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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 16, 2022 17:02:59 GMT -8
So where do you think the Padres finish in 2022? What final record?
(As of right now this looks like a 4th place team to me.)
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 16, 2022 18:29:20 GMT -8
So where do you think the Padres finish in 2022? What final record? (As of right now this looks like a 4th place team to me.) In the NL West?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 16, 2022 19:00:53 GMT -8
So where do you think the Padres finish in 2022? What final record? (As of right now this looks like a 4th place team to me.) In the NL West? That is their division...
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 16, 2022 19:06:19 GMT -8
That is their division... There's no chance that happens. Way, way too much talent on the roster. Competent, experienced, stabilizing manager who has been through the fire. This team still has Machado, Cronenworth, Grisham, Nola, Snell, Darvish, Musgrove, Clevinger and so on. The Rockies are awful and void of talent, Arizona is still rebuilding. I expect the Giants to come back to Earth as well.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 16, 2022 20:04:10 GMT -8
That is their division... There's no chance that happens. Way, way too much talent on the roster. Competent, experienced, stabilizing manager who has been through the fire. This team still has Machado, Cronenworth, Grisham, Nola, Snell, Darvish, Musgrove, Clevinger and so on. The Rockies are awful and void of talent, Arizona is still rebuilding. I expect the Giants to come back to Earth as well. No better than 3rd, and that would be a good result given all the moves made by the Dodgers and Giants. The Padres have done nothing this offseason. The team needs serious pitching help. They're hamstrung, financially. They tried to go all in and couldn't compete with the big boys. Now they've got a ton of salary and can't afford to fill in the gaps. If you disagree, what's your prediction? Where do the Padres finish in the division this season? And what's the final record?
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Post by survalli on Mar 16, 2022 20:08:22 GMT -8
Dodgers just grabbed Freeman, going to be an interesting year
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 16, 2022 20:31:41 GMT -8
Padres seem a little lethargic in signing FA’s…..they still need some OF help…..two good veterans.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 16, 2022 21:04:51 GMT -8
There's no chance that happens. Way, way too much talent on the roster. Competent, experienced, stabilizing manager who has been through the fire. This team still has Machado, Cronenworth, Grisham, Nola, Snell, Darvish, Musgrove, Clevinger and so on. The Rockies are awful and void of talent, Arizona is still rebuilding. I expect the Giants to come back to Earth as well. No better than 3rd, and that would be a good result given all the moves made by the Dodgers and Giants. The Padres have done nothing this offseason. The team needs serious pitching help. They're hamstrung, financially. They tried to go all in and couldn't compete with the big boys. Now they've got a ton of salary and can't afford to fill in the gaps. If you disagree, what's your prediction? Where do the Padres finish in the division this season? And what's the final record? Serious pitching help? They have a top five rotation. I think they win 90-ish games.
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 16, 2022 21:33:57 GMT -8
That is their division... There's no chance that happens. Way, way too much talent on the roster. Competent, experienced, stabilizing manager who has been through the fire. This team still has Machado, Cronenworth, Grisham, Nola, Snell, Darvish, Musgrove, Clevinger and so on. The Rockies are awful and void of talent, Arizona is still rebuilding. I expect the Giants to come back to Earth as well. We all saw what happened last year, pitching (bullpen) imploded and the team stopped playing well when the rumors about trading Hosmer started up. Zero meaningful player additions plus the star player down for multiple months? Under the circumstances, 3rd place and 84-88 wins is probably the best the current group can achieve.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 16, 2022 21:38:48 GMT -8
I think they end up 2nd or 3rd. It all depends on how well they do during the stretch without Tatis.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 16, 2022 21:39:13 GMT -8
There's no chance that happens. Way, way too much talent on the roster. Competent, experienced, stabilizing manager who has been through the fire. This team still has Machado, Cronenworth, Grisham, Nola, Snell, Darvish, Musgrove, Clevinger and so on. The Rockies are awful and void of talent, Arizona is still rebuilding. I expect the Giants to come back to Earth as well. We all saw what happened last year, pitching (bullpen) imploded and the team stopped playing well when the rumors about trading Hosmer started up. Zero meaningful player additions plus the star player down for multiple months? Under the circumstances, 3rd place and 84-88 wins is probably the best the current group can achieve. This isn't the same team as last year.
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 16, 2022 22:56:40 GMT -8
There's no chance that happens. Way, way too much talent on the roster. Competent, experienced, stabilizing manager who has been through the fire. This team still has Machado, Cronenworth, Grisham, Nola, Snell, Darvish, Musgrove, Clevinger and so on. The Rockies are awful and void of talent, Arizona is still rebuilding. I expect the Giants to come back to Earth as well. We all saw what happened last year, pitching (bullpen) imploded and the team stopped playing well when the rumors about trading Hosmer started up. Zero meaningful player additions plus the star player down for multiple months? Under the circumstances, 3rd place and 84-88 wins is probably the best the current group can achieve. Yeah this team has Clevinger. And hopefully Snell recovers from an up and down year to more consistent production, which I would expect. With Clevinger, Snell, Darvish, Musgrove and Paddack, guys like Weathers and Lamet can work more specialized roles. Weathers can refine his stuff in the minor until a SP gets injured, and he can do spot starts for us. Lamet can settle into his bullpen role. Not to mention we signed another decent back of the rotation SP who has some major league and foreign experience. We have a ton of depth. Maybe even Gore too, and possibly Morejon for the back half of the season coming back from injury. 2021 was a freak show of injuries for the Padres pitching staff.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 16, 2022 23:08:36 GMT -8
We all saw what happened last year, pitching (bullpen) imploded and the team stopped playing well when the rumors about trading Hosmer started up. Zero meaningful player additions plus the star player down for multiple months? Under the circumstances, 3rd place and 84-88 wins is probably the best the current group can achieve. This isn't the same team as last year. Actually, it is. Not many differences. Of course, the Dodgers are a freaking juggernaut. The Giants are still a better team. Standing pat was stupid if this organization legitimately wants to contend for the WS title. Then again, they don't have the money to compete. There is a huge competitive imbalance in the league, and that's abundantly clear in the NL West where the Dodgers have more money than anyone but the Yankees and they're spending ALL of it on players. No cap, so why not? They're trying to buy a WS title. How do you compete with that when you've only got 1/5 the revenue? Simple. You can't.
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Post by aardvark on Mar 16, 2022 23:41:43 GMT -8
No better than 3rd, and that would be a good result given all the moves made by the Dodgers and Giants. The Padres have done nothing this offseason. The team needs serious pitching help. They're hamstrung, financially. They tried to go all in and couldn't compete with the big boys. Now they've got a ton of salary and can't afford to fill in the gaps. If you disagree, what's your prediction? Where do the Padres finish in the division this season? And what's the final record? Serious pitching help? They have a top five rotation. I think they win 90-ish games. No chance. Especially, while the good DH candidates keep being signed by others, we still have Eric (10-5) Hosmer as an albatross at 1st base, that is also killing the franchise payroll-wise. Not to mention still being stuck with Wil Myers.
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 17, 2022 1:16:16 GMT -8
Serious pitching help? They have a top five rotation. I think they win 90-ish games. No chance. Especially, while the good DH candidates keep being signed by others, we still have Eric (10-5) Hosmer as an albatross at 1st base, that is also killing the franchise payroll-wise. Not to mention still being stuck with Wil Myers. I think that we would be okay (not good, but okay) if Tatis wasn't injured. Then we could have Kim at 2nd, Cronenworth at 1st and Hosmer at DH. Then we would have good defense throughout the infield, and we could at some point trade Hosmer away for a bat at any position to upgrade the DH. If anyone in the infield got injured we could just call up Abrams. Who knows - if Abrams plays well in spring training, maybe he starts the season at 2nd base. Wil Myers is not nearly as bad as Hosmer. If anything he's a candidate to have a bounce back year. Personally I would like us to just cut Hosmer once we get a big bat to replace him at DH and hold onto Hassell. Hassell fills a huge organizational need as an outfield power bat. It may end up being resigning Pham + signing Conforto (worst case scenario)
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 7:24:55 GMT -8
Serious pitching help? They have a top five rotation. I think they win 90-ish games. No chance. Especially, while the good DH candidates keep being signed by others, we still have Eric (10-5) Hosmer as an albatross at 1st base, that is also killing the franchise payroll-wise. Not to mention still being stuck with Wil Myers. It's the same team that was rolling last year with much better pitching. They need to stay healthy (already behind on that front) but I think the current projections are right in line with where I'd be.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 7:26:31 GMT -8
This isn't the same team as last year. Actually, it is. Not many differences. Of course, the Dodgers are a freaking juggernaut. The Giants are still a better team. Standing pat was stupid if this organization legitimately wants to contend for the WS title. Then again, they don't have the money to compete. There is a huge competitive imbalance in the league, and that's abundantly clear in the NL West where the Dodgers have more money than anyone but the Yankees and they're spending ALL of it on players. No cap, so why not? They're trying to buy a WS title. How do you compete with that when you've only got 1/5 the revenue? Simple. You can't. This argument is so tired.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 17, 2022 7:27:10 GMT -8
No chance. Especially, while the good DH candidates keep being signed by others, we still have Eric (10-5) Hosmer as an albatross at 1st base, that is also killing the franchise payroll-wise. Not to mention still being stuck with Wil Myers. I think that we would be okay (not good, but okay) if Tatis wasn't injured. Then we could have Kim at 2nd, Cronenworth at 1st and Hosmer at DH. Then we would have good defense throughout the infield, and we could at some point trade Hosmer away for a bat at any position to upgrade the DH. If anyone in the infield got injured we could just call up Abrams. Who knows - if Abrams plays well in spring training, maybe he starts the season at 2nd base. Wil Myers is not nearly as bad as Hosmer. If anything he's a candidate to have a bounce back year. Personally I would like us to just cut Hosmer once we get a big bat to replace him at DH and hold onto Hassell. Hassell fills a huge organizational need as an outfield power bat. It may end up being resigning Pham + signing Conforto (worst case scenario) Hassell isn't a power bat.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 17, 2022 9:42:57 GMT -8
Actually, it is. Not many differences. Of course, the Dodgers are a freaking juggernaut. The Giants are still a better team. Standing pat was stupid if this organization legitimately wants to contend for the WS title. Then again, they don't have the money to compete. There is a huge competitive imbalance in the league, and that's abundantly clear in the NL West where the Dodgers have more money than anyone but the Yankees and they're spending ALL of it on players. No cap, so why not? They're trying to buy a WS title. How do you compete with that when you've only got 1/5 the revenue? Simple. You can't. This argument is so tired. So tired, and yet the Dodgers and Giants have been loading up on talent while we're standing still. And that's just our division. The gap is widening, not closing.
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Post by azteca on Mar 17, 2022 9:50:01 GMT -8
This argument is so tired. So tired, and yet the Dodgers and Giants have been loading up on talent while we're standing still. And that's just our division. The gap is widening, not closing. Agreed.
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