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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2022 10:24:06 GMT -8
Actually, it is. Not many differences. Of course, the Dodgers are a freaking juggernaut. The Giants are still a better team. Standing pat was stupid if this organization legitimately wants to contend for the WS title. Then again, they don't have the money to compete. There is a huge competitive imbalance in the league, and that's abundantly clear in the NL West where the Dodgers have more money than anyone but the Yankees and they're spending ALL of it on players. No cap, so why not? They're trying to buy a WS title. How do you compete with that when you've only got 1/5 the revenue? Simple. You can't. This argument is so tired. Why is this so tired, when it's a known reality?
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 10:24:53 GMT -8
This argument is so tired. So tired, and yet the Dodgers and Giants have been loading up on talent while we're standing still. And that's just our division. The gap is widening, not closing. I must have missed what the Giants loaded up on? LA is replacing top level production with top level production. Once you get to a certain measurement, you can't really incrementally get that much better. It's not like Freeman goes in there and adds five or six wins.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 10:25:59 GMT -8
This argument is so tired. Why is this so tired, when it's a known reality? Because it's not...and it's not true.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 10:29:39 GMT -8
Put me down for 86 wins. 3rd in the West.
Underwhelming free agency for SD, so far.
----"Now, Machado has neither Cruz nor Tatis beside him. The latter underwent surgery Wednesday morning to repair a fractured wrist. The Padres are projecting that Tatis, who hit 42 home runs in 2021, will be sidelined for up to three months. Machado is coming off a season in which he supplied 28 home runs, second-most on the team, and his typical sterling defense. For the Padres to survive without Tatis, Machado might have to do more.
The situation appears a bit dire. Cruz is headed to Washington. On Wednesday, three outfielders of interest — Seiya Suzuki, Kyle Schwarber and Kris Bryant — reached agreements with other teams. Some notable trade targets, including first baseman Matt Olson and outfielder Jesse Winker, have been shipped elsewhere. San Diego has been linked to free-agent first baseman Freddie Freeman, but the club’s payroll is already around $200 million, and an Eric Hosmer trade would be a prerequisite. Ha-Seong Kim, who hit .202 in his major-league debut, is expected to see significant time at shortstop while Tatis is out." -Dennis Lin, The Athletic
(obviously Freeman is a Dodger now)
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Post by aardvark on Mar 17, 2022 10:30:01 GMT -8
So tired, and yet the Dodgers and Giants have been loading up on talent while we're standing still. And that's just our division. The gap is widening, not closing. I must have missed what the Giants loaded up on? LA is replacing top level production with top level production. Once you get to a certain measurement, you can't really incrementally get that much better. It's not like Freeman goes in there and adds five or six wins. Freeman doesn't add wins. Then again, when you're coming off a 106-win season, do you really have to add 5 or 6 more?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 10:30:48 GMT -8
I was surprised at the deal the Rockies gave Bryant. That's still a pretty bad roster, I'd have spread out the cash for more quality depth.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2022 10:31:56 GMT -8
Why is this so tired, when it's a known reality? Because it's not...and it's not true. Oh, ok. That settles that. Not.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 10:34:18 GMT -8
I must have missed what the Giants loaded up on? LA is replacing top level production with top level production. Once you get to a certain measurement, you can't really incrementally get that much better. It's not like Freeman goes in there and adds five or six wins. Freeman doesn't add wins. Then again, when you're coming off a 106-win season, do you really have to add 5 or 6 more? You end up in the same place with 106 or 110 if you don't win the last one.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2022 10:35:29 GMT -8
So tired, and yet the Dodgers and Giants have been loading up on talent while we're standing still. And that's just our division. The gap is widening, not closing. I must have missed what the Giants loaded up on? LA is replacing top level production with top level production. Once you get to a certain measurement, you can't really incrementally get that much better. It's not like Freeman goes in there and adds five or six wins. That's the difference between the Dodgers and Padres. The Padres can't simply reload with another expensive free agent, one after the other like the Dodgers can. And, the Padres can't get as many. BIG disadvantage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 10:37:17 GMT -8
I'm not sure SF will be "as" good as last year (they already lost Bryant), but I still think they are a better overall team than San Diego.
Alot of ifs for me going into 2022. Is Snell going to be frontline starter, who can give 6 quality innings every 5 days? Or is he going to be inconsistent? Can Lamet provide anything? How healthy is Clevinger, who is a legit 2-3 starter when he is healthy....?
I don't feel great about the bullpen yet either.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 10:37:39 GMT -8
Because it's not...and it's not true. Oh, ok. That settles that. Not. Doesn't require a long-winded explanation.. It's pretty self-explanatory. Payrolls don't win championships. Players do. Once you get to the playoffs, once you get to a World Series, it's not about how much money your team has. Tampa Bay competes every single season with the lowest payroll in baseball. Who won the World Series last year? A team that wasn't in the top 5, or even the top 10, in terms of actual payroll.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 10:38:21 GMT -8
I must have missed what the Giants loaded up on? LA is replacing top level production with top level production. Once you get to a certain measurement, you can't really incrementally get that much better. It's not like Freeman goes in there and adds five or six wins. That's the difference between the Dodgers and Padres. The Padres can't simply reload with another expensive free agent, one after the other like the Dodgers can. And, the Padres can't get as many. BIG disadvantage. The Padres payroll is 219 million dollars.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 17, 2022 10:47:41 GMT -8
Oh, ok. That settles that. Not. Doesn't require a long-winded explanation.. It's pretty self-explanatory. Payrolls don't win championships. Players do. Once you get to the playoffs, once you get to a World Series, it's not about how much money your team has. Tampa Bay competes every single season with the lowest payroll in baseball. Who won the World Series last year? A team that wasn't in the top 5, or even the top 10, in terms of actual payroll. Money buys depth. Depth gets you into the playoffs in most cases (because injuries derail teams like the Padres who have no depth). Depth gives you an advantage IN the playoffs. Money also buys your way out of player personnel mistakes. Pick up a bad free agent? No problem, just sign a new one. For the Padres when they make a mistake it takes a couple years (or more) to get past it and to be able to get a better player in there. That payroll hit hurts a team like the Padres, where the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, etc, just shrug it off.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 10:49:39 GMT -8
Doesn't require a long-winded explanation.. It's pretty self-explanatory. Payrolls don't win championships. Players do. Once you get to the playoffs, once you get to a World Series, it's not about how much money your team has. Tampa Bay competes every single season with the lowest payroll in baseball. Who won the World Series last year? A team that wasn't in the top 5, or even the top 10, in terms of actual payroll. Money buys depth. Depth gets you into the playoffs in most cases (because injuries derail teams like the Padres who have no depth). Depth gives you an advantage IN the playoffs. Money also buys your way out of player personnel mistakes. Pick up a bad free agent? No problem, just sign a new one. For the Padres when they make a mistake it takes a couple years (or more) to get past it and to be able to get a better player in there. That payroll hit hurts a team like the Padres, where the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, etc, just shrug it off. It's more about the people making the decisions than the money itself.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 17, 2022 10:56:09 GMT -8
Money buys depth. Depth gets you into the playoffs in most cases (because injuries derail teams like the Padres who have no depth). Depth gives you an advantage IN the playoffs. Money also buys your way out of player personnel mistakes. Pick up a bad free agent? No problem, just sign a new one. For the Padres when they make a mistake it takes a couple years (or more) to get past it and to be able to get a better player in there. That payroll hit hurts a team like the Padres, where the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, etc, just shrug it off. It's more about the people making the decisions than the money itself. No, for the reasons I stated above, it's the money. Yes, you have to spend it right, but when you can shrug off a bad big money free agent signing that's a HUGE advantage over teams who are crippled by that type of signing for years. You have a HUGE advantage when you can load up on top level players, when other teams have to go the bargain basement route and HOPE that the players improve and play well together. And teams like the Padres are crippled by injuries, where a team that has more money buys greater depth, so their backups are as good as the starters on the Padres roster. Money is a huge factor. It's foolish to think otherwise.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2022 10:57:49 GMT -8
That's the difference between the Dodgers and Padres. The Padres can't simply reload with another expensive free agent, one after the other like the Dodgers can. And, the Padres can't get as many. BIG disadvantage. The Padres payroll is 219 million dollars. Obviously not enough to keep reloading like the Dodgers and keep pace.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 10:59:19 GMT -8
It's more about the people making the decisions than the money itself. No, for the reasons I stated above, it's the money. Yes, you have to spend it right, but when you can shrug off a bad big money free agent signing that's a HUGE advantage over teams who are crippled by that type of signing for years. You have a HUGE advantage when you can load up on top level players, when other teams have to go the bargain basement route and HOPE that the players improve and play well together. And teams like the Padres are crippled by injuries, where a team that has more money buys greater depth, so their backups are as good as the starters on the Padres roster. Money is a huge factor. It's foolish to think otherwise. I'm not saying it's not important. I'm saying your idea that it's the only thing or the most important thing is wrong. If that were the case, the Dodgers would have more than 1 title since I was born. The Yankees haven't won a title in over a decade. Teams can compete in a variety of payroll situations. That's not an opinion.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 11:02:11 GMT -8
The Padres payroll is 219 million dollars. Obviously not enough to keep reloading like the Dodgers and keep pace. The Dodgers have the second biggest media market in the country, a TV deal in the billions and most importantly, they have competency in player personnel/development that allows them to have flexibility to go sign free agents. They have an extremely low number of players going through arbitration, which lowers their financial ceiling by paying guys either guaranteed deals or pre-arbitration league minimums.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2022 11:12:08 GMT -8
Obviously not enough to keep reloading like the Dodgers and keep pace. The Dodgers have the second biggest media market in the country, a TV deal in the billions and most importantly, they have competency in player personnel/development that allows them to have flexibility to go sign free agents. They have an extremely low number of players going through arbitration, which lowers their financial ceiling by paying guys either guaranteed deals or pre-arbitration league minimums. Exactly, and this why they can't keep pace. Like I said, this isn't a tired argument, or an excuse, it's reality.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 17, 2022 11:13:18 GMT -8
No, for the reasons I stated above, it's the money. Yes, you have to spend it right, but when you can shrug off a bad big money free agent signing that's a HUGE advantage over teams who are crippled by that type of signing for years. You have a HUGE advantage when you can load up on top level players, when other teams have to go the bargain basement route and HOPE that the players improve and play well together. And teams like the Padres are crippled by injuries, where a team that has more money buys greater depth, so their backups are as good as the starters on the Padres roster. Money is a huge factor. It's foolish to think otherwise. I'm not saying it's not important. I'm saying your idea that it's the only thing or the most important thing is wrong. If that were the case, the Dodgers would have more than 1 title since I was born. The Yankees haven't won a title in over a decade. Teams can compete in a variety of payroll situations. That's not an opinion. If you look at either the cumulative W/L records over the last 20 years, or look at the number of winning seasons VS losing seasons, teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc, have a MUCH better record over that time than the small/mid market teams. And it's not even close. Big market teams rarely have losing seasons. Small/Mid market teams have more losing seasons than winning seasons. Sorry, but that's bull$#!+. That's a system designed to put the big market teams in the playoffs every year for TV ratings. It's not a system designed for competitive balance, like I said, it's a sytem designed to keep the big market teams in the playoffs every year. It's all about the TV ratings. Small/Mid market teams are supposed to be the sacrificial lambs for the big boys.
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