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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2022 11:24:23 GMT -8
No, for the reasons I stated above, it's the money. Yes, you have to spend it right, but when you can shrug off a bad big money free agent signing that's a HUGE advantage over teams who are crippled by that type of signing for years. You have a HUGE advantage when you can load up on top level players, when other teams have to go the bargain basement route and HOPE that the players improve and play well together. And teams like the Padres are crippled by injuries, where a team that has more money buys greater depth, so their backups are as good as the starters on the Padres roster. Money is a huge factor. It's foolish to think otherwise. I'm not saying it's not important. I'm saying your idea that it's the only thing or the most important thing is wrong. If that were the case, the Dodgers would have more than 1 title since I was born. The Yankees haven't won a title in over a decade. Teams can compete in a variety of payroll situations. That's not an opinion. Yes, they can compete, but not as regularly as the big market teams. There are reasons why the Dodgers are a lot of times in contention for the title and the big payroll plays a big part in it. Just reload. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 11:33:48 GMT -8
Having a big payroll is great, but only if you have an Exec who knows how to spend it. Case in point: New York Mets and their issues.
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 17, 2022 11:34:37 GMT -8
I think that we would be okay (not good, but okay) if Tatis wasn't injured. Then we could have Kim at 2nd, Cronenworth at 1st and Hosmer at DH. Then we would have good defense throughout the infield, and we could at some point trade Hosmer away for a bat at any position to upgrade the DH. If anyone in the infield got injured we could just call up Abrams. Who knows - if Abrams plays well in spring training, maybe he starts the season at 2nd base. Wil Myers is not nearly as bad as Hosmer. If anything he's a candidate to have a bounce back year. Personally I would like us to just cut Hosmer once we get a big bat to replace him at DH and hold onto Hassell. Hassell fills a huge organizational need as an outfield power bat. It may end up being resigning Pham + signing Conforto (worst case scenario) Hassell isn't a power bat. He has really good pitch recognition and contact skills, and he's very young. He isn't a power bat right now... but he should develop some power. He is a very good hitter, high OPS, regardless- he's a good bat, and that is an organizational need in the outfield |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 11:40:40 GMT -8
The Dodgers have the second biggest media market in the country, a TV deal in the billions and most importantly, they have competency in player personnel/development that allows them to have flexibility to go sign free agents. They have an extremely low number of players going through arbitration, which lowers their financial ceiling by paying guys either guaranteed deals or pre-arbitration league minimums. Exactly, and this why they can't keep pace. Like I said, this isn't a tired argument, or an excuse, it's reality. It's not about keeping pace, it's about winning championships, last I checked. Regular season trophies? Not a thing. |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 11:42:55 GMT -8
I'm not saying it's not important. I'm saying your idea that it's the only thing or the most important thing is wrong. If that were the case, the Dodgers would have more than 1 title since I was born. The Yankees haven't won a title in over a decade. Teams can compete in a variety of payroll situations. That's not an opinion. If you look at either the cumulative W/L records over the last 20 years, or look at the number of winning seasons VS losing seasons, teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc, have a MUCH better record over that time than the small/mid market teams. And it's not even close. Big market teams rarely have losing seasons. Small/Mid market teams have more losing seasons than winning seasons. Sorry, but that's bull$#!+. That's a system designed to put the big market teams in the playoffs every year for TV ratings. It's not a system designed for competitive balance, like I said, it's a sytem designed to keep the big market teams in the playoffs every year. It's all about the TV ratings. Small/Mid market teams are supposed to be the sacrificial lambs for the big boys. I've seen you argue this every single year. It's not about winning records over 20 seasons. It's about championships. Every team could choose to compete if they want to. Your gripe is with owners that refuse to engage in good faith economics and invest in their team. That's not competitive imbalance, it's corporate greed. |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 11:44:28 GMT -8
Hassell isn't a power bat. He has really good pitch recognition and contact skills, and he's very young. He isn't a power bat right now... but he should develop some power. He is a very good hitter, high OPS, regardless- he's a good bat, and that is an organizational need in the outfield The concern with Hassell around baseball and even inside the organization is does he stick in center field and does the power come out to at least league average. He's a very talented pure hitter, but he's on a lower plane than a guy like Abrams. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 17, 2022 11:54:14 GMT -8
The Dodgers, even factoring in the dreadful Frank McCourt years, only had TWO losing seasons out of the last 20 years. TWO. Think about that!
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 17, 2022 11:56:58 GMT -8
Exactly, and this why they can't keep pace. Like I said, this isn't a tired argument, or an excuse, it's reality. It's not about keeping pace, it's about winning championships, last I checked. Regular season trophies? Not a thing. So... You're OK with having consistent 70-92 records as long as you win a title once every 20 years? I'm not. I want a team that can actually COMPETE and be a winner on the field. I don't go to games to watch a team lose. I want my teams to WIN. When they're bad and you know they're likely going to lose, what's the point? I don't reward incompetence or poor performances. The Dodgers have had only 2 losing seasons in the last 20 years. MONEY is the main reason why. |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 12:07:37 GMT -8
It's not about keeping pace, it's about winning championships, last I checked. Regular season trophies? Not a thing. So... You're OK with having consistent 70-92 records as long as you win a title once every 20 years? I'm not. I want a team that can actually COMPETE and be a winner on the field. I don't go to games to watch a team lose. I want my teams to WIN. When they're bad and you know they're likely going to lose, what's the point? I don't reward incompetence or poor performances. The Dodgers have had only 2 losing seasons in the last 20 years. MONEY is the main reason why. It is *a* reason, not the main reason. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 17, 2022 12:12:25 GMT -8
So... You're OK with having consistent 70-92 records as long as you win a title once every 20 years? I'm not. I want a team that can actually COMPETE and be a winner on the field. I don't go to games to watch a team lose. I want my teams to WIN. When they're bad and you know they're likely going to lose, what's the point? I don't reward incompetence or poor performances. The Dodgers have had only 2 losing seasons in the last 20 years. MONEY is the main reason why. It is *a* reason, not the main reason. When ONLY big market, big money teams have a 20 year record like that it is clearly the MAIN reason why. |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 12:29:29 GMT -8
It is *a* reason, not the main reason. When ONLY big market, big money teams have a 20 year record like that it is clearly the MAIN reason why. Best winning percentages since 2000, to cherrypick your data... Yankees Cardinals (Not a big market team) Dodgers Red Sox Braves (Not a big market team) A's (Have you looked at Oakland recently?) Angels (Can't even win a playoff series) Giants Indians (Not a big market team) Phillies Sure doesn't seem like your point holds water looking at the data. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2022 12:39:24 GMT -8
Exactly, and this why they can't keep pace. Like I said, this isn't a tired argument, or an excuse, it's reality. It's not about keeping pace, it's about winning championships, last I checked. Regular season trophies? Not a thing. They can't keep pace with the Dodgers in the FA market, is what I'm talking about, which in turn does not give them a great chance at winning those Championships. There ya go. |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 12:41:50 GMT -8
It's not about keeping pace, it's about winning championships, last I checked. Regular season trophies? Not a thing. They can't keep pace with the Dodgers in the FA market, is what I'm talking about, which in turn does not give them a great chance at winning those Championships. There ya go. Look at the Dodger roster again. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2022 12:42:29 GMT -8
So... You're OK with having consistent 70-92 records as long as you win a title once every 20 years? I'm not. I want a team that can actually COMPETE and be a winner on the field. I don't go to games to watch a team lose. I want my teams to WIN. When they're bad and you know they're likely going to lose, what's the point? I don't reward incompetence or poor performances. The Dodgers have had only 2 losing seasons in the last 20 years. MONEY is the main reason why. It is *a* reason, not the main reason. I agree it is A reason and not the only reason. If you go after a guy who's over the hill, but is a big name just to make a splash, amongst other reasons, that's when teams get in trouble. You have to have a smart decision maker to go along with it. |
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Post by azteca on Mar 17, 2022 12:49:47 GMT -8
They can't keep pace with the Dodgers in the FA market, is what I'm talking about, which in turn does not give them a great chance at winning those Championships. There ya go. Look at the Dodger roster again. Ryan, a serious question.....do the Padres pay you in any capacity? |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 12:59:01 GMT -8
Look at the Dodger roster again. Ryan, a serious question.....do the Padres pay you in any capacity? What does that have to do with the question at hand? No, I'm not a Padres employee. |
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Post by azteca on Mar 17, 2022 13:08:32 GMT -8
Ryan, a serious question.....do the Padres pay you in any capacity? What does that have to do with the question at hand? No, I'm not a Padres employee. Nothing, but you usually seem to be an apologist for them. Nuff said by me on this |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 13:39:16 GMT -8
What does that have to do with the question at hand? No, I'm not a Padres employee. Nothing, but you usually seem to be an apologist for them. Nuff said by me on this An apologist? Where? The question was regarding the Dodgers. I think you're confusing "apologist" with "realist." |
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Post by azteca on Mar 17, 2022 13:53:57 GMT -8
Nothing, but you usually seem to be an apologist for them. Nuff said by me on this An apologist? Where? The question was regarding the Dodgers. I think you're confusing "apologist" with "realist."[/quote I meant what I said |
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Post by aardvark on Mar 17, 2022 14:27:11 GMT -8
Obviously not enough to keep reloading like the Dodgers and keep pace. The Dodgers have the second biggest media market in the country, a TV deal in the billions and most importantly, they have competency in player personnel/development that allows them to have flexibility to go sign free agents. They have an extremely low number of players going through arbitration, which lowers their financial ceiling by paying guys either guaranteed deals or pre-arbitration league minimums. Is most of LA still blacked out from watching home games of the Dodgers, or was that impasse finally settled? |
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