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Post by johnnyutah on May 3, 2019 8:49:49 GMT -8
With all the targets out there, in a hypothetical scenario where you could land all of them and Dutcher has no issue making room, I was thinking about how I'd stack the roster and also how I'd prioritize the recruits.
My take:
Guaranteed Scholarships: 1) Flynn (2 years remaining) 2) Feagin (1 year) 3) Nathan Mensah (3 years) 4) Arop (3 years) 5) Mitchell (2 years) 6) Schakel (2 years) 7) Keshad Johnson (4 years)
Ideally keep, but if we really need room: 8) Joel Mensah (3 years) - Did not look ready last year, hard to tell how coaches feel about his longer term upside 9) Pulliam (2 years) - Staff seems high on him, but he may want to go elsewhere if playing team looks questionable
Expendable: 10) Seiko (3 years) - Solid role player, but don't think he'll ever develop into a starter, seems like Pulliam has more upside. If we added another guard or 2, he's not going to get any playing time. 11) Narain (1 year) - Seems like a great kid, but I am not sure that the light bulb is going to come in year 4.
Recruiting Targets: 1) Jaden McDaniels (1 year (assuming 1 and done)) - If he wants to come, we find a spot for him 2) Boogie Ellis (2 years?) - I am not sure he's a 1 and done guy. I don't think we can get him, but like Jaden I think you find a spot if he wants to come 3) Miles Norris (sit 1, play 3) - Haven't seen anything on interest relative to the Aztecs as of year and I don't recall there being a lot of interest from him originally 4) Justice Sueing (sit 1, play 2) - I really like Sueing, hope we can land him. 5) Jamarl Baker (sit 1, play 2/3) - Would be a great replacement 6) Yanni Wetzel (1 year) - Staff seems high on him and definite immediate need, but less upside and long-term value than the guys above. Curious if maybe he comes in and Narain leaves someone he can get more playing time. 7) Warren Washington (sit 1, play 3) - Seemed like we stopped recruiting him when he was in high school, curious how the staff values his upside relative to Joel Mensah at this point.
I think I'd take 1-6 keeping the top 7 to get to 13. Obviously the chances of landing 6 from this list are extremely small.
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Post by fisher1fan on May 3, 2019 9:26:38 GMT -8
Joel will be here.
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Post by johnnyutah on May 3, 2019 9:32:09 GMT -8
So you'd put him in my bucket 1? Big guys often take longer to develop so hopefully the staff is still high on him...hard to gauge from a fan's perspective so more of a guess on my part as to where to put him.
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Post by azteccc on May 3, 2019 10:12:12 GMT -8
Not a knock specific to this list, but I think this entire board is undervaluing Seiko.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 10:14:07 GMT -8
Not a knock specific to this list, but I think this entire board is undervaluing Seiko. Are you basing this off of his on court accomplishments?
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Post by azteccc on May 3, 2019 11:34:11 GMT -8
Not a knock specific to this list, but I think this entire board is undervaluing Seiko. Are you basing this off of his on court accomplishments? I’m basing it on much of this board being impatient and not particularly savvy.
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Post by johnnyutah on May 3, 2019 12:19:01 GMT -8
Not a knock specific to this list, but I think this entire board is undervaluing Seiko. Fair. I don't dislike Seiko -- I am just not sure he has the amount of upside as say someone like Baker would have. Could definitely argue that he should be ahead of Pulliam if it came down to one or the other.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 12:40:07 GMT -8
Not a knock specific to this list, but I think this entire board is undervaluing Seiko. Fair. I don't dislike Seiko -- I am just not sure he has the amount of upside as say someone like Baker would have. Could definitely argue that he should be ahead of Pulliam if it came down to one or the other. To date, Seiko’s main bona fides are related to the fact that he played on one of the top high school basketball teams in the country. On that team, he wasn’t a facilitator, a scorer, or a rebounder. His efforts and contributions were almost exclusively on the defensive end. By all accounts he was a try hard bulldog defensive player rather than a game changing shutdown wing defender, pick pocket wiz, or rim protector. He hasn’t been asked to make plays. He’s a “don’t f x x x up guy.” He lacks the polished skills, physical attributes, and aggressive disposition of a high ceiling player. Pulliam hasn’t exactly shown himself to be a world beater in his time in HS and JC, but he has been an active contributor. He makes plays. I’d be fine with keeping Pulliam over Seiko. I see both as being easily replaceable.
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Post by aztecttcas on May 3, 2019 12:45:19 GMT -8
Drop Seiko. No need to over think. Drop Narain, too. We need to stop being a middling team. If you can get better players, you do it.
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2019 12:49:01 GMT -8
anyone really think Dutcher is a coach that would suggest to a player that they may not get the PT so may want to look else where .
Basketball event is in the next few days so there could be movement after that .
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Post by soccer94 on May 3, 2019 15:29:30 GMT -8
You don't "drop" anyone you recruited who has worked hard and does not want to leave. That says a lot about the integrity of the coach. In the short term it may not help to keep certain players around, but in the long run, the trust built with players, coaches and your reputation is more important to recruiting and the long term stability of the program. You could ask someone to potentially become a preferred walk-on for a season depending on the circumstances. But you don't drop student athletes that you made a commitment to.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 16:20:07 GMT -8
You don't "drop" anyone you recruited who has worked hard and does not want to leave. That says a lot about the integrity of the coach. In the short term it may not help to keep certain players around, but in the long run, the trust built with players, coaches and your reputation is more important to recruiting and the long term stability of the program. You could ask someone to potentially become a preferred walk-on for a season depending on the circumstances. But you don't drop student athletes that you made a commitment to. Scholarships are a one year commitment. Doubling down on recruiting mistakes isn’t a virtue. Sticking with lesser talent when better players become available will hurt the program in both the long and short term. Success drives recruiting. Better players lead to more success. Success leads to better players. This is how a team is built. Pope, Zylan, Kell, and Winston weren’t concerned that James Johnson, Alec Williams, and LaBradford Franklin were urged to move on. Good players don’t concern themselves with those who weren’t good enough.
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Post by soccer94 on May 3, 2019 16:37:40 GMT -8
Maybe they get urged to move on, but the team shouldn't "drop" them unless there is a validating reason such as trouble, lack of effort, etc. Moving on is the choice of the kid. These coaches walked into their living rooms and made a commitment to them and their families during their recruitment, and if they are dropping people the second someone better comes along, they will never be trusted when they step into new living rooms in the future.
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Post by namssa on May 3, 2019 18:29:02 GMT -8
There is a tactful way for a coach to recommend a player transfer. They likely have all done this before. If a player refuses then maybe you keep him but that is probably rare. Pulliam has only been promised a spot and actually doesn't have a scholarship yet. He isn't enrolled so they could suggest he move on if they feel Boogie and Baker are better and are able to land both. I'm in the camp that you get the best players and those that don't measure up are asked to transfer.
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Post by tayloner on May 4, 2019 8:32:47 GMT -8
There is a tactful way for a coach to recommend a player transfer. They likely have all done this before. If a player refuses then maybe you keep him but that is probably rare. Pulliam has only been promised a spot and actually doesn't have a scholarship yet. He isn't enrolled so they could suggest he move on if they feel Boogie and Baker are better and are able to land both. I'm in the camp that you get the best players and those that don't measure up are asked to transfer. With Yanni committing, I think this is about to happen with Narain. In fact, while he didn’t mention Nolan specifically, I think Ziegler basically hinted in his recent article that some guys may be on their way out due to getting recruited over with the 7 guys we’re targeting.
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Post by docmm on May 4, 2019 8:44:23 GMT -8
I'd love to see Narain at a lower level school or even a D2 program so he could really flourish and enjoy BB again. He's a really good kid and deserves some fun from his BB skills.
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Post by fisherville on May 4, 2019 9:15:52 GMT -8
You don't "drop" anyone you recruited who has worked hard and does not want to leave. That says a lot about the integrity of the coach. In the short term it may not help to keep certain players around, but in the long run, the trust built with players, coaches and your reputation is more important to recruiting and the long term stability of the program. You could ask someone to potentially become a preferred walk-on for a season depending on the circumstances. But you don't drop student athletes that you made a commitment to. Plenty of coaches do it, Dutcher would not be any different
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Post by Emerald Eight on May 4, 2019 14:42:35 GMT -8
Seiko getting frisky, must be an aztecmesa subscriber
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 4, 2019 15:09:13 GMT -8
You don't "drop" anyone you recruited who has worked hard and does not want to leave. That says a lot about the integrity of the coach. In the short term it may not help to keep certain players around, but in the long run, the trust built with players, coaches and your reputation is more important to recruiting and the long term stability of the program. You could ask someone to potentially become a preferred walk-on for a season depending on the circumstances. But you don't drop student athletes that you made a commitment to. Scholarships are a one year commitment. Doubling down on recruiting mistakes isn’t a virtue. Sticking with lesser talent when better players become available will hurt the program in both the long and short term. Success drives recruiting. Better players lead to more success. Success leads to better players. This is how a team is built. Pope, Zylan, Kell, and Winston weren’t concerned that James Johnson, Alec Williams, and LaBradford Franklin were urged to move on. Good players don’t concern themselves with those who weren’t good enough. Were the aforementioned encouraged to leave the program or was their scholarship revoked? The difference between the two situations, while similar in eventual outcomes, are completely different approaches. Why would a potential recruit EVER trust a coach who regularly pulls scholarships in lieu of other supposedly more innately talented players?...especially where it has been proven time and time again that the "star-rating" of high school players or or impact of transfers is highly subjective. While there are definitely situations where the goals of the team and players are misaligned, simply discarding players who are contributing to the team is not good a good practice to build trust and ultimately causes a selfish, "I need to get mine", and/or AAU showcase, mentality among the players rather than a players playing for each other and the team.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 4, 2019 15:12:56 GMT -8
You don't "drop" anyone you recruited who has worked hard and does not want to leave. That says a lot about the integrity of the coach. In the short term it may not help to keep certain players around, but in the long run, the trust built with players, coaches and your reputation is more important to recruiting and the long term stability of the program. You could ask someone to potentially become a preferred walk-on for a season depending on the circumstances. But you don't drop student athletes that you made a commitment to. Plenty of coaches do it, Dutcher would not be any different So if other people do it...it must be okay?...hmmm
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