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Post by johneaztec on Mar 14, 2022 12:44:37 GMT -8
At the same time it's alarming to see the Democratic Party and how far some have extended to the extreme far left. Most everything goes both ways. The laziest of analysis. Do you just copy and paste "both sides" takes over and over and convince yourself it's real? The people everyone love to hate in the Democratic Party are AOC, Tlaib, Omar, etc. The people on the opposite side are Madison Cawthorn, Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene....uh, yeah. I'll choose the side that doesn't think Hillary Clinton is a Satan worshipping cult leader, promotes over the top gun propaganda and worships Donald Trump. No need to simply copy and paste when it's a fact that everyone knows.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 14, 2022 12:49:50 GMT -8
The laziest of analysis. Do you just copy and paste "both sides" takes over and over and convince yourself it's real? The people everyone love to hate in the Democratic Party are AOC, Tlaib, Omar, etc. The people on the opposite side are Madison Cawthorn, Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene....uh, yeah. I'll choose the side that doesn't think Hillary Clinton is a Satan worshipping cult leader, promotes over the top gun propaganda and worships Donald Trump. No need to simply copy and paste when it's an fact that everyone knows. For the people who can't think for themselves or oversimplify everything, sure. The lazy whataboutism doesn't quantify the scale of what's really happening. Just because there are bad actors on both sides doesn't mean that that somehow equates as being even or equal in any regard.
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Post by azson on Mar 14, 2022 13:43:48 GMT -8
No need to simply copy and paste when it's an fact that everyone knows. For the people who can't think for themselves or oversimplify everything, sure. The lazy whataboutism doesn't quantify the scale of what's really happening. Just because there are bad actors on both sides doesn't mean that that somehow equates as being even or equal in any regard. Common, Ryan. Everyone knows there's very fine people, on both sides.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 14, 2022 15:31:50 GMT -8
I HIGHLY doubt there's anybody from the GOP that's happy that innocent people are being killed in Ukraine. I also doubt that there's anybody that's pro Putin invading Ukraine. There's idiots on both sides and Cawthorn's statement was definitely idiotic. I just don't think it's true there's a FACTION in the GOP that are "Pro Putin." And you're wrong. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Every Republican voted against impeachment when given the choice over withholding military aid to Ukraine to prevent this exact type of situation from happening. Why? It's not because of their upstanding moral compass. Kevin McCarthy said "these are not Putin's gas prices, they are Biden's gas prices." This is in addition to EIGHT GOP members who traveled to Russia in July of 2018 to meet with high-ranking officials in the Kremlin, who all conveniently voted against election security bills KNOWING that Russian interference in our election had taken place. Follow the dots. You can blame Obama for lack of Ukrainian support as well. See how we can always go back to the other Party wasn't innocent either? There were many, including Obama, that were worried if we did provide Ukraine with weapons it would escalate a problem with Russia.
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Post by uwphoto on Mar 14, 2022 16:33:34 GMT -8
Hate to say it guys..but I'm worried. I was around for 1962 and saw the look in my Dad's eyes. He taught Russian at the Army Language School in Monterey back in the day. I'm afraid we are in a 1962 moment. I don’t like what I'm seeing, and hearing, from different media channels. I'm hoping this cools off, cause it has real potential to go off the rails..which won't be good for anybody..no matter the politics.
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Post by aardvark on Mar 14, 2022 16:43:14 GMT -8
Hate to say it guys..but I'm worried. I was around for 1962 and saw the look in my Dad's eyes. He taught Russian at the Army Language School in Monterey back in the day. I'm afraid we are in a 1962 moment. I don’t like what I'm seeing, and hearing, from different media channels. I'm hoping this cools off, cause it has real potential to go off the rails..which won't be good for anybody..no matter the politics. Will the Russian people rise up against Putin before it gets to that point? I mean, Putin is nuts, but I do share your concern. Especially should this invasion of Ukraine spill over that country's borders.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 14, 2022 16:56:54 GMT -8
And you're wrong. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Every Republican voted against impeachment when given the choice over withholding military aid to Ukraine to prevent this exact type of situation from happening. Why? It's not because of their upstanding moral compass. Kevin McCarthy said "these are not Putin's gas prices, they are Biden's gas prices." This is in addition to EIGHT GOP members who traveled to Russia in July of 2018 to meet with high-ranking officials in the Kremlin, who all conveniently voted against election security bills KNOWING that Russian interference in our election had taken place. Follow the dots. You can blane Obama for lack of Ukrainian support as well. See how we can always go back to the other Party wasn't innocent either? There were many, including Obama, that were worried if we did provide Ukraine with weapons it would escalate a problem with Russia. The difference here is we had a literal impeachment process because of the direct withholding over aid to Ukraine in exchange for political favors. See how they aren't the same? The Obama administration specifically withheld Javelin missiles in fear that Russian forces would infiltrate Ukraine and seize the technology. The Trump administration withheld military aid because Ukraine wouldn't dig up dirt on Joe Biden. It's not about both sides, it's about relevance and magnitude. The situations aren't the same, aren't close to the same at all.
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 14, 2022 22:57:45 GMT -8
And you're wrong. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Every Republican voted against impeachment when given the choice over withholding military aid to Ukraine to prevent this exact type of situation from happening. Why? It's not because of their upstanding moral compass. Kevin McCarthy said "these are not Putin's gas prices, they are Biden's gas prices." This is in addition to EIGHT GOP members who traveled to Russia in July of 2018 to meet with high-ranking officials in the Kremlin, who all conveniently voted against election security bills KNOWING that Russian interference in our election had taken place. Follow the dots. You can blane Obama for lack of Ukrainian support as well. See how we can always go back to the other Party wasn't innocent either? There were many, including Obama, that were worried if we did provide Ukraine with weapons it would escalate a problem with Russia. This is a valid point, and I think that Obama's position was valid. Why should we be arming Russia's neighbor who has been close to or a part of Russia for centuries? Why is that part of our geopolitical sphere? That being said, Trump withheld aid to try and extort political favors... which is why I keep bringing up Trump in all of this. The GOP needs to give Trump the boot.
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Post by uwphoto on Mar 15, 2022 6:17:20 GMT -8
Putin must have something on trump. He can't even bring himself to say something bad about the guy...even with images if dead women and children on the screen. POS.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 15, 2022 8:30:41 GMT -8
You can blane Obama for lack of Ukrainian support as well. See how we can always go back to the other Party wasn't innocent either? There were many, including Obama, that were worried if we did provide Ukraine with weapons it would escalate a problem with Russia. This is a valid point, and I think that Obama's position was valid. Why should we be arming Russia's neighbor who has been close to or a part of Russia for centuries? Why is that part of our geopolitical sphere? That being said, Trump withheld aid to try and extort political favors... which is why I keep bringing up Trump in all of this. The GOP needs to give Trump the boot. He's going to be the nominee in '24.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 15, 2022 8:31:31 GMT -8
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Post by uwphoto on Mar 15, 2022 9:20:23 GMT -8
not even a little bit surprising..of course I could have given them the same Psych. profile in 2015.
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 16, 2022 3:54:21 GMT -8
As reported by CNN, President Zalinsky addressed Congress requesting/pleading for Russian made MiG fighters and additional air defenses from NATO countries to reclaim control of Ukrainian Air Space. The Biden Administration is very hesitant to fulfill their requests, fearing escalation of the conflict.
Reports also say President Biden will visit Europe soon to access the situation.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 16, 2022 8:28:18 GMT -8
You know what this was called in 1942? The Final Solution.
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 17, 2022 1:26:22 GMT -8
You know what this was called in 1942? The Final Solution. Well, I didn't see Putin going in this direction, that's for sure. Gross. I'd like to think that this type of propaganda campaign would be less effective in the 21st century due to people living in Russia learning about WWII and Hitler, and access to the internet.
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 20, 2022 18:32:11 GMT -8
Reports are that Poland wanted to send older MiG fighter planes to Ukraine for Ukrainian pilots to fly, but the Biden people put the brakes on that. I don’t know if that was a good decision or not, but it is clear that Putin is still dictating the terms of the fight….in other words he still has the initiative, in spite of his army’s stalled ground offensive.
As it is right now, all Putin needs to do is growl about escalating the conflict and the Biden people back down.
That is not a sound winning military strategy.
Once again, President Clinton promised the Ukrainian People the USA would protect them in lieu of giving up their nuclear weapons.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 20, 2022 18:37:51 GMT -8
Reports are that Poland wanted to send older MiG fighter planes to Ukraine for Ukrainian pilots to fly, but the Biden people put the brakes on that. I don’t know if that was a good decision or not, but it is clear that Putin is still dictating the terms of the fight….in other words he still has the initiative, in spite of his army’s stalled ground offensive. As it is right now, all Putin needs to do is growl about escalating the conflict and the Biden people back down. That is not a sound winning military strategy. Once again, President Clinton promised the Ukrainian People the USA would protect them in lieu of giving up their nuclear weapons. Once again, this argument lacks critical context and is utterly misleading. Escalation of a conflict doesn't serve US interests. From 1994: "Under the agreement, the United States, Russia and Britain will provide security assurances for Ukraine when it gives up its weapons and becomes an adherent of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine also will get financial assistance in dismantling the weapons as well as compensation for surrendering the highly enriched uranium in the warheads, which can be converted into fuel for civilian nuclear reactors."
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 21, 2022 9:20:32 GMT -8
Reports are that Poland wanted to send older MiG fighter planes to Ukraine for Ukrainian pilots to fly, but the Biden people put the brakes on that. I don’t know if that was a good decision or not, but it is clear that Putin is still dictating the terms of the fight….in other words he still has the initiative, in spite of his army’s stalled ground offensive. As it is right now, all Putin needs to do is growl about escalating the conflict and the Biden people back down. That is not a sound winning military strategy. Once again, President Clinton promised the Ukrainian People the USA would protect them in lieu of giving up their nuclear weapons. Once again, this argument lacks critical context and is utterly misleading. Escalation of a conflict doesn't serve US interests. From 1994: "Under the agreement, the United States, Russia and Britain will provide security assurances for Ukraine when it gives up its weapons and becomes an adherent of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine also will get financial assistance in dismantling the weapons as well as compensation for surrendering the highly enriched uranium in the warheads, which can be converted into fuel for civilian nuclear reactors." What security assurances were provided for Ukraine?
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 21, 2022 9:29:51 GMT -8
Once again, this argument lacks critical context and is utterly misleading. Escalation of a conflict doesn't serve US interests. From 1994: "Under the agreement, the United States, Russia and Britain will provide security assurances for Ukraine when it gives up its weapons and becomes an adherent of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine also will get financial assistance in dismantling the weapons as well as compensation for surrendering the highly enriched uranium in the warheads, which can be converted into fuel for civilian nuclear reactors." What security assurances were provided for Ukraine? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 21, 2022 11:22:40 GMT -8
You can blane Obama for lack of Ukrainian support as well. See how we can always go back to the other Party wasn't innocent either? There were many, including Obama, that were worried if we did provide Ukraine with weapons it would escalate a problem with Russia. This is a valid point, and I think that Obama's position was valid. Why should we be arming Russia's neighbor who has been close to or a part of Russia for centuries? Why is that part of our geopolitical sphere? That being said, Trump withheld aid to try and extort political favors... which is why I keep bringing up Trump in all of this. The GOP needs to give Trump the boot. Yes, there was a true concern that Stinger and Javelin missle technologies could have been stolen by the Russians.
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