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Post by aztecking on Jan 4, 2022 20:42:41 GMT -8
Look at that... thank you king & junior, my bltching has officially produced useful information for myself and hopefully others. I have heard from people that they tried to get reimbursement through Kaiser but were denied because there was not a doctor rec beforehand, but that was at non-Kaiser locations. I'll have to look into the online scheduling. I’ve never tried to get tested at a non-Kaiser location. But I’ve been to 2 different Kaiser locations (San Marcos and Zion) for testing and both were a breeze.
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Post by canthandlethetecs on Jan 4, 2022 22:05:58 GMT -8
I think there’s good points to be made for both getting the jab and not, but all the people who just say “well gee golly I just do what I’m told” have got to be the saddest sacks ever. Bake the cake, know what I mean…
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Post by zurac315 on Jan 5, 2022 0:52:57 GMT -8
I think there’s good points to be made for both getting the jab and not, but all the people who just say “well gee golly I just do what I’m told” have got to be the saddest sacks ever. Bake the cake, know what I mean… There are good points for not getting the "jab?" That's ridiculous.
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Post by zurac315 on Jan 5, 2022 0:57:04 GMT -8
I find the COVID debate interesting. Current data indicates - receiving the initial vaccine and boosters does not eliminate the possibility that you can contract COVID. covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-statusCurrent data indicates - COVID may be transmitted regardless of your vaccination status. www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vaccinated-covid-transmission-is-not-low/www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.htmlCurrent data indicates that masks are largely ineffective, this is based on the fact that most people are using simple cloth face coverings which only can minimize large droplet transfer. Even n95 and medical quality masks are ineffective as most people do not use the mask correctly (tightly fitting to the face) or reuse these masks (sometimes between people). Current data indicates - Unvaccinated people have higher incidences of death and hospitalization www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7046a4.htmCurrent data indicates - If you are over 65 and or have a comorbidity, you are at the greatest risk of hospitalization and death. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e1.htmIn my opinion, the strategy from the offset has been entirely wrong. We should have been encouraging everyone who either has a comorbidity (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/underlyingconditions.html) or is over 65 to get and stay (boosted) vaccinated. Shutting down the economy, masking kids, and implementing big mandates has not helped the situation. IMHO, we need to accept the basic fact that life is risky. When I see that 43% of people between 0-49 are not vaccinated, I understand the tradeoff they are making. I don't understand how someone over 50 or someone with a comorbidity does not get vaccinated. It would seem the risk benefit is a no brainer to get the vaccine. Like I said earlier, life is risky. At this point, if someone is in the high-risk categories and they aren't vaccinated they most likely will not get vaccinated. Locking up the economy or requiring these measures will not change the facts on the ground. Everyone knows the risks; everyone now needs to accept the risks. Something that makes perfect sense… It makes absolutely no sense and shows a lack of understanding regarding the disease and virology and mutation.
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Post by zurac315 on Jan 5, 2022 1:01:16 GMT -8
I feel for the OP, but not a whole lot. I get that his freedom to "choose" is being messed with by a global pandemic, it's happening to all of us. But he needs to understand that the choice he's made - for him and his family - comes with some consequences. Freedom always comes with responsibilities and consequences. And not attending games for the foreseeable future because he refuses to vax up is just one of many that he'll have to work through in the weeks and months ahead - especially if we can't get a better handle on the virus. He doesn't need to be a sheep. That's fine. Nobody needs to be a sheep. But don't expect the rest of us to give a rat's AZZZtec if someone can't attend a game because they've chosen to exercise their FREEDOM of CHOICE. Actually, some would say that their absence will make those who get in to the games just that much safer. But the OP and others who had attendance rules change - because of Covid - really should have the option of getting their money back for all games that remain on the schedule. Absolutely, give 'em their money back and keep them out of the stadiums and arenas.
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Post by aztecnails on Jan 5, 2022 3:22:52 GMT -8
No. 1 is the players and staff are isolated, taken the jab and still test covid positive, no protocols will stop that except to anger a school's fan base. No. 2 is this article titled "Indiana Life insurance CEO says deaths up 40% among those aged 18-64 (after the jab roll-out). All deaths should be investigated to confirm or deny the roll the jabs played in these deaths. A coroner ruled that BBC'S Lisa Shaw's death was ruled to be jab caused blood clots. Keep believing that lie that the games are safer because of only jabbed fans in attendance. Breakthrough cases prove otherwise.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 5, 2022 4:14:39 GMT -8
No. 1 is the players and staff are isolated, taken the jab and still test covid positive, no protocols will stop that except to anger a school's fan base. No. 2 is this article titled "Indiana Life insurance CEO says deaths up 40% among those aged 18-64 (after the jab roll-out). All deaths should be investigated to confirm or deny the roll the jabs played in these deaths. A coroner ruled that BBC'S Lisa Shaw's death was ruled to be jab caused blood clots. Keep believing that lie that the games are safer because of only jabbed fans in attendance. Breakthrough cases prove otherwise. First, Lisa Shaw had the AstraZeneca, so her unfortunate issues directly relevant... also, no one ever said there are 0.0% negative side effects. Second, you and others seem to be speaking as if SDSU independently made this decision... where I believe the school is just following state/local policies (compared to, say, USC, closing games to the general public -- would you prefer SDSU do that instead?) Third, deaths are up for most age brackets nation wide due to the *unvaccinated* population getting COVID and passing.
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Post by North County Aztec on Jan 5, 2022 5:15:12 GMT -8
I posted annoyed and in disbelief and most likely did not initially express myself very well, but as I said above I am almost completely out of patience with the heavy enforcement and doubling down of failed strategies people. Your last sentence exactly illustrates one of many issues with this most recent policy change - those vaccinated (and boosted) can, and are (at alarmingly high rates) still contracting Omarion/covid. I am vaccinated and just got done with quarantining due to a breakthrough infection, which the scientists say gives me the best protection of anyone on the planet. I am not going to go get another shot for no reason, and regardless of how well protected I am, policies fail to accept the science behind my current condition. If you want to say "everyone needs a negative test", that almost makes a lot of sense. If you are requiring a new $35 fee to enter a game, I'd like the option to get my money back. If you are saying three shots and you're in, regardless of whether you have covid, that is a risk reduction strategy that has failed and provides low and decreasing risk reduction. You don’t have to pay their $35 fee. That’s just for the same day arena testing. Regular COVID testing is still free in this country. Free if available. I had to have a procedure that required a negative test. I went to three CVS' all three were OUT of test kits.
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Post by cmonaztecs on Jan 5, 2022 5:41:22 GMT -8
Aztecking posted "Think of it this way bro…if you don’t want to do it for yourself and your fellow fans then do it (get boosted) for the players that could potentially lose their season if they have major outbreaks. The fewer potential fans with COVID in the arena is just a lesser chance something will happen to our players that would put our program on pause."
Boom...rackem up...definitely if you insist on not thinking about protecting yourself then please think about protecting the players and our passion for Aztec. basketball. Stay away.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jan 5, 2022 6:18:31 GMT -8
I think there’s good points to be made for both getting the jab and not, but all the people who just say “well gee golly I just do what I’m told” have got to be the saddest sacks ever. Bake the cake, know what I mean… There are good points for not getting the "jab?" That's ridiculous. "I think there’s good points to be made for both getting the jab and not ..."
That's what she said: www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-01-03/kelly-ernby-former-republican-assembly-candidate-and-deputy-d-a-dies-of-covid-19Kelly Ernby, former Orange County GOP state Assembly candidate and deputy D.A., dies of COVID-19
Kelly Ernby, a political newcomer who ran for an Orange County state Assembly seat two years ago as a Republican, died this week of COVID-19. In addition to political activism, she worked for 10 years as an O.C. deputy district attorney. Ernby, a Huntington Beach resident, was 46. ... During the pandemic, Ernby remained an ardent and vocal opponent of COVID-19 vaccination mandates. As recently as Dec. 4, she spoke against such mandates during a rally outside Irvine City Hall. Organized by the UC Irvine and Cal State Fullerton chapters of Turning Point USA, the rally drew dozens in attendance, according to the Daily Titan, a Fullerton student newspaper. “There’s nothing that matters more than our freedoms right now,” Ernby said. ... According to Fleischman, Ernby was readying another state Assembly run in the newly drawn 72nd District when the two traded text messages last week. Ernby also confided that she had fallen ill with COVID-19, but Fleischman didn’t expect her to die, calling her passing “sudden,” especially as the two planned to talk this week.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 5, 2022 6:35:39 GMT -8
Aztecking posted "Think of it this way bro…if you don’t want to do it for yourself and your fellow fans then do it (get boosted) for the players that could potentially lose their season if they have major outbreaks. The fewer potential fans with COVID in the arena is just a lesser chance something will happen to our players that would put our program on pause." Boom...rackem up...definitely if you insist on not thinking about protecting yourself then please think about protecting the players and our passion for Aztec. basketball. Stay away. But the players have ALL been vaccinated, so THEY are "protected" from the Great Unwashed. However, we now know that BOTH vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit the disease equally, so it cannot make any difference WHO is in the arena; thus everyone is at risk of infection or reinfection, yet ONLY the unvaccinated could get seriously ill--and THAT is THEIR choice. In addition, this new omicron variant has attenuated Covid to the point of being little more than a bad cold. ALL of the shouting is fast becoming a bit Sisyphean.
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Post by North County Aztec on Jan 5, 2022 7:54:38 GMT -8
Geezus. When did Americans become such whiney little wimps? And, gaslight much? Wear a mask when among others. Get vaxxed. Keep your distance. Yes, annoying, but simple. It’s not like you’re charging the beaches at Iowo Jima. So quit pretending you are. Has nothing to do with being a wimp or not, any rational person should understand that. And what do you care? I’m assuming you are fully vaccinated (whatever that means) so you must then be fully protected from the unclean. Umm, unless, unless, you don’t have faith in your own belief system.
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Post by docmm on Jan 5, 2022 8:03:28 GMT -8
I'm fine with the vaccine mandate and the ever fluid rules. What I'm not fine with is what's the freakin' point of rules when they're never enforced? I'm in Section F, a half-dozen rows from the floor and NOBODY ever keeps their masks on. And NOBODY from security ever says anything. What's the point? There are also constantly people sitting in those seats that are not the season ticket holders and they're not guests of them either. The stupid "security" people standing right in front of the section watch the seat-stealers just move from seat to seat as the real ticket holders show up.
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Post by aztecking on Jan 5, 2022 8:17:01 GMT -8
Aztecking posted "Think of it this way bro…if you don’t want to do it for yourself and your fellow fans then do it (get boosted) for the players that could potentially lose their season if they have major outbreaks. The fewer potential fans with COVID in the arena is just a lesser chance something will happen to our players that would put our program on pause." Boom...rackem up...definitely if you insist on not thinking about protecting yourself then please think about protecting the players and our passion for Aztec. basketball. Stay away. But the players have ALL been vaccinated, so THEY are "protected" from the Great Unwashed. However, we now know that BOTH vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit the disease equally, so it cannot make any difference WHO is in the arena; thus everyone is at risk of infection or reinfection, yet ONLY the unvaccinated could get seriously ill--and THAT is THEIR choice. In addition, this new omicron variant has attenuated Covid to the point of being little more than a bad cold. ALL of the shouting is fast becoming a bit Sisyphean. You are just BSing at this point. Show me the studies (from legitimate sources that studied this…not Majorie Taylor Greene or crap like that) that say vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit the disease equally.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 5, 2022 8:24:28 GMT -8
I'm fine with the vaccine mandate and the ever fluid rules. What I'm not fine with is what's the freakin' point of rules when they're never enforced? I'm in Section F, a half-dozen rows from the floor and NOBODY ever keeps their masks on. And NOBODY from security ever says anything. What's the point? There are also constantly people sitting in those seats that are not the season ticket holders and they're not guests of them either. The stupid "security" people standing right in front of the section watch the seat-stealers just move from seat to seat as the real ticket holders show up. We have all seen the newsclips of the most stentorian "preachers" of the mask mandates going without. Their hypocrisy is stupefying and laughable. But the real point that they are unwittingly making is that the arbitrary distancing and masking is otiose, and all theater. Sort of a Badge of Honor. Even CNN---hardly a Never-Vaxxer shill--has their medical contributors saying the masks, that most wear, are worthless for this virus. The Fauci Supplicants and Acolytes are seeing the Little People growing ever weary, and wary, of the heavy- and ham-handed approach to this, and the "Controllers" are grudgingly releasing their stranglehold on the truth. They HATE that their powers may be eroding. Many many people are no longer satisficed with "cake", Marie.
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Post by standiego on Jan 5, 2022 8:43:40 GMT -8
This is Not a Directly SDSU Sports issue -
The rules are established by CSU to which SDSU is a member and needs to follow the rules
Some Schools have had to Forfeit or Suspend Games , USC reported in another post has announced no more Fans ?
SDSU Fans as Coug has stated - will be asked to show Boosted Varification Card ( FREE Boosted Vaccinations FREE) OR repeat OR - COVID Tests at Petersen GYM - that may take 30 min
SDSU is following guide lines to try to prevent Forfeits , Postponements and possibly not allowing fans to attend games .
If there are disagreements - you are welcome to discuss them with SDSU Ticket office or CSU Coming on this board to once again present your views or about SDSU policy that you realize boils down to COVID , Political , , the State of CA or USA Government , .... issues should be brought up with the Proper Resources , rather then here . Similar Posts have seen the same result getting seeing people provide their various information from THEIR favorite Websites. Correct or Incorrect depending on what side you are on . Then usually getting offensive or going the route of saying we are in the same position as WW II .
Same as is previous Posts then are 2 different positions and neither side is going to change . Only continue to claim the other side is wrong . and we get further and further away from sports topics .
You have a choice if you want to follow guidelines on attending the Aztecs games . Or checking with the SDSU ticket office for a refund - I do think you should be able to ask that to the PROPER sources but this is not the place .
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Post by longtimebooster on Jan 5, 2022 8:49:51 GMT -8
Geezus. When did Americans become such whiney little wimps? And, gaslight much? Wear a mask when among others. Get vaxxed. Keep your distance. Yes, annoying, but simple. It’s not like you’re charging the beaches at Iowo Jima. So quit pretending you are. Has nothing to do with being a wimp or not, any rational person should understand that. And what do you care? I’m assuming you are fully vaccinated (whatever that means) so you must then be fully protected from the unclean. Umm, unless, unless, you don’t have faith in your own belief system. Actually it does. And aside from the annoyance of being forced to listen to the whiney rants of friends, relatives, colleagues, and strangers, the inconvenience and expense heaped upon the vaccinated majority by the unvaccinated minority is significant in terms of healthcare costs, government expenses, taxpayer burden, etc. Personally, I've had to cut off communications with several family members because of their non-stop whackadoodle ravings. (I'm originally from Idaho and about half my Idaho clan, unfortunately, fall into this camp.) Three months ago, one of my Idaho aunts came down with COVID. She was a true-blue Trumper and anti-vaxxer. Belonged to an evangelical-type church where she played music and sang in the choir weekly. They had a major COVID outbreak in the church -- completely predictable -- during the Idaho surge last fall. The pastor fell ill and died. My aunt, who's in her 60s came down with COVID. Our family tried to get her to an ICU in our hometown, but it was full. We then had to find a family member willing to drive her to an ICU with an open bed, the nearest of which was 120 miles away. No ambulances or medical transportation was available because everyone was swamped. One of my cousins volunteered to drive her because he'd been vaxxed and was in his 30s. Of course, he came down with a breakthrough case of COVID for his efforts. On my aunt's third night in the ICU, my mom got a call from the doctor saying that my aunt wasn't likely to make it through the night because her oxygen level had dropped so low and they could't put her on a ventilator because they were all being used by other patients. Fortunately, my aunt pulled through, but it was touch and go. After five days in the ICU, the hospital called and said my aunt seemed to be out of the woods and that they needed my aunt's ICU bed, so could someone come pick her up. Another round of pleas went out to family members for a volunteer to drive her back to our hometown. No one wanted to go pick her up. Finally, another cousin volunteered and drove her back. He, too, came down with a breakthrough case of COVID. Further, we needed to find a seniors facility to place my aunt in for two or three weeks while she recovered. No one wanted to take a COVID patient. So we arranged for a home health nurse to come twice a day to administer meds, help her with her walker (she was unable to walk on her own after COVID), etc. The entire episode was a very expensive, avoidable cluster**k. So, yeah, I'm annoyed. Beyond annoyed actually. And don't even get me started about the family of anti-vaxxers on the Coronado ferry last year who were reminded politely by the captain that it was federal law to wear a mask on public transit. The mom started ranting about how COVID was a hoax, no worse than the flu, etc. I said, "Lady, just put your mask on." After which, her 20-year-old tattooed son came up to me, started screaming and threatening to beat my face into a pulp. The captain had to intervene by threatening to call the police. Crazy. So that's why I care. Thanks for asking.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jan 5, 2022 8:50:13 GMT -8
Something that makes perfect sense… It makes absolutely no sense and shows a lack of understanding regarding the disease and virology and mutation. I live with a Microbiologist, who did her graduate work at Hopkins and did research at NIH, who works for Quest Diagnostics and is in the circle of people within Quest that talk about this stuff all the time. To think that there is only one way to think about this pandemic and that all Virologists and similar folks feel the same way as a few leaders of the CDC is flat out wrong. You won’t find a single post by me on this subject in the many threads that degenerated into conversations about Covid, this is the first time… I am vaccinated and boosted and I wear a mask as I have been asked… it doesn’t mean that there isn’t some question about what has and will happen in terms of dealing with this virus and don’t think for a second that the “experts” are right on everything, not that you should “believe” everything that experts tell you…
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Post by myownwords on Jan 5, 2022 8:58:15 GMT -8
It makes absolutely no sense and shows a lack of understanding regarding the disease and virology and mutation. I live with a Microbiologist, who did her graduate work at Hopkins and did research at NIH, who works for Quest Diagnostics and is in the circle of people within Quest that talk about this stuff all the time. To think that there is only one way to think about this pandemic and that all Virologists and similar folks feel the same way as a few leaders of the CDC is flat out wrong. You won’t find a single post by me on this subject in the many threads that degenerated into conversations about Covid, this is the first time… I am vaccinated and boosted and I wear a mask as I have been asked… it doesn’t mean that there isn’t some question about what has and will happen in terms of dealing with this virus and don’t think for a second that the “experts” are right on everything, not that you should “believe” everything that experts tell you… Your conclusion is a greatly stifled (suppressed?) truism.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jan 5, 2022 8:58:25 GMT -8
It makes absolutely no sense and shows a lack of understanding regarding the disease and virology and mutation. I live with a Microbiologist, who did her graduate work at Hopkins and did research at NIH, who works for Quest Diagnostics and is in the circle of people within Quest that talk about this stuff all the time. To think that there is only one way to think about this pandemic and that all Virologists and similar folks feel the same way as a few leaders of the CDC is flat out wrong. You won’t find a single post by me on this subject in the many threads that degenerated into conversations about Covid, this is the first time… I am vaccinated and boosted and I wear a mask as I have been asked… it doesn’t mean that there isn’t some question about what has and will happen in terms of dealing with this virus and don’t think for a second that the “experts” are right on everything, not that you should “believe” everything that experts tell you… Of course not. It's a fluid situation and things will change and recalibrate as the pandemic flows on. But on the flip side, just because there are areas of uncertainty, that doesn't mean people have carte blanche to throw everything we know and all the advice the experts have provided out the window and do whatever one wants in terms of the pandemic, willy-nilly, or worse by taking the advice of some rando selling horse pills on the internet.
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