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Post by aztecs76 on Jan 4, 2022 19:54:37 GMT -8
My neighbor said she went to Disneyland on Saturday and one did not need to wear a mask to enter and or walk around! Nuts!!
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jan 4, 2022 19:55:19 GMT -8
My apologies because I posted my question in another thread. Maybe someone can help me since we are all in such great moods. I am a little annoyed that I just paid $70 additional dollars for two rapid test because my wife and I haven't gotten the last booster. Anyways, can someone please provide some information on where you get the rapid test? Is the test easy and quick? Are the results right away? It sure seems crazy to require me to have this last booster to attend the game. This has gotten so political at this point. I am a bit baffled by all of this but I will play by the rules. I may not agree with everything but I want to do my part to ensure we are reducing the chances of spreading this virus to one another. I would be shocked if you can get one before Saturday…
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jan 4, 2022 19:56:38 GMT -8
I find the COVID debate interesting. Current data indicates - receiving the initial vaccine and boosters does not eliminate the possibility that you can contract COVID. covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-statusCurrent data indicates - COVID may be transmitted regardless of your vaccination status. www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vaccinated-covid-transmission-is-not-low/www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.htmlCurrent data indicates that masks are largely ineffective, this is based on the fact that most people are using simple cloth face coverings which only can minimize large droplet transfer. Even n95 and medical quality masks are ineffective as most people do not use the mask correctly (tightly fitting to the face) or reuse these masks (sometimes between people). Current data indicates - Unvaccinated people have higher incidences of death and hospitalization www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7046a4.htmCurrent data indicates - If you are over 65 and or have a comorbidity, you are at the greatest risk of hospitalization and death. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e1.htmIn my opinion, the strategy from the offset has been entirely wrong. We should have been encouraging everyone who either has a comorbidity (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/underlyingconditions.html) or is over 65 to get and stay (boosted) vaccinated. Shutting down the economy, masking kids, and implementing big mandates has not helped the situation. IMHO, we need to accept the basic fact that life is risky. When I see that 43% of people between 0-49 are not vaccinated, I understand the tradeoff they are making. I don't understand how someone over 50 or someone with a comorbidity does not get vaccinated. It would seem the risk benefit is a no brainer to get the vaccine. Like I said earlier, life is risky. At this point, if someone is in the high-risk categories and they aren't vaccinated they most likely will not get vaccinated. Locking up the economy or requiring these measures will not change the facts on the ground. Everyone knows the risks; everyone now needs to accept the risks. Something that makes perfect sense…
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Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2022 19:59:16 GMT -8
Yes, we both have big swinging d**ks when it comes to academics. I won't regal you with my GPA or SAT/GMAT scores. Big Whoop. Which makes it all the more perplexing why you spend all this time and effort on right-wing, nonsensical, anti-vax-footsie gaslighting. Well yea, big whoop. You did try though! I spend all this time and effort because pointing out the serious flaws in our current public policy, and the failure to follow the science in real time as opposed to sticking with what we thought we knew/did even though it is obviously failing at almost every step should not be considered right-wing, nonsensical, or anti-vax by anyone who appreciates critical thinking and/or successful and/or beneficial public policy. In my opinion, saying "shut up and just get your vaccination so we can all go back to normal" is just as dimwitted as saying "vaccines cause autism". All of it is based on a lack of critical thinking and people becoming entrenched in ideas that are being fed to them because they are either a) politically cornered or b) well-meaning but completely naive.
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Post by azman on Jan 4, 2022 20:00:00 GMT -8
I posted annoyed and in disbelief and most likely did not initially express myself very well, but as I said above I am almost completely out of patience with the heavy enforcement and doubling down of failed strategies people. Your last sentence exactly illustrates one of many issues with this most recent policy change - those vaccinated (and boosted) can, and are (at alarmingly high rates) still contracting Omarion/Covid. I am vaccinated and just got done with quarantining due to a breakthrough infection, which the scientists say gives me the best protection of anyone on the planet. I am not going to go get another shot for no reason, and regardless of how well protected I am, policies fail to accept the science behind my current condition. If you want to say "everyone needs a negative test", that almost makes a lot of sense. If you are requiring a new $35 fee to enter a game, I'd like the option to get my money back. If you are saying three shots and you're in, regardless of whether you have Covid, that is a risk reduction strategy that has failed and provides low and decreasing risk reduction. As with the old movie title, "Stop Making Sense", Azteccc. I've had Covid twice---December 2020 and January 1, 2022. The first was a 7 on a 10-scale of discomfort. This one, a 2. The only place I could get tested was at a hospital ER. Fascinating observation was that all of the doctors, nurses and other staff, were outfitted with N-95's, but also had these masks "sealed" to their faces with adhesive tape. Hardcore. The doctor told me the tape was to create better filtering, AND prevent wearers from removing or creating invasion gaps. He also said, that MOST of the new incoming patients to the ER were FULLY vaccinated. Problem is, “fully vaccinated” definition has changed. Fully vaccinated AND boosted people are likely not being admitted to the hospital.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2022 20:02:44 GMT -8
Problem is, “fully vaccinated” definition has changed. Can I point out that the definition of vaccine changed? Or is that not allowed?
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Post by junior on Jan 4, 2022 20:02:50 GMT -8
I feel for the OP, but not a whole lot. I get that his freedom to "choose" is being messed with by a global pandemic, it's happening to all of us. But he needs to understand that the choice he's made - for him and his family - comes with some consequences. Freedom always comes with responsibilities and consequences. And not attending games for the foreseeable future because he refuses to vax up is just one of many that he'll have to work through in the weeks and months ahead - especially if we can't get a better handle on the virus.
He doesn't need to be a sheep. That's fine. Nobody needs to be a sheep. But don't expect the rest of us to give a rat's AZZZtec if someone can't attend a game because they've chosen to exercise their FREEDOM of CHOICE. Actually, some would say that their absence will make those who get in to the games just that much safer.
But the OP and others who had attendance rules change - because of Covid - really should have the option of getting their money back for all games that remain on the schedule.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jan 4, 2022 20:04:37 GMT -8
Yes, we both have big swinging d**ks when it comes to academics. I won't regal you with my GPA or SAT/GMAT scores. Big Whoop. Which makes it all the more perplexing why you spend all this time and effort on right-wing, nonsensical, anti-vax-footsie gaslighting. Well yea, big whoop. You did try though! I spend all this time and effort because pointing out the serious flaws in our current public policy, and the failure to follow the science in real time as opposed to sticking with what we thought we knew/did even though it is obviously failing at almost every step should not be considered right-wing, nonsensical, or anti-vax by anyone who appreciates critical thinking and/or successful and/or beneficial public policy. In my opinion, saying "shut up and just get your vaccination so we can all go back to normal" is just as dimwitted as saying "vaccines cause autism". All of it is based on a lack of critical thinking and people becoming entrenched in ideas that are being fed to them because they are either a) politically cornered or b) well-meaning but completely naive. Good lord. Enjoy watching hoops on TV or whatever cr@ppy streaming service we might happen to be on.
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Post by aztecking on Jan 4, 2022 20:05:04 GMT -8
Have you contacted the ticket office to see if this is an option? Yes Trying to understand your opinion. Today you think the vaccination/booster is bad...why? what changed? Because you think the vaccines don't work? Everything but the bolded is a fairly accurate representation of my opinion. the effectiveness of wearing masks has been exaggerated by the cdc. Any thoughts about the effectiveness of an arbitrary six three feet? 1. you just had one J&J shot several months ago? 2. You can always produce a negative test to get in, Yes, which I realize the studies on breakthrough antibodies are based on Pfizer, and yes, you can. Like I stated above, it would make a lot more sense for everyone to have to produce that test if your goal is risk/harm reduction. You don’t have to pay their $35 fee. That’s just for the same day arena testing. Regular COVID testing is still free in this country. When was the last time you tried to get tested? When was the last time you tried to get a free test turned around in less than 24 hours? Last week actually. Waited in line for 20 min that morning and had my result by the evening.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2022 20:05:43 GMT -8
Well yea, big whoop. You did try though! I spend all this time and effort because pointing out the serious flaws in our current public policy, and the failure to follow the science in real time as opposed to sticking with what we thought we knew/did even though it is obviously failing at almost every step should not be considered right-wing, nonsensical, or anti-vax by anyone who appreciates critical thinking and/or successful and/or beneficial public policy. In my opinion, saying "shut up and just get your vaccination so we can all go back to normal" is just as dimwitted as saying "vaccines cause autism". All of it is based on a lack of critical thinking and people becoming entrenched in ideas that are being fed to them because they are either a) politically cornered or b) well-meaning but completely naive. Good lord. Enjoy watching hoops on TV or whatever cr@ppy streaming service we might happen to be on. I already told the thread I'll be at games. Wonder if they're going to start trying to enforce the mask mandate! Last week actually. Waited in line for 20 min that morning and had my result by the evening. Without an ounce of sarcasm - where? That is amazing. Are you denying vaccinated people have less severe outcomes when recovering covid compared to the unvaccinated? No? And at no point have I ever, that's why I responded the way I did.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 4, 2022 20:11:09 GMT -8
Everything but the bolded is a fairly accurate representation of my opinion. Are you denying vaccinated people have less severe outcomes when recovering covid compared to the unvaccinated? But do we not need to be concerned at some point about vaccine overload? I do not know. Common sense nudges me to ask wouldn't diminishing returns come into play here? Or in fact, the higher number of vaccines in a 12-month period might even have the opposite effect of creating MORE vulnerability?
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Post by junior on Jan 4, 2022 20:13:21 GMT -8
The 18th also just happens to be the first day of classes for Spring Semester. So far, we haven't had any guidance on whether or not classes will be held F2F or virtually, but UCSD is already planning to start online. All students/fac/staff will have to be boostered and students will have to show a negative test before they can return to campus. Those are the rules. So it's no great wonder why the same rules are being extended to off-campus visitors and basketball fans. In fact, some might say the rules for fans are more relaxed since they can show a negative test and remain unvaxxed. SDSU students, faculty, and staff aren't getting those choices.
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Post by aztecking on Jan 4, 2022 20:17:56 GMT -8
Good lord. Enjoy watching hoops on TV or whatever cr@ppy streaming service we might happen to be on. I already told the thread I'll be at games. Wonder if they're going to start trying to enforce the mask mandate! Last week actually. Waited in line for 20 min that morning and had my result by the evening. Without an ounce of sarcasm - where? That is amazing. Are you denying vaccinated people have less severe outcomes when recovering covid compared to the unvaccinated? No? And at no point have I ever, that's why I responded the way I did. Kaiser (Zion location)…showed up when they opened at 7:30am. Had the result in my email inbox at like 10pm that evening. I’ve been tested 3 times. That 20 min wait was the longest I’ve waited and the result never took more than 24 hrs.
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Post by aztecforlife2006 on Jan 4, 2022 20:26:07 GMT -8
I already told the thread I'll be at games. Wonder if they're going to start trying to enforce the mask mandate! Without an ounce of sarcasm - where? That is amazing. No? And at no point have I ever, that's why I responded the way I did. Kaiser (Zion location)…showed up when they opened at 7:30am. Had the result in my email inbox at like 10pm that evening. I’ve been tested 3 times. That 20 min wait was the longest I’ve waited and the result never took more than 24 hrs. The La Mesa location has also been very fast. I’ve tested there twice and both times less than 24 hr to get results as well.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2022 20:28:53 GMT -8
Kaiser (Zion location)…showed up when they opened at 7:30am. Had the result in my email inbox at like 10pm that evening. I’ve been tested 3 times. That 20 min wait was the longest I’ve waited and the result never took more than 24 hrs. The La Mesa location has also been very fast. I’ve tested there twice and both times less than 24 hr to get results as well. Do you need a doctor recommendation? Or just schedule online and show up with your insurance card?
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Post by junior on Jan 4, 2022 20:32:02 GMT -8
The La Mesa location has also been very fast. I’ve tested there twice and both times less than 24 hr to get results as well. Do you need a doctor recommendation? Or just schedule online and show up with your insurance card? Only if your insurance card says Kaiser. That's the catch. It would be great if Sharp, UCSD, and Scripps got on the ball the way they did with vaccines.
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Post by aztecking on Jan 4, 2022 20:33:37 GMT -8
The La Mesa location has also been very fast. I’ve tested there twice and both times less than 24 hr to get results as well. Do you need a doctor recommendation? Or just schedule online and show up with your insurance card? No doctor recommendation. You fill out a short form online describing your symptoms or the reason for the test…then an email confirmation is sent and you just bring your insurance card. You don’t schedule a time either. Just show up whenever that day (obviously earlier will be a shorter wait). You need to have your insurance through Kaiser.
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Post by aztecforlife2006 on Jan 4, 2022 20:37:02 GMT -8
Fill out the questionnaire online or in the app. Then it’s put in their system and you just show up. Tell them your name and medical record number. It’s a drive thru
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Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2022 20:37:42 GMT -8
Look at that... thank you king & junior, my bltching has officially produced useful information for myself and hopefully others. I have heard from people that they tried to get reimbursement through Kaiser but were denied because there was not a doctor rec beforehand, but that was at non-Kaiser locations. I'll have to look into the online scheduling.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 4, 2022 20:39:27 GMT -8
If you need a "special" mask, just look on Amazon. Heck you may even find a non paper mask at Home Depot. Just give it a try you say you have until the 18th.
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