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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 15:14:49 GMT -8
I don't get all the angst and vitriol towards Dutch for the schedule...he can't make a top team come here...and the school does not have the money to pay for one to come...I mean it is what it is...now if you're a top ten team...you're taking a real chance coming to Viejas...the top team has to be really confident they would win...and running video of top teams who have come here vs. a full arena may give a top team pause...the top team has to measure if it will be a good loss or a bad one...because there is a high chance they would lose...then they will have an "L" by a SDSU team that might have an 100 RPI or lower/higher...it's a roll of the dice...so that's they don't want to play here...now we can go to any arena in the nation and play...but the program wants to be seen as a equal...so they want home and home with good teams...and good teams just aren't about that...so what's to do?...SDSU is a victim to it's own home success...... What's to do? Are you suggesting that a schedule that is short 3 games, 2 at home, is acceptable and the new normal? Other teams are doing it. We could have taken a couple of games against lesser teams. We could've accepted a home and home that started on the road.
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Post by fisher1fan on Sept 12, 2019 16:06:05 GMT -8
I don't get all the angst and vitriol towards Dutch for the schedule...he can't make a top team come here...and the school does not have the money to pay for one to come...I mean it is what it is...now if you're a top ten team...you're taking a real chance coming to Viejas...the top team has to be really confident they would win...and running video of top teams who have come here vs. a full arena may give a top team pause...the top team has to measure if it will be a good loss or a bad one...because there is a high chance they would lose...then they will have an "L" by a SDSU team that might have an 100 RPI or lower/higher...it's a roll of the dice...so that's they don't want to play here...now we can go to any arena in the nation and play...but the program wants to be seen as a equal...so they want home and home with good teams...and good teams just aren't about that...so what's to do?...SDSU is a victim to it's own home success...... 28 games is the ncaa minimum. Accepting the minimum with the opponents on the schedule (road and home) is a failure. Option 1: add a home and home with an P5 school, starting on the road. Option 2: start early, other teams get these type of games. Option 3: buy a home game against an average school. Option 4: Use the open dates to arrange a 2 for 1 with a top program (we obviously have open games to do this). Start on the road. It’s better than nothing. Even if it is a failed home schedule, Dutcher and staff didn’t set up a stronger schedule in the next year by agreeing to do anything this year. He just took a punch to the gut without a future benefit. How do they justify the same prices with this schedule?
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Sept 12, 2019 16:37:26 GMT -8
I don't get all the angst and vitriol towards Dutch for the schedule...he can't make a top team come here...and the school does not have the money to pay for one to come...I mean it is what it is...now if you're a top ten team...you're taking a real chance coming to Viejas...the top team has to be really confident they would win...and running video of top teams who have come here vs. a full arena may give a top team pause...the top team has to measure if it will be a good loss or a bad one...because there is a high chance they would lose...then they will have an "L" by a SDSU team that might have an 100 RPI or lower/higher...it's a roll of the dice...so that's they don't want to play here...now we can go to any arena in the nation and play...but the program wants to be seen as a equal...so they want home and home with good teams...and good teams just aren't about that...so what's to do?...SDSU is a victim to it's own home success...... 28 games is the ncaa minimum. Accepting the minimum with the opponents on the schedule (road and home) is a failure. Option 1: add a home and home with an P5 school, starting on the road. Option 2: start early, other teams get these type of games. Option 3: buy a home game against an average school. Option 4: Use the open dates to arrange a 2 for 1 with a top program (we obviously have open games to do this). Start on the road. It’s better than nothing. Even if it is a failed home schedule, Dutcher and staff didn’t set up a stronger schedule in the next year by agreeing to do anything this year. He just took a punch to the gut without a future benefit. How do they justify the same prices with this schedule? Option 1: Are we not tired of playing AZ...AZ St...USC etc?...what's in it for them?...UCLA is not coming here...Oregon St is sorry and Stanford is not much better...nothing says we'll win...so there goes our RPI... Option 2: same as option 1; other teams are not SDSU or have our home atmosphere. Option 3: NO MONEY!! Option 4: Why should the team put itself at a disadvantage just to get a game?...why beg? You arm chair ADs have no foresight......
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Post by Gundo on Sept 12, 2019 17:17:49 GMT -8
He needs to call the Big West, call PAC-12 back and see if they will start a home and home on the road. 28 games? Shame I'm old enough to remember 31 games. 28, if I'm not mistaken, is the minimum allowed by the NCAA. I understand that moving the MWC tournament up a week played a role. However, there's been a pattern of scrambling to add games well after most have announced their schedule s. It no longer appears true that we are above our conference mates in terms of scheduling. We do need the MWC to negotiate deals with other conferences. We should accept home and home deals that start on the road. At 28 game, we should be willing to play quality one offs on the road. I had a conversastion with the Aztec staff and expressed my displeasure on top of my hopes. I was told that all dates and games are sbject to change, ADDITIONAL NON-CONFERENCE GAMES WILL BE ADDED (1 to 3) and the Aztec schedule WILL NOT END WITH 28 games. Reguarding the SMU rumor, the answer is YES, there has been discussions with SMU as with may schools on scheduling. However at this point the 28 game schedule is what has been issued. We don't know if the rest of the OOC will be DI, DII or NAIA. We do know there will be more to come. Right now there are only 4 games in December on 12/4, 12/8, 12/21 & 12/28. Expect some OOC games to be added, however, they will not be in the critical finals period. goaztecs.com/documents/2019/9/11//MBB_schedule_091119.pdf
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Post by fisher1fan on Sept 12, 2019 17:40:20 GMT -8
28 games is the ncaa minimum. Accepting the minimum with the opponents on the schedule (road and home) is a failure. Option 1: add a home and home with an P5 school, starting on the road. Option 2: start early, other teams get these type of games. Option 3: buy a home game against an average school. Option 4: Use the open dates to arrange a 2 for 1 with a top program (we obviously have open games to do this). Start on the road. It’s better than nothing. Even if it is a failed home schedule, Dutcher and staff didn’t set up a stronger schedule in the next year by agreeing to do anything this year. He just took a punch to the gut without a future benefit. How do they justify the same prices with this schedule? Option 1: Are we not tired of playing AZ...AZ St...USC etc?...what's in it for them?...UCLA is not coming here...Oregon St is sorry and Stanford is not much better...nothing says we'll win...so there goes our RPI... Option 2: same as option 1; other teams are not SDSU or have our home atmosphere. Option 3: NO MONEY!! Option 4: Why should the team put itself at a disadvantage just to get a game?...why beg? You arm chair ADs have no foresight...... 1. I’d love to play Az, ASU, USC versus no one! Every team above would be one of the best home games of the year. Oregon State and Stanford would be fun and a recognized name. Is Tenn State better? 2. I highly doubt good teams are scared of coming to the beautiful weather and playing a team that lost to, at home, USD and Brown. Grand Canyon is excited to be in position to sweep us again. Are the Big West and West Coast Conference blacklisting us? Did they call them? We used to play them regularly. Those were fun games! St Mary’s, UCSB. 3. Why not get PAID to go play a school on the road, if money is that big of a concern! Then use the money to buy a game next year (or this year!) ! When season ticket holders cancel, they will have less money. Dutcher could at least highlight who is coming next year as a result of this schedule. 4. It isn’t begging. It is called scheduling games. If Dutcher cannot get games other ways, (28 is the minimum allowed), he needs to find solutions. We have NO game, filling it with the promise of a future home and home is called planning. We start on the road on a date when we wouldn’t play this year, then we have a good home and home to look forward to.
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Post by docmm on Sept 12, 2019 17:42:26 GMT -8
I had an email exchange with Matt Soria and he also said to be patient, at least one more game was in the works. He said that while “it won’t be Kansas”, there will be another game added.
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Post by docmm on Sept 12, 2019 17:50:50 GMT -8
This year, the University of Nevada plays Utah, USC, St. Mary’s, BYU and three or four teams from mid-majors like Davidson, Layola Marymount and Santa Clara. That’s a pretty good schedule. The reason They probably have that schedule is because for the last two or three years they have been the best team in our conference. They did well in the NCAA tournament and had a lot of player national recognition. If we want a better schedule we need to win more games. It’s just that simple. If we have a crappy schedule with crappy teams we just need to beat the snot out of all those crappy teams.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 17:58:51 GMT -8
This year, the University of Nevada plays Utah, USC, St. Mary’s, BYU and three or four teams from mid-majors like Davidson, Layola Marymount and Santa Clara. That’s a pretty good schedule. The reason They probably have that schedule is because for the last two or three years they have been the best team in our conference. They did well in the NCAA tournament and had a lot of player national recognition. If we want a better schedule we need to win more games. It’s just that simple. If we have a crappy schedule with crappy teams we just need to beat the snot out of all those crappy teams. Maybe the staff that was able to out recruit the Aztecs also figurrd out how to out schedule us.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Sept 12, 2019 18:11:25 GMT -8
Option 1: Are we not tired of playing AZ...AZ St...USC etc?...what's in it for them?...UCLA is not coming here...Oregon St is sorry and Stanford is not much better...nothing says we'll win...so there goes our RPI... Option 2: same as option 1; other teams are not SDSU or have our home atmosphere. Option 3: NO MONEY!! Option 4: Why should the team put itself at a disadvantage just to get a game?...why beg? You arm chair ADs have no foresight...... 1. I’d love to play Az, ASU, USC versus no one! Every team above would be one of the best home games of the year. Oregon State and Stanford would be fun and a recognized name. Is Tenn State better? 2. I highly doubt good teams are scared of coming to the beautiful weather and playing a team that lost to, at home, USD and Brown. Grand Canyon is excited to be in position to sweep us again. Are the Big West and West Coast Conference blacklisting us? Did they call them? We used to play them regularly. Those were fun games! St Mary’s, UCSB. 3. Why not get PAID to go play a school on the road, if money is that big of a concern! Then use the money to buy a game next year (or this year!) ! When season ticket holders cancel, they will have less money. Dutcher could at least highlight who is coming next year as a result of this schedule. 4. It isn’t begging. It is called scheduling games. If Dutcher cannot get games other ways, (28 is the minimum allowed), he needs to find solutions. We have NO game, filling it with the promise of a future home and home is called planning. We start on the road on a date when we wouldn’t play this year, then we have a good home and home to look forward to. 1. Do they want to play us?...what's in it for them? 2. USD, Brown and GCU are not top teams that put butts in seats...it's a whole lot different when Gonzaga/NV comes to town.... 3. It has been stated by SDSU that we will not play teams in their house without a home and home...that's what programs do...that's what separates top tier programs from not-so-top tier programs. 4. You're diagnosing the problem...but you're not providing a solution that's viable...do you really think the AD and Dutch are sitting around with their fingers up their collective behinds?...they have stated over and over the problem with scheduling teams...it's either pay...or home and home...THAT'S IT!!...they can't make teams come here...all they can do is negotiate...now what is your plan for getting teams to come here?...how would you persuade them?...what would you give up?
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Post by fisher1fan on Sept 12, 2019 18:41:12 GMT -8
1. I’d love to play Az, ASU, USC versus no one! Every team above would be one of the best home games of the year. Oregon State and Stanford would be fun and a recognized name. Is Tenn State better? 2. I highly doubt good teams are scared of coming to the beautiful weather and playing a team that lost to, at home, USD and Brown. Grand Canyon is excited to be in position to sweep us again. Are the Big West and West Coast Conference blacklisting us? Did they call them? We used to play them regularly. Those were fun games! St Mary’s, UCSB. 3. Why not get PAID to go play a school on the road, if money is that big of a concern! Then use the money to buy a game next year (or this year!) ! When season ticket holders cancel, they will have less money. Dutcher could at least highlight who is coming next year as a result of this schedule. 4. It isn’t begging. It is called scheduling games. If Dutcher cannot get games other ways, (28 is the minimum allowed), he needs to find solutions. We have NO game, filling it with the promise of a future home and home is called planning. We start on the road on a date when we wouldn’t play this year, then we have a good home and home to look forward to. 1. Do they want to play us?...what's in it for them? 2. USD, Brown and GCU are not top teams that put butts in seats...it's a whole lot different when Gonzaga/NV comes to town.... 3. It has been stated by SDSU that we will not play teams in their house without a home and home...that's what programs do...that's what separates top tier programs from not-so-top tier programs. 4. You're diagnosing the problem...but you're not providing a solution that's viable...do you really think the AD and Dutch are sitting around with their fingers up their collective behinds?...they have stated over and over the problem with scheduling teams...it's either pay...or home and home...THAT'S IT!!...they can't make teams come here...all they can do is negotiate...now what is your plan for getting teams to come here?...how would you persuade them?...what would you give up? 1. Dutcher said that they were willing to play us, but the dates didn’t align. Start early before their dates get filled! They get a home game with an opponent they want to play. 2. Good point, but we rarely sell out many games, anymore. 3. It was stated by someone who is having trouble filling a schedule, year after year. Also, we aren’t a top program. We want to be one. We don’t sell out, we aren’t ranked, we haven’t won our conference in a while, unexpected bad losses. 4. I think we should have a long term football and basketball agreement to play annually against an above average school (similar to us). Build a new mini-rivalry. A fun place to visit with an big airport. Without thinking much, say Boston College? Utah? Or some Florida school? 5. They had a rule that they wouldn’t play BYU, now we do regularly. Rules need to evolve when facing challenges. Not all of them, but Utah would be a good mini-rivalry in both sports.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 19:10:21 GMT -8
1. Do they want to play us?...what's in it for them? 2. USD, Brown and GCU are not top teams that put butts in seats...it's a whole lot different when Gonzaga/NV comes to town.... 3. It has been stated by SDSU that we will not play teams in their house without a home and home...that's what programs do...that's what separates top tier programs from not-so-top tier programs. 4. You're diagnosing the problem...but you're not providing a solution that's viable...do you really think the AD and Dutch are sitting around with their fingers up their collective behinds?...they have stated over and over the problem with scheduling teams...it's either pay...or home and home...THAT'S IT!!...they can't make teams come here...all they can do is negotiate...now what is your plan for getting teams to come here?...how would you persuade them?...what would you give up? 1. Dutcher said that they were willing to play us, but the dates didn’t align. Start early before their dates get filled! They get a home game with an opponent they want to play. 2. Good point, but we rarely sell out many games, anymore. 3. It was stated by someone who is having trouble filling a schedule, year after year. Also, we aren’t a top program. We want to be one. We don’t sell out, we aren’t ranked, we haven’t won our conference in a while, unexpected bad losses. 4. I think we should have a long term football and basketball agreement to play annually against an above average school (similar to us). Build a new mini-rivalry. A fun place to visit with an big airport. Without thinking much, say Boston College? Utah? Or some Florida school? 5. They had a rule that they wouldn’t play BYU, now we do regularly. Rules need to evolve when facing challenges. Not all of them, but Utah would be a good mini-rivalry in both sports. WTF do you care? You have stated you don't go to games anyway because the athletic department and coaching staffs for FB and BB don't play YOUR schedule. But the fact you just posted that SDSU should start a mini rivalry with Boston College or a Florida school explains a lot about your knowledge when it comes to Aztec athletics. That should save and make the school a ton of money though. Unreal!!
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Post by Gundo on Sept 12, 2019 19:37:27 GMT -8
I had an email exchange with Matt Soria and he also said to be patient, at least one more game was in the works. He said that while “it won’t be Kansas”, there will be another game added. As did I, He is saying that there will be additoinal OOC and home games and to be patient. However, I dont think we're getting a top 25 home game, perhaps he can negotiate a home & home with another school. We play 4 games in December. Many datess available. At this point why not Big West rivals (UCI, UCSB, CSLB) or other G5s: WCC, AAC, others? I hope we dont have to go to DIIs/NAIA (like CSUDH, San Marcos, Pt Loma, St Kates) Come on Matt let's pull off the Holiday Surprise!
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Post by fisher1fan on Sept 12, 2019 19:53:50 GMT -8
1. Dutcher said that they were willing to play us, but the dates didn’t align. Start early before their dates get filled! They get a home game with an opponent they want to play. 2. Good point, but we rarely sell out many games, anymore. 3. It was stated by someone who is having trouble filling a schedule, year after year. Also, we aren’t a top program. We want to be one. We don’t sell out, we aren’t ranked, we haven’t won our conference in a while, unexpected bad losses. 4. I think we should have a long term football and basketball agreement to play annually against an above average school (similar to us). Build a new mini-rivalry. A fun place to visit with an big airport. Without thinking much, say Boston College? Utah? Or some Florida school? 5. They had a rule that they wouldn’t play BYU, now we do regularly. Rules need to evolve when facing challenges. Not all of them, but Utah would be a good mini-rivalry in both sports. WTF do you care? You have stated you don't go to games anyway because the athletic department and coaching staffs for FB and BB don't play YOUR schedule. But the fact you just posted that SDSU should start a mini rivalry with Boston College or a Florida school explains a lot about your knowledge when it comes to Aztec athletics. That should save and make the school a ton of money though. Unreal!! Yes, the Travel costs would be too high, but there’s a school that could work. Utah might be. Again, I don’t know. Hey we joined the Big East for a hot minute. I have season tickets to both sports. I share football with my college roommate, so he goes other games. I go to every game Basketball game I can. I might miss 0-2 a year and that was when I was living in OC. It’s a pain in the a$$ to drive 3 plus hours for a Tuesday night game against San Jose St with the late start times. Campout for BYU, road trips with family (personal fave - double OT vs Temple). If you think these schedules are good, then I’m happy for you. I suggested some bad ideas, and maybe one or two that might work. Let’s have a discussion: How would you improve the scheduling? What new thing should we try because it’s getting harder every year? Neutral site games to make money?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 20:14:12 GMT -8
WTF do you care? You have stated you don't go to games anyway because the athletic department and coaching staffs for FB and BB don't play YOUR schedule. But the fact you just posted that SDSU should start a mini rivalry with Boston College or a Florida school explains a lot about your knowledge when it comes to Aztec athletics. That should save and make the school a ton of money though. Unreal!! Yes, the Travel costs would be too high, but there’s a school that could work. Utah might be. Again, I don’t know. Hey we joined the Big East for a hot minute. I have season tickets to both sports. I share football with my college roommate, so he goes other games. I go to every game Basketball game I can. I might miss 0-2 a year and that was when I was living in OC. It’s a pain in the a$$ to drive 3 plus hours for a Tuesday night game against San Jose St with the late start times. Campout for BYU, road trips with family (personal fave - double OT vs Temple). If you think these schedules are good, then I’m happy for you. I suggested some bad ideas, and maybe one or two that might work. Let’s have a discussion: How would you improve the scheduling? What new thing should we try because it’s getting harder every year? Neutral site games to make money? The thing is, other teams are getting it done. Even the most informed message board poster is unlikely to know all of the individual mistakes that went into creating this schedule. Real solutions require more information than any of us possesses. The people tasked with this work are handsomely paid because it isn't easy.
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Post by fisher1fan on Sept 12, 2019 20:15:44 GMT -8
Yes, the Travel costs would be too high, but there’s a school that could work. Utah might be. Again, I don’t know. Hey we joined the Big East for a hot minute. I have season tickets to both sports. I share football with my college roommate, so he goes other games. I go to every game Basketball game I can. I might miss 0-2 a year and that was when I was living in OC. It’s a pain in the a$$ to drive 3 plus hours for a Tuesday night game against San Jose St with the late start times. Campout for BYU, road trips with family (personal fave - double OT vs Temple). If you think these schedules are good, then I’m happy for you. I suggested some bad ideas, and maybe one or two that might work. Let’s have a discussion: How would you improve the scheduling? What new thing should we try because it’s getting harder every year? Neutral site games to make money? The thing is, other teams are getting it done. Even the most informed message board poster is unlikely to know all of the individual mistakes that went into creating this schedule. Real solutions require more information than any of us possesses. The people tasked with this work are handsomely paid because it isn't easy. Great summary
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Post by sdsuballer on Sept 12, 2019 21:00:34 GMT -8
Yes, the Travel costs would be too high, but there’s a school that could work. Utah might be. Again, I don’t know. Hey we joined the Big East for a hot minute. I have season tickets to both sports. I share football with my college roommate, so he goes other games. I go to every game Basketball game I can. I might miss 0-2 a year and that was when I was living in OC. It’s a pain in the a$$ to drive 3 plus hours for a Tuesday night game against San Jose St with the late start times. Campout for BYU, road trips with family (personal fave - double OT vs Temple). If you think these schedules are good, then I’m happy for you. I suggested some bad ideas, and maybe one or two that might work. Let’s have a discussion: How would you improve the scheduling? What new thing should we try because it’s getting harder every year? Neutral site games to make money? The thing is, other teams are getting it done. Even the most informed message board poster is unlikely to know all of the individual mistakes that went into creating this schedule. Real solutions require more information than any of us possesses. The people tasked with this work are handsomely paid because it isn't easy. Agreed 100%. I personally like the conference games beginning in December as long as they are scheduled them on the weekend as oppose to a random Tuesday @8pm in February. More eye balls and attendance on Sat. If the conference was smart they would schedule conference games on Sat in December and eliminate 2 or 3 weekday games in February. But from what I hear both Dutcher and Fisher were not a big fan of scheduling Saturday games. On top of everything Dilbert puts restrictions on a few December Saturdays because he doesn't have the man power to host two events. So Matt almost has zero days to work with in December. You eliminate 10 days due to finals, the holidays, no Saturdays, and all you get is a random Tuesday or Wednesday to schedule a game.
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Post by Gundo on Sept 12, 2019 21:25:16 GMT -8
The thing is, other teams are getting it done. Even the most informed message board poster is unlikely to know all of the individual mistakes that went into creating this schedule. Real solutions require more information than any of us possesses. The people tasked with this work are handsomely paid because it isn't easy. Agreed 100%. I personally like the conference games beginning in December as long as they are scheduled them on the weekend as oppose to a random Tuesday @8pm in February. More eye balls and attendance on Sat. If the conference was smart they would schedule conference games on Sat in December and eliminate 2 or 3 weekday games in February. But from what I hear both Dutcher and Fisher were not a big fan of scheduling Saturday games. On top of everything Dilbert puts restrictions on a few December Saturdays because he doesn't have the man power to host two events. So Matt almost has zero days to work with in December. You eliminate 10 days due to finals, the holidays, no Saturdays, and all you get is a random Tuesday or Wednesday to schedule a game. December has 31 days, there are 4 games scheduled. I Agree on Finals, but tell me why Matt doesnt have any time to schedule games?
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Post by moctezumaii on Sept 13, 2019 7:11:31 GMT -8
28 games is the ncaa minimum. Accepting the minimum with the opponents on the schedule (road and home) is a failure. Option 1: add a home and home with an P5 school, starting on the road. Option 2: start early, other teams get these type of games. Option 3: buy a home game against an average school. Option 4: Use the open dates to arrange a 2 for 1 with a top program (we obviously have open games to do this). Start on the road. It’s better than nothing. Even if it is a failed home schedule, Dutcher and staff didn’t set up a stronger schedule in the next year by agreeing to do anything this year. He just took a punch to the gut without a future benefit. How do they justify the same prices with this schedule? Option 1: Are we not tired of playing AZ...AZ St...USC etc?...what's in it for them?...UCLA is not coming here...Oregon St is sorry and Stanford is not much better...nothing says we'll win...so there goes our RPI... Option 2: same as option 1; other teams are not SDSU or have our home atmosphere. Option 3: NO MONEY!! Option 4: Why should the team put itself at a disadvantage just to get a game?...why beg? You arm chair ADs have no foresight...... Option 1: Roll over on back Option 2: Wag tail Option 3: Make cute whimpering noises Option 4: Get tum-tum rubbed. Option 5: "Who's a good boy?" Yeah, a real fighter, this one.
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Post by Gundo on Sept 13, 2019 10:07:37 GMT -8
Fresno State scheduled both Oregon and CAL and are on the PAC12 Network. Looks like Hut is putting his team on the road playing agains the PAC. Got to admire Coach.
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Post by fisherville on Sept 13, 2019 10:17:26 GMT -8
This year, the University of Nevada plays Utah, USC, St. Mary’s, BYU and three or four teams from mid-majors like Davidson, Layola Marymount and Santa Clara. That’s a pretty good schedule. The reason They probably have that schedule is because for the last two or three years they have been the best team in our conference. They did well in the NCAA tournament and had a lot of player national recognition. If we want a better schedule we need to win more games. It’s just that simple. If we have a crappy schedule with crappy teams we just need to beat the snot out of all those crappy teams. Maybe the staff that was able to out recruit the Aztecs also figurrd out how to out schedule us. Which staff is that?
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