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Post by aztecanthony on May 4, 2019 18:15:13 GMT -8
Plenty of coaches do it, Dutcher would not be any different So if other people do it...it must be okay?...hmmm Top programs with high level recruiting have to do it or they fall from the upper blue blood level. Players figure it out with the coaches assistance or on their own. Its part of the process of landing with the right team where they can contribute. It will all take care of itself and a very good problem I hope we have.
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Post by jp92grad on May 4, 2019 18:47:43 GMT -8
People need to remember things are changing in the world of recruiting right before our eyes. The new "Transfer Portal" is now letting players move around like never before. This is the first year and all bets are off on how teams fill their rosters.
I just wonder how this will work out going forward for both players and coaches? Will higher level coaches poach lower level? Will players want to play at bigger programs after some success? Will players at big programs not getting minutes want more play time elsewhere? Will coaches pressure players into the Transfer Portal?
"This has all been going on behind the scenes for years, now it's out in the open"
I hate to say but this (loading up) could allow for San Diego State to get back on the map. If they have a chance to get a few more (top level) players and then have to ask some to leave to look at other options elsewhere so be it. The reality is they are not going to get any play time if they stay.
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Post by aztecsfan05 on May 4, 2019 19:04:31 GMT -8
I said it in another thread on the main page, but the staff's job is to win games and you do that by bringing the best players. Does you no good to be unemployed and a nice guy. Just my two cents.
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Post by aztecfred on May 5, 2019 14:55:54 GMT -8
With all the targets out there, in a hypothetical scenario where you could land all of them and Dutcher has no issue making room, I was thinking about how I'd stack the roster and also how I'd prioritize the recruits. My take: Guaranteed Scholarships:1) Flynn (2 years remaining) 2) Feagin (1 year) 3) Nathan Mensah (3 years) 4) Arop (3 years) 5) Mitchell (2 years) 6) Schakel (2 years) 7) Keshad Johnson (4 years) Ideally keep, but if we really need room:8) Joel Mensah (3 years) - Did not look ready last year, hard to tell how coaches feel about his longer term upside9) Pulliam (2 years) - Staff seems high on him, but he may want to go elsewhere if playing team looks questionableExpendable:10) Seiko (3 years) - Solid role player, but don't think he'll ever develop into a starter, seems like Pulliam has more upside. If we added another guard or 2, he's not going to get any playing time.11) Narain (1 year) - Seems like a great kid, but I am not sure that the light bulb is going to come in year 4. Recruiting Targets:1) Jaden McDaniels (1 year (assuming 1 and done)) - If he wants to come, we find a spot for him
2) Boogie Ellis (2 years?) - I am not sure he's a 1 and done guy. I don't think we can get him, but like Jaden I think you find a spot if he wants to come3) Miles Norris (sit 1, play 3) - Haven't seen anything on interest relative to the Aztecs as of year and I don't recall there being a lot of interest from him originally4) Justice Sueing (sit 1, play 2) - I really like Sueing, hope we can land him. 5) Jamarl Baker (sit 1, play 2/3) - Would be a great replacement 6) Yanni Wetzel (1 year) - Staff seems high on him and definite immediate need, but less upside and long-term value than the guys above. Curious if maybe he comes in and Narain leaves someone he can get more playing time.7) Warren Washington (sit 1, play 3) - Seemed like we stopped recruiting him when he was in high school, curious how the staff values his upside relative to Joel Mensah at this point. I think I'd take 1-6 keeping the top 7 to get to 13. Obviously the chances of landing 6 from this list are extremely small. So looking at this, and with no defections, we have one spot left? Doubt we sign another one and done? So we will have at least 3 spots next season?
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Post by Gundo on May 5, 2019 15:58:31 GMT -8
With all the targets out there, in a hypothetical scenario where you could land all of them and Dutcher has no issue making room, I was thinking about how I'd stack the roster and also how I'd prioritize the recruits. My take: Guaranteed Scholarships:1) Flynn (2 years remaining) 2) Feagin (1 year) 3) Nathan Mensah (3 years) 4) Arop (3 years) 5) Mitchell (2 years) 6) Schakel (2 years) 7) Keshad Johnson (4 years) Ideally keep, but if we really need room:8) Joel Mensah (3 years) - Did not look ready last year, hard to tell how coaches feel about his longer term upside9) Pulliam (2 years) - Staff seems high on him, but he may want to go elsewhere if playing team looks questionableExpendable:10) Seiko (3 years) - Solid role player, but don't think he'll ever develop into a starter, seems like Pulliam has more upside. If we added another guard or 2, he's not going to get any playing time.11) Narain (1 year) - Seems like a great kid, but I am not sure that the light bulb is going to come in year 4. Recruiting Targets:1) Jaden McDaniels (1 year (assuming 1 and done)) - If he wants to come, we find a spot for him
2) Boogie Ellis (2 years?) - I am not sure he's a 1 and done guy. I don't think we can get him, but like Jaden I think you find a spot if he wants to come3) Miles Norris (sit 1, play 3) - Haven't seen anything on interest relative to the Aztecs as of year and I don't recall there being a lot of interest from him originally4) Justice Sueing (sit 1, play 2) - I really like Sueing, hope we can land him. 5) Jamarl Baker (sit 1, play 2/3) - Would be a great replacement 6) Yanni Wetzel (1 year) - Staff seems high on him and definite immediate need, but less upside and long-term value than the guys above. Curious if maybe he comes in and Narain leaves someone he can get more playing time.7) Warren Washington (sit 1, play 3) - Seemed like we stopped recruiting him when he was in high school, curious how the staff values his upside relative to Joel Mensah at this point. I think I'd take 1-6 keeping the top 7 to get to 13. Obviously the chances of landing 6 from this list are extremely small. So looking at this, and with no defections, we have one spot left? Doubt we sign another one and done? So we will have at least 3 spots next season? We're still going to need bigs for the following year. CG 6'1 Feagin - grad PF 6'10 Wetzell - grad PF 6'10 Narain - RS Sr
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Post by fisherville on May 5, 2019 17:58:40 GMT -8
Plenty of coaches do it, Dutcher would not be any different So if other people do it...it must be okay?...hmmm We've done it too. Maybe it's morally wrong, but it is part of the business.
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Post by fisherville on May 5, 2019 18:00:20 GMT -8
With all the targets out there, in a hypothetical scenario where you could land all of them and Dutcher has no issue making room, I was thinking about how I'd stack the roster and also how I'd prioritize the recruits. My take: Guaranteed Scholarships:1) Flynn (2 years remaining) 2) Feagin (1 year) 3) Nathan Mensah (3 years) 4) Arop (3 years) 5) Mitchell (2 years) 6) Schakel (2 years) 7) Keshad Johnson (4 years) Ideally keep, but if we really need room:8) Joel Mensah (3 years) - Did not look ready last year, hard to tell how coaches feel about his longer term upside9) Pulliam (2 years) - Staff seems high on him, but he may want to go elsewhere if playing team looks questionableExpendable:10) Seiko (3 years) - Solid role player, but don't think he'll ever develop into a starter, seems like Pulliam has more upside. If we added another guard or 2, he's not going to get any playing time.11) Narain (1 year) - Seems like a great kid, but I am not sure that the light bulb is going to come in year 4. Recruiting Targets:1) Jaden McDaniels (1 year (assuming 1 and done)) - If he wants to come, we find a spot for him
2) Boogie Ellis (2 years?) - I am not sure he's a 1 and done guy. I don't think we can get him, but like Jaden I think you find a spot if he wants to come3) Miles Norris (sit 1, play 3) - Haven't seen anything on interest relative to the Aztecs as of year and I don't recall there being a lot of interest from him originally4) Justice Sueing (sit 1, play 2) - I really like Sueing, hope we can land him. 5) Jamarl Baker (sit 1, play 2/3) - Would be a great replacement 6) Yanni Wetzel (1 year) - Staff seems high on him and definite immediate need, but less upside and long-term value than the guys above. Curious if maybe he comes in and Narain leaves someone he can get more playing time.7) Warren Washington (sit 1, play 3) - Seemed like we stopped recruiting him when he was in high school, curious how the staff values his upside relative to Joel Mensah at this point. I think I'd take 1-6 keeping the top 7 to get to 13. Obviously the chances of landing 6 from this list are extremely small. So looking at this, and with no defections, we have one spot left? Doubt we sign another one and done? So we will have at least 3 spots next season? Players will leave
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 5, 2019 19:25:34 GMT -8
So if other people do it...it must be okay?...hmmm We've done it too. Maybe it's morally wrong, but it is part of the business. Outside of players inherited by coach Fisher early on...I can’t remember a situation where a player’s scholarship was revoked...(although I do remember when a player was encouraged to transfer to another program to get mor PT) Can you give me an example where Fisher / Dutch revoked a scholarship in the last 15 years?
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Post by partytecs on May 5, 2019 19:45:29 GMT -8
Yes, Cole Huff got his scholarship pulled. Clint Parks went off on SDSU & Fisher.
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Post by partytecs on May 5, 2019 19:52:05 GMT -8
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Post by Gundo on May 8, 2019 10:50:14 GMT -8
Speaking of Boogie Ellis, has he made any visits, or has he exhausted them in his original recruitment? He was all over the U.S.
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Post by omnipotentaztec on May 8, 2019 11:07:24 GMT -8
Yes, Cole Huff got his scholarship pulled. Clint Parks went off on SDSU & Fisher. Actually, according to the post below your post (reciting events in 2011), Cole Huff voluntarily de-committed based upon his interpretation of Fisher's statement that every scholarship is subject to renewal every year. He thought the statement constituted "writing on the wall" that he be out the following year. So the scholly was never pulled. (He went to Nevada I think.)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 11:53:20 GMT -8
Yes, Cole Huff got his scholarship pulled. Clint Parks went off on SDSU & Fisher. Actually, according to the post below your post (reciting events in 2011), Cole Huff voluntarily de-committed based upon his interpretation of Fisher's statement that every scholarship is subject to renewal every year. He thought the statement constituted "writing on the wall" that he be out the following year. So the scholly was never pulled. (He went to Nevada I think.) Schollies are effectively pulled when a coach approaches a player and encourages him to leave. Players in such scenarios have few options. They can agree to transfer. They can awkwardly stay on a team as an unwanted undervalued quasi member. Or they can pursue other opportunities after they have been officially removed from the program. The first option is the only one that preserves even a hint of dignity. That’s why players typically announce “their” decision to move on.
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Post by aztecttcas on May 8, 2019 13:37:21 GMT -8
Troy Leaf got pulled, too?
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Post by johnnyutah on May 9, 2019 12:03:17 GMT -8
1360 had Jay Morris on yesterday. He talked about Yanni and then was asked how many scholarships the Aztecs have left -- he said 2 and then talked about a couple sit-out transfers they had visit that they'd like to add (Sueing and Baker).
I thought this was interesting because there is only 1 scholarship left. So I don't know if there's anything to make of this, but conspiracy theorist makes me think maybe he knows there's another guy leaving? He also could've just screwed up, but I would think our lead recruiter would know exactly how many scholarships we have left.
Also, note that Dutch was on later and said 1 scholarship left, but I assume he's got more experience with this kinda stuff so wouldn't share anything not public.
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Post by Den60 on May 9, 2019 12:26:13 GMT -8
Actually, according to the post below your post (reciting events in 2011), Cole Huff voluntarily de-committed based upon his interpretation of Fisher's statement that every scholarship is subject to renewal every year. He thought the statement constituted "writing on the wall" that he be out the following year. So the scholly was never pulled. (He went to Nevada I think.) Schollies are effectively pulled when a coach approaches a player and encourages him to leave. Players in such scenarios have few options. They can agree to transfer. They can awkwardly stay on a team as an unwanted undervalued quasi member. Or they can pursue other opportunities after they have been officially removed from the program. The first option is the only one that preserves even a hint of dignity. That’s why players typically announce “their” decision to move on. And Seiko has already used his RS year so his only option would be to transfer to a Div II school or give up a year of eligibility. Nolan also has used his RS year though if he finishes the classes to graduate this summer he can be a grad transfer. The guessing me thinks Nolan will transfer leaving us with two spots to be filled and the most likely two to fill them would be Sueing and Baker.
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Post by johnnyutah on May 9, 2019 12:48:48 GMT -8
Here's my updated view....FWIW.
Guaranteed Scholarships:
1) Flynn (2 years remaining) 2) Feagin (1 year) 3) Nathan Mensah (3 years) 4) Arop (3 years) 5) Mitchell (2 years) 6) Schakel (2 years) 7) Keshad Johnson (4 years) 8) Joel Mensah (3 years) 9) Pulliam (2 years) 10) Yanni Wetzell (1 year)
If Jaden or Boogie surprise and decide to come and we have to find a spot: 11) Seiko (3 years) - If Boogie came, then Pulliam maybe would want to go elsewhere. Likely neither is coming so Seiko stays.
If both Baker and Sueing want to come: 12) Narain (1 year) - I can't blame the kid for wanting to play -- maybe he's already planning on leaving so this becomes an easy/non call for the staff if they need a spot.
Recruiting Targets: 1a) Justice Sueing (sit 1, play 2) 1b) Jamarl Baker (sit 1, play 2/3)
Would take if they wanted to come, but not likely: 1) Jaden McDaniels (1 year (assuming 1 and done)) - If he wants to come, we find a spot for him 2) Boogie Ellis (2 years?) - I am not sure he's a 1 and done guy. I don't think we can get him, but like Jaden I think you find a spot if he wants to come
Possible back-up plans: 1) Miles Norris (sit 1, play 3) - I haven't seen anything tying him to the Aztecs so while you'd think he'd be on the target list, maybe the staff (or he) isn't interested. He might be an excellent talent, but maybe not the right "fit" from a chemistry perspective? I could be totally wrong, just seems odd there hasn't been any noise. 2) Warren Washington (sit 1, play 3) - I think staff passed on him the first time, maybe they'd consider taking him if they have another scholarship.
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Post by hoobs on May 9, 2019 12:58:12 GMT -8
I think that's a excellent SitRep, FBI Special Agent Johnny Utah...
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Post by standiego on May 10, 2019 10:28:36 GMT -8
Per Zeigler in Friday UT Justice - will transfer to Ohio State- cross another off the list of potential players- was a major target we had hoped to sign
Baker - team mate of Matt M in HS and his older sister attended SDSU - is best opportunity - But wants to visit several other schools
Ellis - most likely to Memphis or Ducks - wants to play right away - we are loaded at guard after adding the other transfers
Jaden McD - most think we are third choice after U W or Kentucky
Miles Norris - has visited USD - is 6 '10 - late entry into the transfer portal-
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Post by ignoranus on May 10, 2019 10:43:56 GMT -8
They're melting.....
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