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Post by myownwords on Jan 5, 2022 9:01:42 GMT -8
But the players have ALL been vaccinated, so THEY are "protected" from the Great Unwashed. However, we now know that BOTH vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit the disease equally, so it cannot make any difference WHO is in the arena; thus everyone is at risk of infection or reinfection, yet ONLY the unvaccinated could get seriously ill--and THAT is THEIR choice. In addition, this new omicron variant has attenuated Covid to the point of being little more than a bad cold. ALL of the shouting is fast becoming a bit Sisyphean. You are just BSing at this point. Show me the studies (from legitimate sources that studied this…not Majorie Taylor Greene or crap like that) that say vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit the disease equally. The fact that you do not know this, tells me that YOU need to look it up, not me, for your erudition. THAT is the best way to keep you from being misled... IMO
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 5, 2022 9:05:38 GMT -8
Aztecking posted "Think of it this way bro…if you don’t want to do it for yourself and your fellow fans then do it (get boosted) for the players that could potentially lose their season if they have major outbreaks. The fewer potential fans with COVID in the arena is just a lesser chance something will happen to our players that would put our program on pause." Boom...rackem up...definitely if you insist on not thinking about protecting yourself then please think about protecting the players and our passion for Aztec. basketball. Stay away. But the players have ALL been vaccinated, so THEY are "protected" from the Great Unwashed. However, we now know that BOTH vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit the disease equally, so it cannot make any difference WHO is in the arena; thus everyone is at risk of infection or reinfection, yet ONLY the unvaccinated could get seriously ill--and THAT is THEIR choice. In addition, this new omicron variant has attenuated Covid to the point of being little more than a bad cold. ALL of the shouting is fast becoming a bit Sisyphean. "ONLY the unvaccinated could get seriously ill--and THAT is THEIR choice."Once again you miss the point of vaccinations...IT IS NOT ABOUT CATCHING/TRANSMITTING VIRUS...it's about not having adverse affects on society...what affect is that?...the economy, education, and mostly...the health care system...where do people who choose not to comply with doctor's order go when they can't breathe?...do they stay home?...continue to be productive?...NO!...they don't show up for work...putting a strain on every other coworker to pull their load...that leads to burn out...they go to the hospital...strain the limited resources...and infect other unvaccinated to do the same...it's to a point that normal everyday occurrences i.e. car wrecks, heart problems, cancer treatment lead to death because of shortage of workers, beds, labs, medicine and oxygen...in education...teachers, bus drivers, food workers are out...older teachers are retiring...what kind of education will children get from second-tier teacher's assistants?...crime is going up because police officers are getting sick and dying: COVID-19 Leading Cause of Death Among Law Enforcement Officers; local departments explain impact www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-police-officers-leading-cause-death/Covid is doing the ultimate job of defunding the police...and when you need one...remember it was your choice not to have one show up...so as a monkey can see...the unvaccinated negative affect on society is by far greater than their selfish right to spread misery...they burden society in multiple ways...so get vaccinated...get boosted...the life you save...may indirectly be your own....
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Post by azteccc on Jan 5, 2022 9:07:11 GMT -8
It makes absolutely no sense and shows a lack of understanding regarding the disease and virology and mutation. I live with a Microbiologist, who did her graduate work at Hopkins and did research at NIH, who works for Quest Diagnostics and is in the circle of people within Quest that talk about this stuff all the time. To think that there is only one way to think about this pandemic and that all Virologists and similar folks feel the same way as a few leaders of the CDC is flat out wrong. You won’t find a single post by me on this subject in the many threads that degenerated into conversations about Covid, this is the first time… I am vaccinated and boosted and I wear a mask as I have been asked… it doesn’t mean that there isn’t some question about what has and will happen in terms of dealing with this virus and don’t think for a second that the “experts” are right on everything, not that you should “believe” everything that experts tell you… A large majority of the country is stuck in one of two cults. One of those cults demands obedience to a very strict dogma and loses their everloving mind if anyone proposes any idea or information that goes against that dogma and demands the discussion end immediately. I don’t care what the topic is, that thinking by so many people is dangerous. When it involves compulsory EUA medicine and over the top policy nudging, it’s even more dangerous! I wish the people so invested in their dogma could see it, I imagine/hope more and more will continue to.
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Post by standiego on Jan 5, 2022 9:33:29 GMT -8
Interesting that you correctly say there are 2 divisions in the country . Or cults as you call them .
IMO this division has been purposely planned to divide the country
Also that you chose to say 1 is completely wrong ?
You deflect the issue , and present Mis Information
I personally resent that you refer to people who are following CDC guide line as being Cult followers or have a dogma - while those who follow Fox News as being Correct -
Maybe you are looking for supporters on Jan 6 to storm the SDSU President 's , or AD office to get it correct with other groups who have their own thoughts on the American Way ?
Would the right answer to have been to deny COVID was happening and Not tell the American Public what was going on in Jan 2020 . Or say No problem it will be going away as quickly as it came -
So lets see this is NO longer about SDSU Sporting events - we are now on Cult Groups who are trying to do .... Or only 1 side is a cult ?
Can the MOD's please Lock this as it simply is not AZTEC sports issue
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Post by junior on Jan 5, 2022 9:35:09 GMT -8
Getting back to the original post, there's now more guidance from SDSU as far as everyone returning to campus in January for start of the spring semester. While students living on campus will be allowed back into the dorms, classes will all be virtual until at least Feb. 4. My guess is that the big shots in Manchester Hall will reevaluate the spread of virus before that time and either extend the virtual classes or resume in-person classes. (though my 9:15AM email actually says that the normal in-person course schedule will resume as planned on Monday, Feb. 7. And they're strongly recommending that all students who live on campus stay home until February 5 or 6. And that, too, makes sense. No need to shut everything down. And if they do need to shut things down again, they'll already be virtual anyway.
With public schools shutting down right and left, it's probably not out of the realm of reality that they might have to pause instruction again like they did a few years ago. It's not so easy at the university to do that - especially when dates and deadlines are so ingrained into the system. At a public school, they could just go on hiatus for a few weeks then time shift that into June or July. Not so much for the universities, since that would impact summer semesters.
My vast (LOL) experiences over the last two years lead me to believe that these dates could be more fluid than they're willing to tell us right now. But at least they're still going forward with the start of classes and with sports during that time. I think the worst, though, is still just ahead on this one.
Stay tuned and Go Aztecs!
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Post by aztecking on Jan 5, 2022 9:43:17 GMT -8
You are just BSing at this point. Show me the studies (from legitimate sources that studied this…not Majorie Taylor Greene or crap like that) that say vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit the disease equally. The fact that you do not know this, tells me that YOU need to look it up, not me, for your erudition. THAT is the best way to keep you from being misled... IMO You can’t (or won’t) even defend your statements…the true sign of a person just making up crap.
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Post by chris92065 on Jan 5, 2022 9:44:25 GMT -8
Getting back to the original post, there's now more guidance from SDSU as far as everyone returning to campus in January for start of the spring semester. While students living on campus will be allowed back into the dorms, classes will all be virtual until at least Feb. 4. My guess is that the big shots in Manchester Hall will reevaluate the spread of virus before that time and either extend the virtual classes or resume in-person classes. (though my 9:15AM email actually says that the normal in-person course schedule will resume as planned on Monday, Feb. 7. And they're strongly recommending that all students who live on campus stay home until February 5 or 6. And that, too, makes sense. No need to shut everything down. And if they do need to shut things down again, they'll already be virtual anyway. With public schools shutting down right and left, it's probably not out of the realm of reality that they might have to pause instruction again like they did a few years ago. It's not so easy at the university to do that - especially when dates and deadlines are so ingrained into the system. At a public school, they could just go on hiatus for a few weeks then time shift that into June or July. Not so much for the universities, since that would impact summer semesters. My vast (LOL) experiences over the last two years lead me to believe that these dates could be more fluid than they're willing to tell us right now. But at least they're still going forward with the start of classes and with sports during that time. I think the worst, though, is still just ahead on this one. Stay tuned and Go Aztecs! Shutting down schools will have long terms effects on students development that will create a generation of children far behind in so many ways. There is no reason for any school to shutdown because of Covid. Last year about half of california kids failed their classes and suspect if they shut down schools again it will be the same. Its the dumbest decision ever made.
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Post by chris92065 on Jan 5, 2022 9:44:38 GMT -8
Getting back to the original post, there's now more guidance from SDSU as far as everyone returning to campus in January for start of the spring semester. While students living on campus will be allowed back into the dorms, classes will all be virtual until at least Feb. 4. My guess is that the big shots in Manchester Hall will reevaluate the spread of virus before that time and either extend the virtual classes or resume in-person classes. (though my 9:15AM email actually says that the normal in-person course schedule will resume as planned on Monday, Feb. 7. And they're strongly recommending that all students who live on campus stay home until February 5 or 6. And that, too, makes sense. No need to shut everything down. And if they do need to shut things down again, they'll already be virtual anyway. With public schools shutting down right and left, it's probably not out of the realm of reality that they might have to pause instruction again like they did a few years ago. It's not so easy at the university to do that - especially when dates and deadlines are so ingrained into the system. At a public school, they could just go on hiatus for a few weeks then time shift that into June or July. Not so much for the universities, since that would impact summer semesters. My vast (LOL) experiences over the last two years lead me to believe that these dates could be more fluid than they're willing to tell us right now. But at least they're still going forward with the start of classes and with sports during that time. I think the worst, though, is still just ahead on this one. Stay tuned and Go Aztecs! Shutting down schools will have long terms effects on students development that will create a generation of children far behind in so many ways. There is no reason for any school to shutdown because of Covid. Last year about half of california kids failed their classes and suspect if they shut down schools again it will be the same. Its the dumbest decision ever made.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 5, 2022 9:50:28 GMT -8
The fact that you do not know this, tells me that YOU need to look it up, not me, for your erudition. THAT is the best way to keep you from being misled... IMO You can’t (or won’t) even defend your statements…the true sign of a person just making up crap. Okay
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Post by azteccc on Jan 5, 2022 9:50:39 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Jan 5, 2022 9:52:23 GMT -8
Interesting that you correctly say there are 2 divisions in the country . Or cults as you call them . IMO this division has been purposely planned to divide the country Also that you chose to say 1 is completely wrong ? You deflect the issue , and present Mis Information I personally resent that you refer to people who are following CDC guide line as being Cult followers or have a dogma - while those who follow Fox News as being Correct - Maybe you are looking for supporters on Jan 6 to storm the SDSU President 's , or AD office to get it correct with other groups who have their own thoughts on the American Way ? Would the right answer to have been to deny COVID was happening and Not tell the American Public what was going on in Jan 2020 . Or say No problem it will be going away as quickly as it came - So lets see this is NO longer about SDSU Sporting events - we are now on Cult Groups who are trying to do .... Or only 1 side is a cult ? Can the MOD's please Lock this as it simply is not AZTEC sports issue No patience for you anymore Stan. I’ve been nothing but civil, and you write all this up like there’s any truth to it. You just spiral and then type up a bunch of things I’ve never said, make yourself all mad about it, and then plead to shut down the thread. You’re proving my point.
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Post by survalli on Jan 5, 2022 10:18:50 GMT -8
i draw the line at the booster. I am vaccinated. I support the vaccine, but I am not going down the rabbit whole of getting a booster every 6 months without the certainty that its effective against variations of what is turning into something akin to the Flu. im sorry, this may sound callus, but a whole lot more people need to die before i help support Big Pharma with another poke. The first one had me in bed for 3 days. not going to get sick so some dude can make billions.
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Post by junior on Jan 5, 2022 10:33:09 GMT -8
Getting back to the original post, there's now more guidance from SDSU as far as everyone returning to campus in January for start of the spring semester. While students living on campus will be allowed back into the dorms, classes will all be virtual until at least Feb. 4. My guess is that the big shots in Manchester Hall will reevaluate the spread of virus before that time and either extend the virtual classes or resume in-person classes. (though my 9:15AM email actually says that the normal in-person course schedule will resume as planned on Monday, Feb. 7. And they're strongly recommending that all students who live on campus stay home until February 5 or 6. And that, too, makes sense. No need to shut everything down. And if they do need to shut things down again, they'll already be virtual anyway. With public schools shutting down right and left, it's probably not out of the realm of reality that they might have to pause instruction again like they did a few years ago. It's not so easy at the university to do that - especially when dates and deadlines are so ingrained into the system. At a public school, they could just go on hiatus for a few weeks then time shift that into June or July. Not so much for the universities, since that would impact summer semesters. My vast (LOL) experiences over the last two years lead me to believe that these dates could be more fluid than they're willing to tell us right now. But at least they're still going forward with the start of classes and with sports during that time. I think the worst, though, is still just ahead on this one. Stay tuned and Go Aztecs! Shutting down schools will have long terms effects on students development that will create a generation of children far behind in so many ways. There is no reason for any school to shutdown because of Covid. Last year about half of california kids failed their classes and suspect if they shut down schools again it will be the same. Its the dumbest decision ever made. LOL OK. Half of California kids? That's a few million students. Didn't happen. Don't make stuff up. While there's no question that closing schools two years ago and going to 'virtual learning' led to negative effects for all involved, had policy makers simply shifted the in person time to later in the year and resumed in person classes then, things could've been different. We're still not learning from mistakes. And who says kids need a whole summer off in the first place? Farmers? Push the school year back. Get everyone past the bump. Teachers have families too. California used to pay schools extra to go on a 'year-round' schedule. Once that incentive was gone, we went right back to the olden days.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 5, 2022 10:34:27 GMT -8
i draw the line at the booster. I am vaccinated. I support the vaccine, but I am not going down the rabbit whole of getting a booster every 6 months without the certainty that its effective against variations of what is turning into something akin to the Flu. im sorry, this may sound callus, but a whole lot more people need to die before i help support Big Pharma with another poke. The first one had me in bed for 3 days. not going to get sick so some dude can make billions. And I’ve never taken a flu shot either, and don’t plan to until I’m - lord willing - much older, or in worse health. But I was never banned from public spaces or told I was selfish and actively killing your grandma or told I couldn’t get a job. Hmm
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Post by moctezumaii on Jan 5, 2022 10:53:15 GMT -8
I'm fine with the vaccine mandate and the ever fluid rules. What I'm not fine with is what's the freakin' point of rules when they're never enforced? I'm in Section F, a half-dozen rows from the floor and NOBODY ever keeps their masks on. And NOBODY from security ever says anything. What's the point? There are also constantly people sitting in those seats that are not the season ticket holders and they're not guests of them either. The stupid "security" people standing right in front of the section watch the seat-stealers just move from seat to seat as the real ticket holders show up. It's all kabuki theater. So just sit back and enjoy the show, Mrs. Lincoln.
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Post by junior on Jan 5, 2022 11:00:35 GMT -8
i draw the line at the booster. I am vaccinated. I support the vaccine, but I am not going down the rabbit whole of getting a booster every 6 months without the certainty that its effective against variations of what is turning into something akin to the Flu. im sorry, this may sound callus, but a whole lot more people need to die before i help support Big Pharma with another poke. The first one had me in bed for 3 days. not going to get sick so some dude can make billions. And I’ve never taken a flu shot either, and don’t plan to until I’m - lord willing - much older, or in worse health. But I was never banned from public spaces or told I was selfish and actively killing your grandma or told I couldn’t get a job. Hmm Unfortunately, this pandemic just happened to coincide with a pretty severe rip in the nation's fabric. Instead of listening to both sides, people simply take sides, clan up and all we get is a rerun of the Hatfields vs. the McCoys - on a national scale. Hillbilly Nation. Or as they call us up north, The Excited States of America. And it's gonna get much worse before it ever turns a corner, if it ever does that. There's plenty of uncertainty out there, that's for sure. That's something statistics can help with. And while there's no doubt that we're seeing stats that suggest plenty of positive test results in people who've been vaxxed to the max, and we can speculate that those folks are likely helping to incubate and spread new variants, those same stats also strongly suggest that being unvaccinated carries with it a much higher risk of serious consequences or even death than those who vax up. However, there are plenty of special cases to be dealt with, and they should be dealt with fairly, not punitively. Forcing people to conform is against everything most of us would say we believe in. Yet we allow it to happen without pushing back. And that, I think, is somewhere that we can all find common ground. It's just in how we push back that problems and negative consequences for individuals arise …
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jan 5, 2022 11:11:26 GMT -8
The fact that you do not know this, tells me that YOU need to look it up, not me, for your erudition. THAT is the best way to keep you from being misled... IMO You can’t (or won’t) even defend your statements…the true sign of a person just making up crap. Everyone needs to see that there are holes in all of the pedagogy being shared, from all angles… a few answers for you… www.science.org/content/article/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delt This article talks about how back in August over 78% of Israelis were vaccinated and how more than half of the Delta cases were in the vaccinated class. graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/ and this article provides current information on Covid in Israel, which again is vastly vaccinated… it is clear that both Delta and Omicron are highly transmissible and that those with vaccines have both got and spread both recent versions of Covid… It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get the vaccines, I have, it doesn’t mean they won’t reduce the “bad” health outcomes, because the evidence shows that they do, however, they didn’t help my mom who passed away from Covid Co-morbidities…
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Post by Cwag on Jan 5, 2022 11:11:41 GMT -8
i draw the line at the booster. I am vaccinated. I support the vaccine, but I am not going down the rabbit whole of getting a booster every 6 months without the certainty that its effective against variations of what is turning into something akin to the Flu. im sorry, this may sound callus, but a whole lot more people need to die before i help support Big Pharma with another poke. The first one had me in bed for 3 days. not going to get sick so some dude can make billions. What are the long term effects of getting Covid? I'd rather not find that out personally.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 5, 2022 11:11:58 GMT -8
Getting back to the original post, there's now more guidance from SDSU as far as everyone returning to campus in January for start of the spring semester. While students living on campus will be allowed back into the dorms, classes will all be virtual until at least Feb. 4. My guess is that the big shots in Manchester Hall will reevaluate the spread of virus before that time and either extend the virtual classes or resume in-person classes. (though my 9:15AM email actually says that the normal in-person course schedule will resume as planned on Monday, Feb. 7. And they're strongly recommending that all students who live on campus stay home until February 5 or 6. And that, too, makes sense. No need to shut everything down. And if they do need to shut things down again, they'll already be virtual anyway. With public schools shutting down right and left, it's probably not out of the realm of reality that they might have to pause instruction again like they did a few years ago. It's not so easy at the university to do that - especially when dates and deadlines are so ingrained into the system. At a public school, they could just go on hiatus for a few weeks then time shift that into June or July. Not so much for the universities, since that would impact summer semesters. My vast (LOL) experiences over the last two years lead me to believe that these dates could be more fluid than they're willing to tell us right now. But at least they're still going forward with the start of classes and with sports during that time. I think the worst, though, is still just ahead on this one. Stay tuned and Go Aztecs! Shutting down schools will have long terms effects on students development that will create a generation of children far behind in so many ways. There is no reason for any school to shutdown because of Covid. Last year about half of california kids failed their classes and suspect if they shut down schools again it will be the same. Its the dumbest decision ever made. Do schools even give out failing grades any longer?
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Post by aztecking on Jan 5, 2022 11:18:01 GMT -8
You can’t (or won’t) even defend your statements…the true sign of a person just making up crap. Everyone needs to see that there are holes in all of the pedagogy being shared, from all angles… a few answers for you… www.science.org/content/article/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delt This article talks about how back in August over 78% of Israelis were vaccinated and how more than half of the Delta cases were in the vaccinated class. graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/ and this article provides current information on Covid in Israel, which again is vastly vaccinated… it is clear that both Delta and Omicron are highly transmissible and that those with vaccines have both got and spread both recent versions of Covid… It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get the vaccines, I have, it doesn’t mean they won’t reduce the “bad” health outcomes, because the evidence shows that they do, however, they didn’t help my mom who passed away from Covid Co-morbidities… So isn’t first article you shared saying that vaccinated don’t transmit at the same level as unvaccinated? If 78% are vaccinated and it’s just as transmissible there then you’d expect 78% of cases to be among the vaccinated. Instead 22% of the country that isn’t vaccinated makes up half the delta cases. Seems like that saying while you aren’t immune from the virus if you are vaccinated your chances of getting it are lower…right?
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