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Post by AztecBill on Aug 27, 2019 20:14:13 GMT -8
I also am semi concerned that Cincy was so willing to move a "Top 30 prospect" for a pitcher that they likely know they are getting for one and a half seasons and has made it clear he is hitting the market after next season. Its not like they were contending legitimately this year. I guess they are "all in" for 2020? They were willing to move him for all of the same reasons you are pushing. So adding that as another reason really is doubling up on the one big reason. I tend to agree with you and I think Ryan agrees that Trammell has a lot to prove. His ceiling is pretty high but he could be a dismal failure too.
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Post by survalli on Aug 27, 2019 22:34:38 GMT -8
Reyes hits a three run homer, the third straight game he’s homered. Oh well😲😲 pure luck! i mean he has to be washed up after a year in a half in the majors.
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Post by survalli on Aug 27, 2019 22:36:38 GMT -8
Actually, I am more concerned about the 396 plate appearances in 97 games since May 1st by Trammell. Nobody in professional circles is. the Reds were...
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Post by survalli on Aug 27, 2019 22:47:16 GMT -8
Do you actually watch the games? Franmil’s presence in the lineup made a difference. Renfroe, Machado, Tatis and Reyes carried the offense in the 1st half, Preller broke that up for a guy who might make it up to the majors next July. The game right now is about the long ball. His presence in the lineup created a ridiculous back to back situation with Renfroe that destroyed any kind of balance or efficiency. You're making a big leap here. Franmil wasn't carrying anything - He couldn't produce outside of a solo home run (He holds the major league record for fewest RBI's with 25 or more home runs)....He was one of the worst hitters in baseball with runners in scoring position in particular. He showed no ability to cut down his approach with 2 strikes, especially against power pitchers (32 strikeouts in 69 AB's). The team is actually producing a slightly better slash line in the 2nd half. The game will be about the long ball until this offseason, when they make changes to the ball (again)....You should want the Padres to cut down on below average players if you want to see them win. Franmil has 33 homeruns and 63 RBI's. The RBI's were not his fault, how often did Franmil bat cleanup? this is a real question. how many RBI's was he going to get batting second with the bottom order of that line up? How many RBI's was he going to get batting second with Tatis? With the Padre line up?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 5:41:47 GMT -8
Reyes hits a three run homer, the third straight game he’s homered. Oh well😲😲 Franny has had a nice week. 3 jacks, over 10 RBI. He will make a solid AL designated hitter, I think. Streaky? Yes. But he has value over there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 5:47:49 GMT -8
His presence in the lineup created a ridiculous back to back situation with Renfroe that destroyed any kind of balance or efficiency. You're making a big leap here. Franmil wasn't carrying anything - He couldn't produce outside of a solo home run (He holds the major league record for fewest RBI's with 25 or more home runs)....He was one of the worst hitters in baseball with runners in scoring position in particular. He showed no ability to cut down his approach with 2 strikes, especially against power pitchers (32 strikeouts in 69 AB's). The team is actually producing a slightly better slash line in the 2nd half. The game will be about the long ball until this offseason, when they make changes to the ball (again)....You should want the Padres to cut down on below average players if you want to see them win. Franmil has 33 homeruns and 63 RBI's. The RBI's were not his fault, how often did Franmil bat cleanup? this is a real question. how many RBI's was he going to get batting second with the bottom order of that line up? How many RBI's was he going to get batting second with Tatis? With the Padre line up? Valid take, on batting second and the bottom part of that lineup sure. That being said, Franmil didnt exactly kill it this year w/ RISP, though with RISP and 2 outs he showed much better.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 28, 2019 8:49:41 GMT -8
His presence in the lineup created a ridiculous back to back situation with Renfroe that destroyed any kind of balance or efficiency. You're making a big leap here. Franmil wasn't carrying anything - He couldn't produce outside of a solo home run (He holds the major league record for fewest RBI's with 25 or more home runs)....He was one of the worst hitters in baseball with runners in scoring position in particular. He showed no ability to cut down his approach with 2 strikes, especially against power pitchers (32 strikeouts in 69 AB's). The team is actually producing a slightly better slash line in the 2nd half. The game will be about the long ball until this offseason, when they make changes to the ball (again)....You should want the Padres to cut down on below average players if you want to see them win. Franmil has 33 homeruns and 63 RBI's. The RBI's were not his fault, how often did Franmil bat cleanup? this is a real question. how many RBI's was he going to get batting second with the bottom order of that line up? How many RBI's was he going to get batting second with Tatis? With the Padre line up? Batting cleanup this season, Reyes hit .185, with 5 HR and 10 RBI in 94 plate appearances. In fairness, I don't have it broken down between his time with the Padres and Indians.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2019 8:54:20 GMT -8
His presence in the lineup created a ridiculous back to back situation with Renfroe that destroyed any kind of balance or efficiency. You're making a big leap here. Franmil wasn't carrying anything - He couldn't produce outside of a solo home run (He holds the major league record for fewest RBI's with 25 or more home runs)....He was one of the worst hitters in baseball with runners in scoring position in particular. He showed no ability to cut down his approach with 2 strikes, especially against power pitchers (32 strikeouts in 69 AB's). The team is actually producing a slightly better slash line in the 2nd half. The game will be about the long ball until this offseason, when they make changes to the ball (again)....You should want the Padres to cut down on below average players if you want to see them win. Franmil has 33 homeruns and 63 RBI's. The RBI's were not his fault, how often did Franmil bat cleanup? this is a real question. how many RBI's was he going to get batting second with the bottom order of that line up? How many RBI's was he going to get batting second with Tatis? With the Padre line up? Not his fault? He played 45 games either batting cleanup or fifth. He had 14 RBI's combined with 44 strikeouts. As a cleanup hitter, he hit .162. With runners in scoring position, he was 11-63 with 19 strikeouts (.175)...So yeah, that was his fault. He showed no ability to situationally modify his approach, especially with two strikes. His production in run producing situations was terrible.
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Post by survalli on Aug 28, 2019 11:10:09 GMT -8
Franmil has 33 homeruns and 63 RBI's. The RBI's were not his fault, how often did Franmil bat cleanup? this is a real question. how many RBI's was he going to get batting second with the bottom order of that line up? How many RBI's was he going to get batting second with Tatis? With the Padre line up? Not his fault? He played 45 games either batting cleanup or fifth. He had 14 RBI's combined with 44 strikeouts. As a cleanup hitter, he hit .162. With runners in scoring position, he was 11-63 with 19 strikeouts (.175)...So yeah, that was his fault. He showed no ability to situationally modify his approach, especially with two strikes. His production in run producing situations was terrible. keep throwing out these numbers, is it his fault nobody was on base when he went yard 28 times for the Padres? If Kinsler or Garcia had gotten on base a few times, if Tatis has just taken a walk.. yes his RISP sucks, but you point out the fact he had 63 opportunities. that does not sound like very many to me. maybe you can show me how that stacks up against the rest of the leader board for homeruns.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2019 11:50:13 GMT -8
Not his fault? He played 45 games either batting cleanup or fifth. He had 14 RBI's combined with 44 strikeouts. As a cleanup hitter, he hit .162. With runners in scoring position, he was 11-63 with 19 strikeouts (.175)...So yeah, that was his fault. He showed no ability to situationally modify his approach, especially with two strikes. His production in run producing situations was terrible. keep throwing out these numbers, is it his fault nobody was on base when he went yard 28 times for the Padres? If Kinsler or Garcia had gotten on base a few times, if Tatis has just taken a walk.. yes his RISP sucks, but you point out the fact he had 63 opportunities. that does not sound like very many to me. maybe you can show me how that stacks up against the rest of the leader board for homeruns. There is no point, because when stats are shown to you that reflect how bad he was, you revert back to nobody being on base. Franmil is a 0.1 WAR player as of today with his hot streak. That's enough for me.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 28, 2019 11:58:04 GMT -8
Padres claim Nick Martini, a 29 year-old outfielder, from the Oakland A's. Not really sure why.
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Post by survalli on Aug 28, 2019 12:40:33 GMT -8
keep throwing out these numbers, is it his fault nobody was on base when he went yard 28 times for the Padres? If Kinsler or Garcia had gotten on base a few times, if Tatis has just taken a walk.. yes his RISP sucks, but you point out the fact he had 63 opportunities. that does not sound like very many to me. maybe you can show me how that stacks up against the rest of the leader board for homeruns. There is no point, because when stats are shown to you that reflect how bad he was, you revert back to nobody being on base. Franmil is a 0.1 WAR player as of today with his hot streak. That's enough for me. I'm serious Ryan, 63 ab's with runners in scoring position. How does that stack up with a player like a Nelson Cruz or a Josh Bell?
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Post by aardvark on Aug 28, 2019 12:58:11 GMT -8
There is no point, because when stats are shown to you that reflect how bad he was, you revert back to nobody being on base. Franmil is a 0.1 WAR player as of today with his hot streak. That's enough for me. I'm serious Ryan, 63 ab's with runners in scoring position. How does that stack up with a player like a Nelson Cruz or a Josh Bell? For the season, Reyes is hitting .184 with RISP. Cruz is hitting .329, and Bell is hitting .324. Plate appearances: Reyes 103, Cruz 106, and Bell 175.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 28, 2019 13:00:27 GMT -8
There is no point, because when stats are shown to you that reflect how bad he was, you revert back to nobody being on base. Franmil is a 0.1 WAR player as of today with his hot streak. That's enough for me. I'm serious Ryan, 63 ab's with runners in scoring position. How does that stack up with a player like a Nelson Cruz or a Josh Bell? Just because he hits a lot of home runs is no reason to put him in big RBI situations. When he hits a homerun he will always get an RBI for himself no matter where he is batting. Placing him at RBI positions in the lineup should only be determined by how he scores Runners on base. To do that a double is as good as a home run.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2019 13:03:28 GMT -8
There is no point, because when stats are shown to you that reflect how bad he was, you revert back to nobody being on base. Franmil is a 0.1 WAR player as of today with his hot streak. That's enough for me. I'm serious Ryan, 63 ab's with runners in scoring position. How does that stack up with a player like a Nelson Cruz or a Josh Bell? Josh Bell in 136 AB's : Hitting .324 and a .434 OBP, with 11 home runs and 74 RBI's. You'll focus on the AB's, not the actual production. Nelson Cruz in 85 AB's : Hitting .329 with 3 home runs and 42 RBI's. Having more AB's in a given situation does not cancel a poor approach at the plate.
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Post by survalli on Aug 28, 2019 14:48:01 GMT -8
I'm serious Ryan, 63 ab's with runners in scoring position. How does that stack up with a player like a Nelson Cruz or a Josh Bell? Josh Bell in 136 AB's : Hitting .324 and a .434 OBP, with 11 home runs and 74 RBI's. You'll focus on the AB's, not the actual production. Nelson Cruz in 85 AB's : Hitting .329 with 3 home runs and 42 RBI's. Having more AB's in a given situation does not cancel a poor approach at the plate. his AB's per RBI were above the league avg. his adjusted batting runs were second highest on the team, his adjusted batting wins were also second highest on the team. his RC is still 4th on team. i note that his avg with Men on Base is .256, higher than his current overall average. With men on 1st Reyes hit .348 , with nobody out and a runner on first he hit a whopping .400 Yes Ryan, i can use stats as well, stats tell me he is pressing, i look at his age, and the way he is being used and I think he is pressing to drive in runs. He seems rather productive in non pressure situations (look at his Clutch Stats with Margin > 4R ! he is batting .313! , that is a sign of youth. Unlike our friend Trammell. The difference is Reyes is in the majors.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2019 15:13:16 GMT -8
Josh Bell in 136 AB's : Hitting .324 and a .434 OBP, with 11 home runs and 74 RBI's. You'll focus on the AB's, not the actual production. Nelson Cruz in 85 AB's : Hitting .329 with 3 home runs and 42 RBI's. Having more AB's in a given situation does not cancel a poor approach at the plate. his AB's per RBI were above the league avg. his adjusted batting runs were second highest on the team, his adjusted batting wins were also second highest on the team. his RC is still 4th on team. i note that his avg with Men on Base is .256, higher than his current overall average. With men on 1st Reyes hit .348 , with nobody out and a runner on first he hit a whopping .400 Yes Ryan, i can use stats as well, stats tell me he is pressing, i look at his age, and the way he is being used and I think he is pressing to drive in runs. He seems rather productive in non pressure situations (look at his Clutch Stats with Margin > 4R ! he is batting .313! , that is a sign of youth. Unlike our friend Trammell. The difference is Reyes is in the majors. He seems rather producitve in situations that don't matter? Cool story. Or, more simply, you like Franmil. I like good baseball players. You can make up whatever crazy narrative you want to spin. I like the person, but he is a much better fit in the AL.
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Post by survalli on Aug 28, 2019 15:32:11 GMT -8
his AB's per RBI were above the league avg. his adjusted batting runs were second highest on the team, his adjusted batting wins were also second highest on the team. his RC is still 4th on team. i note that his avg with Men on Base is .256, higher than his current overall average. With men on 1st Reyes hit .348 , with nobody out and a runner on first he hit a whopping .400 Yes Ryan, i can use stats as well, stats tell me he is pressing, i look at his age, and the way he is being used and I think he is pressing to drive in runs. He seems rather productive in non pressure situations (look at his Clutch Stats with Margin > 4R ! he is batting .313! , that is a sign of youth. Unlike our friend Trammell. The difference is Reyes is in the majors. He seems rather producitve in situations that don't matter? Cool story. Or, more simply, you like Franmil. I like good baseball players. You can make up whatever crazy narrative you want to spin. I like the person, but he is a much better fit in the AL. Any fool can see he is much better as a DH, never the question, but your rationalization for the trade and what we got is the question. batting .400 with a runner on base is a situation that does matter? So you want to twist what I'm saying to "not matter?" stick to numbers. at least you can make people look them up to see how you are twisting them.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2019 16:18:56 GMT -8
He seems rather producitve in situations that don't matter? Cool story. Or, more simply, you like Franmil. I like good baseball players. You can make up whatever crazy narrative you want to spin. I like the person, but he is a much better fit in the AL. Any fool can see he is much better as a DH, never the question, but your rationalization for the trade and what we got is the question. batting .400 with a runner on base is a situation that does matter? So you want to twist what I'm saying to "not matter?" stick to numbers. at least you can make people look them up to see how you are twisting them. Nobody on this end is twisting things. Only someone who is oblivious would compare runners in scoring position (a real, valuable statisic) to a random situation with a runner on. Here's another one : 2 outs and runners in scoring position : .167. That's an actual measured statistic. We can beat this to death, you're not going to be convinced of the truth. Moving on. I'm team Trammell.
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Post by survalli on Aug 28, 2019 20:24:44 GMT -8
Any fool can see he is much better as a DH, never the question, but your rationalization for the trade and what we got is the question. batting .400 with a runner on base is a situation that does matter? So you want to twist what I'm saying to "not matter?" stick to numbers. at least you can make people look them up to see how you are twisting them. Nobody on this end is twisting things. Only someone who is oblivious would compare runners in scoring position (a real, valuable statisic) to a random situation with a runner on. Here's another one : 2 outs and runners in scoring position : .167. That's an actual measured statistic. We can beat this to death, you're not going to be convinced of the truth. Moving on. I'm team Trammell. I measure it as potential, just as you are using OBP to measure potential for Trammell. I can appreciate that. Im not quick to write off Reyes's potential, clearly Cleveland agrees with me. If flames out his third year. i will be hear to apologize to you.
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