time. Again, anybody would take the players opinions rather than an internet, biased guy, any day of the week. Ryan, those guys didn't have to say ANYTHING about Hosmer. Silence would have been more proof than anything. You ABSOLUTELY would have used those quotes to defend someone, but since it's someone you don't care for, of course you'll diminish it. You're credibility on the Hosmer issue goes out the door, since you just can't stay unbiased. It falls on deaf ears. It wouldn't matter what I say to you because you once again come back to unformulated opinion that has zero relevance beyond pie in the sky things. I've watched spring. He booted a ball just two days ago, badly. He's hit into multiple double plays. It's not a matter of hitting the ball hard if you can't elevate it off the ground. Most importantly, he showed up to camp out of shape again and has shown zero desire (through the media) of improving, despite his trade status. What are they going to say when asked? Nothing? Really? That's not happening. They have to look the part of cohesive or it gets worse. And again, I don't care if he's liked by his teammates. You are paid to PRODUCE. This isn't a popularity contest. He can be popular, but if he can't produce up to the value of his deal with all the clubhouse distractions, he has to go. And this is to say nothing of the financial ramifications on top of it.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 12:37:13 GMT -8
You use words like "tolerate" to describe their relationship with him, which I'm not surprised you do. When Musgrove says he's having a good spring, maybe he's been hitting the ball on the button with nothing to show for it, or he's been fielding well, etc... It's not ALL about stats, all the time. Again, anybody would take the players opinions rather than an internet, biased guy, any day of the week. Ryan, those guys didn't have to say ANYTHING about Hosmer. Silence would have been more proof than anything. You ABSOLUTELY would have used those quotes to defend someone, but since it's someone you don't care for, of course you'll diminish it. You're credibility on the Hosmer issue goes out the door, since you just can't stay unbiased. It falls on deaf ears. It wouldn't matter what I say to you because you once again come back to unformulated opinion that has zero relevance beyond pie in the sky things. I've watched spring. He booted a ball just two days ago, badly. He's hit into multiple double plays. It's not a matter of hitting the ball hard if you can't elevate it off the ground. Most importantly, he showed up to camp out of shape again and has shown zero desire (through the media) of improving, despite his trade status. What are they going to say when asked? Nothing? Really? That's not happening. They have to look the part of cohesive or it gets worse. And again, I don't care if he's liked by his teammates. You are paid to PRODUCE. This isn't a popularity contest. He can be popular, but if he can't produce up to the value of his deal with all the clubhouse distractions, he has to go. And this is to say nothing of the financial ramifications on top of it. I don't know how many times I have to say that I agree he hasn't produced like he should and I was hoping they could get rid of him based on that and his contract. I'm talking about you over inflating the clubhouse issue concerning him, and that he was a BIG reason for the collapse, as you stated. Musgrove, etc, didn't need to praise his clubhouse presence the way he did if he really didn't feel that way. Musgrove says he's the "glue that brings everybody together." He didn't have to go to those lengths to describe his clubhouse presence. Enough said. I'll agree with you all day long on him not playing up to his contract and the need to get rid of him, so no need to bring that up anymore.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 12:45:42 GMT -8
It wouldn't matter what I say to you because you once again come back to unformulated opinion that has zero relevance beyond pie in the sky things. I've watched spring. He booted a ball just two days ago, badly. He's hit into multiple double plays. It's not a matter of hitting the ball hard if you can't elevate it off the ground. Most importantly, he showed up to camp out of shape again and has shown zero desire (through the media) of improving, despite his trade status. What are they going to say when asked? Nothing? Really? That's not happening. They have to look the part of cohesive or it gets worse. And again, I don't care if he's liked by his teammates. You are paid to PRODUCE. This isn't a popularity contest. He can be popular, but if he can't produce up to the value of his deal with all the clubhouse distractions, he has to go. And this is to say nothing of the financial ramifications on top of it. I don't know how many times I have to say that I agree he hasn't produced like he should and I was hoping they could get rid of him based on that and his contract. I'm talking about you over inflating the clubhouse issue concerning him, and that he was a BIG reason for the collapse, as you stated. Musgrove, etc, didn't need to praise his clubhouse presence the way he did if he really didn't feel that way. I'll agree with you all day long on him not playing up to his contract and the need to get rid of him, so no need to bring that up anymore. And I don't know how many different ways I can say I'm not inflating or overinflating anything. What I know is on the record from multiple other connected people who put their stuff in print. You're wrong. I'd like for you just to be okay with that, for once. The rest is just myopic Little League cliche stuff that doesn't need to be addressed because it's obvious that the team isn't going to throw him under the bus for very specific reasons.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 12:50:43 GMT -8
I don't know how many times I have to say that I agree he hasn't produced like he should and I was hoping they could get rid of him based on that and his contract. I'm talking about you over inflating the clubhouse issue concerning him, and that he was a BIG reason for the collapse, as you stated. Musgrove, etc, didn't need to praise his clubhouse presence the way he did if he really didn't feel that way. I'll agree with you all day long on him not playing up to his contract and the need to get rid of him, so no need to bring that up anymore. And I don't know how many different ways I can say I'm not inflating or overinflating anything. What I know is on the record from multiple other connected people who put their stuff in print. You're wrong. I'd like for you just to be okay with that, for once. The rest is just myopic Little League cliche stuff that doesn't need to be addressed because it's obvious that the team isn't going to throw him under the bus for very specific reasons. Uh huh. Musgrove says that Hosmer is the "glue that brings everybody together in the clubhouse." Enough said. He absolutely DID NOT need to go to those lengths to defend him. He also said several other VERY compelling things about him in terms of his clubhouse presence. I choose to listen to Joe Musgrove, and not Ryan. Shocking, I know. Wil Myers. "It looks like he's staying." "Everybody in the clubhouse will be EXCITED about that." Again, he didn't need to speak for everybody in the clubhouse, unless he's certain it's true, but he did. And, he didn't need to go to those lengths. I choose to listen to those IN the clubhouse, with NO BIAS.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 12:55:28 GMT -8
And I don't know how many different ways I can say I'm not inflating or overinflating anything. What I know is on the record from multiple other connected people who put their stuff in print. You're wrong. I'd like for you just to be okay with that, for once. The rest is just myopic Little League cliche stuff that doesn't need to be addressed because it's obvious that the team isn't going to throw him under the bus for very specific reasons. Uh huh. Musgrove says that Hosmer is the "glue that brings everybody together in the clubhouse." Enough said. He absolutely DID NOT need to go to those lengths to defend him. He also said several other VERY compelling things about him in terms of his clubhouse presence. I choose to listen to Joe Musgrove, and not Ryan. Shocking, I know. What do you expect him to say in the Athletic? You can't be this naive. It's literally impossible. "My teammate sucks, but I have to defend him because he's my teammate?" I read the article. I know what he said. It's lip service to try and keep a clubhouse unified. It happens everywhere, on all levels. It doesn't make it true, it doesn't make it important, it doesn't make it relevant or nullify the seriously bad things that happened last season or could happen this year. "He's having a great spring"....I mean, LOL? Enough said, honestly. I'm perfectly fine in my stance, as a neutral observer and a person who doesn't just blindly believe press clippings when they are framed without comment.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 13:06:17 GMT -8
Couldn't have scripted that moment any better.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 13:16:27 GMT -8
Uh huh. Musgrove says that Hosmer is the "glue that brings everybody together in the clubhouse." Enough said. He absolutely DID NOT need to go to those lengths to defend him. He also said several other VERY compelling things about him in terms of his clubhouse presence. I choose to listen to Joe Musgrove, and not Ryan. Shocking, I know. What do you expect him to say in the Athletic? You can't be this naive. It's literally impossible. "My teammate sucks, but I have to defend him because he's my teammate?" I read the article. I know what he said. It's lip service to try and keep a clubhouse unified. It happens everywhere, on all levels. It doesn't make it true, it doesn't make it important, it doesn't make it relevant or nullify the seriously bad things that happened last season or could happen this year. "He's having a great spring"....I mean, LOL? Enough said, honestly. I'm perfectly fine in my stance, as a neutral observer and a person who doesn't just blindly believe press clippings when they are framed without comment. Nah. They didn't have to go to those lengths and say, for just ONE example, that he was the "glue to the clubhouse presence." Give me a break. Also, are you really that naive to think that you don't look incredibly biased in this? Remember, I'm not the only one who's noticed on here. You can try and diminish it all you want, but your bias towards him personally from the get go, has been absolutely clear. Just say it Ryan, Hosmer was not the BIG reason for the collapse as you stated. Don't let that bias you have towards him, tarnish you.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 13:19:26 GMT -8
What do you expect him to say in the Athletic? You can't be this naive. It's literally impossible. "My teammate sucks, but I have to defend him because he's my teammate?" I read the article. I know what he said. It's lip service to try and keep a clubhouse unified. It happens everywhere, on all levels. It doesn't make it true, it doesn't make it important, it doesn't make it relevant or nullify the seriously bad things that happened last season or could happen this year. "He's having a great spring"....I mean, LOL? Enough said, honestly. I'm perfectly fine in my stance, as a neutral observer and a person who doesn't just blindly believe press clippings when they are framed without comment. Nah. They didn't have to go to those lengths and say, for just ONE example, that he was the "glue to the clubhouse presence." Give me a break. Also, are you really that naive to think that you don't look incredibly biased in this? Remember, I'm not the only one who's noticed on here. You can try and diminish it all you want, but your bias towards him personally from the get go has been absolutely clear. Just say it Ryan, Hosmer was not the BIG reason for the collapse as you stated. Don't let that bias you have towards him, tarnish you. Can't get through to you and I don't care about the opinions of others who want to claim bias. I know I'm not biased because I know me and know the game. Keep trying to discredit me with stupidity, it's alright. I understand. You can keep harping on the same points without any evidence. You just look silly trying to point out the same things again and again when we saw what happened last season after the trade deadline.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 13:21:14 GMT -8
Nah. They didn't have to go to those lengths and say, for just ONE example, that he was the "glue to the clubhouse presence." Give me a break. Also, are you really that naive to think that you don't look incredibly biased in this? Remember, I'm not the only one who's noticed on here. You can try and diminish it all you want, but your bias towards him personally from the get go has been absolutely clear. Just say it Ryan, Hosmer was not the BIG reason for the collapse as you stated. Don't let that bias you have towards him, tarnish you. Can't get through to you. Keep trying to discredit me with stupidity, it's alright. I understand. You know what they say about name calling. It's the first sign that you've lost the argument. Keep telling yourself that you're neutral. Lol.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 13:25:07 GMT -8
Can't get through to you. Keep trying to discredit me with stupidity, it's alright. I understand. You know what they say about name calling. It's the first sign that you've lost the argument. Keep telling yourself that you're neutral. Lol. Sorry, but your refusal to admit reality deserves the mantra. I can defend my position. You can't. I've done so. You haven't. Imagine telling someone over and over that they are incorrect, despite having knowledge of the situation and them just saying "Doesn't count, you're biased." I don't have a bias towards anyone. I would call out Wil or anyone else in the same situation. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I'm tired of arguing with someone who doesn't have common sense. It's a waste.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 3, 2022 13:35:13 GMT -8
You know what they say about name calling. It's the first sign that you've lost the argument. Keep telling yourself that you're neutral. Lol. Sorry, but your refusal to admit reality deserves the mantra. I can defend my position. You can't. I've done so. You haven't. Imagine telling someone over and over that they are incorrect and them just saying "Doesn't count, you're biased." I don't have a bias towards anyone. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I'm tired of arguing with someone who doesn't have common sense. This is too funny. Quotes come out to defend Hosmer's excellent clubhouse presence, profusely, and you say that I can only say that you're biased. Before those quotes from the players came out, it was clear that he doesn't have an issue in the clubhouse. He has a GREAT reputation as a great clubhouse guy, yet you continually over inflate things because of your bias. Myself, and others before have called you out on it. It's clear. CRYSTAL clear that you have a bias, and you've even admitted that you don't like him. Yeah, I'm tired of someone who can't own up to an issue they have, and look ridiculous while sticking to it. So be it.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2022 15:09:02 GMT -8
Sorry, but your refusal to admit reality deserves the mantra. I can defend my position. You can't. I've done so. You haven't. Imagine telling someone over and over that they are incorrect and them just saying "Doesn't count, you're biased." I don't have a bias towards anyone. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I'm tired of arguing with someone who doesn't have common sense. This is too funny. Quotes come out to defend Hosmer's excellent clubhouse presence, profusely, and you say that I can only say that you're biased. Before those quotes from the players came out, it was clear that he doesn't have an issue in the clubhouse. He has a GREAT reputation as a great clubhouse guy, yet you continually over inflate things because of your bias. Myself, and others before have called you out on it. It's clear. CRYSTAL clear that you have a bias, and you've even admitted that you don't like him. Yeah, I'm tired of someone who can't own up to an issue they have, and look ridiculous while sticking to it. So be it. Him being liked by his teammates doesn't make him a great clubhouse presence on its own. There are far more complex dynamics in play to that scenario. That should be pretty easy to decipher, I would hope. Not liking someone doesn't categorically make them "biased." Clear that he doesn't have an issue in the clubhouse? He just called out his own general manager in the Union-Tribune three weeks ago. The same general manager who signed him to a record breaking deal four years ago. I can't believe just because a few teammates come out and endorse him to a media publication that this has to be explained to you when there's also plenty of evidence to the contrary. We're supposed to take certain things as gospel, but ignore the rest of it? Why?
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