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Post by longtimebooster on Feb 10, 2019 7:18:53 GMT -8
Could someone please pull Matt Mitchell aside and get him to stop making really dumb, forced passes into traffic? Please?
He had three horrible turnovers last night. All were forced. All were attempted wrap-around passes through heavy traffic. None had any chance of making it to their intended recipient. Ugh. He's been doing this since his freshman year. Doesn't seem to have improved this facet of his game one iota. Very frustrating to watch.
And, no, he doesn't lead the team in TOs. Rather, he's tied with Hemsley, Watson and McDaniels at 3.0 TOs per 40 min. But I would argue that Mitchell has fewer touches. Plus, I would venture to say that most of Mitchell's TOs come off errant passes, while the others are likely attributed to other factors. So, yeah, it's a problem.
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Post by fisher1fan on Feb 10, 2019 7:45:05 GMT -8
Could someone please pull Matt Mitchell aside and get him to stop making really dumb, forced passes into traffic? Please? He had three horrible turnovers last night. All were forced. All were attempted wrap-around passes through heavy traffic. None had any chance of making it to their intended recipient. Ugh. He's been doing this since his freshman year. Doesn't seem to have improved this facet of his game one iota. Very frustrating to watch. And, no, he doesn't lead the team in TOs. Rather, he's tied with Hemsley, Watson and McDaniels at 3.0 TOs per 40 min. But I would argue that Mitchell has fewer touches. Plus, I would venture to say that most of Mitchell's TOs come off errant passes, while the others are likely attributed to other factors. So, yeah, it's a problem. Relax, we won. Probably our best game. Our defense was solid and Mitchell played well enough. Could he and everyone improve, sure. Save your rants for after a loss.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 10, 2019 7:59:36 GMT -8
Mitchell hustled his ass off and scored 10 points.
Yeah, there were two passes that I thought were ill advised, but he's going to learn from them (I haven't seen him make passes like that at all this season). I think he just got a little overconfident. On at least one of the passes that went out of bounds he thought the player was going to be one place, but the player went somewhere else.
He had a good game, overall. I'm not worried.
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Post by longtimebooster on Feb 10, 2019 7:59:39 GMT -8
Could someone please pull Matt Mitchell aside and get him to stop making really dumb, forced passes into traffic? Please? He had three horrible turnovers last night. All were forced. All were attempted wrap-around passes through heavy traffic. None had any chance of making it to their intended recipient. Ugh. He's been doing this since his freshman year. Doesn't seem to have improved this facet of his game one iota. Very frustrating to watch. And, no, he doesn't lead the team in TOs. Rather, he's tied with Hemsley, Watson and McDaniels at 3.0 TOs per 40 min. But I would argue that Mitchell has fewer touches. Plus, I would venture to say that most of Mitchell's TOs come off errant passes, while the others are likely attributed to other factors. So, yeah, it's a problem. Relax, we won. Probably our best game. Our defense was solid and Mitchell played well enough. Could he and everyone improve, sure. Save your rants for after a loss. Oh, please. Hardly a rant. More of a studied observation. And it's not something I just rolled out of bed this morning and got irked about. I've been discussing this logically since his first couple games on the Mesa. His poor passing game has contributed to his poor TO stats. It's clearly an achilles heel and needs to improve. No, we didn't lose the game last night because of one of his errant passes, but the game was almost certainly closer than it might have been. Further, tournament play tends to be less forgiving. Such plays can be season-ending, weather in the MGC Tourney, the NIT, or, allah willing, the NCAA Tourney.
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Post by longtimebooster on Feb 10, 2019 8:01:26 GMT -8
Mitchell hustled his ass off and scored 10 points. Yeah, there were two passes that I thought were ill advised, but he's going to learn from them (I haven't seen him make passes like that at all this season). I think he just got a little overconfident. On at least one of the passes that went out of bounds he thought the player was going to be one place, but the player went somewhere else. He had a good game, overall. I'm not worried. He had three bad passes. And they were bad, as in really, really bad. And my concern is that, no, he won't learn from them. They're the same kind of passes he was forcing right out of the gate his freshman year. Frustrating. And unacceptable at this point in his career.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 10, 2019 8:06:51 GMT -8
Mitchell hustled his ass off and scored 10 points. Yeah, there were two passes that I thought were ill advised, but he's going to learn from them (I haven't seen him make passes like that at all this season). I think he just got a little overconfident. On at least one of the passes that went out of bounds he thought the player was going to be one place, but the player went somewhere else. He had a good game, overall. I'm not worried. He had three bad passes. And they were bad, as in really, really bad. And my concern is that, no, he won't learn from them. They're the same kind of passes he was forcing right out of the gate his freshman year. Frustrating. And unacceptable at this point in his career. OK, maybe he did make some passes like that - last year - but I haven't seen any like that this year. Now, I haven't watched every game, but for all the ones that I have watched this was the first time he made passes that bad. He got caught up in the energy of the game, got cocky, tried to get cute with a couple passes, and turned the ball over. He's still VERY young and will learn from that. Don't get cocky. I only remember two egregiously bad passes, and for one of them it was a sideways, Kent Tekulve sidearm around the defender kind of thing, but his recipient went a different direction. Miscommunication and misreading what was going on. He WILL learn from that. This isn't anything to worry about unless it happens again over the next few games. I don't expect to see passes THAT bad from him again this season. But every player makes mistakes, bad passes included. Remember he's only 19 or 20 years old. He's still really young.
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Post by docmm on Feb 10, 2019 8:23:45 GMT -8
On the contrary, it IS something to worry about. He does 2 or 3 stupid things almost every game. I would see it as an inevitable part of learning if I thought he was getting better as a player. There are things I love about his game but TOs and poor rebounding aren't two of them. I found it interesting but surprising when Zeigler inferred that maybe Mitchell would transfer after this year. Maybe he sees that his game hasn't progressed also.
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Post by longtimebooster on Feb 10, 2019 8:39:10 GMT -8
Now, I haven't watched every game, but for all the ones that I have watched this was the first time he made passes that bad. He got caught up in the energy of the game, got cocky, tried to get cute with a couple passes, and turned the ball over. He's still VERY young and will learn from that. Don't get cocky. I only remember two egregiously bad passes, and for one of them it was a sideways, Kent Tekulve sidearm around the defender kind of thing, but his recipient went a different direction. Miscommunication and misreading what was going on. He WILL learn from that. This isn't anything to worry about unless it happens again over the next few games. I don't expect to see passes THAT bad from him again this season. But every player makes mistakes, bad passes included. Remember he's only 19 or 20 years old. He's still really young. You clearly haven't been paying attention. This has been a consistent bug-a-boo in his game since he's been here. He made THREE really bad passes last night. And they all had the same feature -- trying to force a pass through traffic. There was a pass in the first half that he tried to make over the top of three USU players in the key that was knocked down. There was a bounce pass he attempted in the lane in heavy traffic that was easily intercepted. And then there was the coup de grace, where he dribbled into traffic without a plan, found himself on the baseline with nowhere to go in heavy traffic. He then tries to thread a one-handed wrap-around pass to his teammate posted in the corner outside the three-point arc -- on the opposite side of the lane! And, no, the TO wasn't the result of his teammate moving out of position at the last second. The pass would've been very difficult to corral had the teammate stayed put. And the only reason the teammate took a step to his left, was because he didn't think anyone would be nutso enough to attempt a pass in that situation. It was a TO because Mitchell continues to violate the cardinal sins of passing: shorter passes are good; cross-court passes are bad; and passes in heavy traffic are worst. Further, if you don't expect to see that again, you are something other than simply an optimist.
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Post by jpaztec on Feb 10, 2019 8:47:26 GMT -8
On the contrary, it IS something to worry about. He does 2 or 3 stupid things almost every game. I would see it as an inevitable part of learning if I thought he was getting better as a player. There are things I love about his game but TOs and poor rebounding aren't two of them. I found it interesting but surprising when Zeigler inferred that maybe Mitchell would transfer after this year. Maybe he sees that his game hasn't progressed also. I just read that Ziegler article, and it was a very ambiguous statement in my opinion. I don't think Mitchell transfers, nor do I want him to, he's a very valuable and important part of the team. If there was a transfer, I could see Nolan going as a grad transfer and playing his last year someplace else. Really couldn't blame him for that, cuz he won't be getting minutes over Nate, that much is obvious.
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Post by fisher1fan on Feb 10, 2019 8:55:01 GMT -8
Now, I haven't watched every game, but for all the ones that I have watched this was the first time he made passes that bad. He got caught up in the energy of the game, got cocky, tried to get cute with a couple passes, and turned the ball over. He's still VERY young and will learn from that. Don't get cocky. I only remember two egregiously bad passes, and for one of them it was a sideways, Kent Tekulve sidearm around the defender kind of thing, but his recipient went a different direction. Miscommunication and misreading what was going on. He WILL learn from that. This isn't anything to worry about unless it happens again over the next few games. I don't expect to see passes THAT bad from him again this season. But every player makes mistakes, bad passes included. Remember he's only 19 or 20 years old. He's still really young. You clearly haven't been paying attention. This has been a consistent bug-a-boo in his game since he's been here. He made THREE really bad passes last night. And they all had the same feature -- trying to force a pass through traffic. There was a pass in the first half that he tried to make over the top of three USU players in the key that was knocked down. There was a bounce pass he attempted in the lane in heavy traffic that was easily intercepted. And then there was the coup de grace, where he dribbled into traffic without a plan, found himself on the baseline with nowhere to go in heavy traffic. He then tries to thread a one-handed wrap-around pass to his teammate posted in the corner outside the three-point arc -- on the opposite side of the lane! And, no, the TO wasn't the result of his teammate moving out of position at the last second. The pass would've been very difficult to corral had the teammate stayed put. And the only reason the teammate took a step to his left, was because he didn't think anyone would be nutso enough to attempt a pass in that situation. It was a TO because Mitchell continues to violate the cardinal sins of passing: shorter passes are good; cross-court passes are bad; and passes in heavy traffic are worst. Further, if you don't expect to see that again, you are something other than simply an optimist. Wow, not a rant? He is a good player, with room to improve. This year he has more assist than turnovers, barely, but still. The whole team is a work in progress
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Post by docmm on Feb 10, 2019 9:48:16 GMT -8
On the contrary, it IS something to worry about. He does 2 or 3 stupid things almost every game. I would see it as an inevitable part of learning if I thought he was getting better as a player. There are things I love about his game but TOs and poor rebounding aren't two of them. I found it interesting but surprising when Zeigler inferred that maybe Mitchell would transfer after this year. Maybe he sees that his game hasn't progressed also. I just read that Ziegler article, and it was a very ambiguous statement in my opinion. I don't think Mitchell transfers, nor do I want him to, he's a very valuable and important part of the team. If there was a transfer, I could see Nolan going as a grad transfer and playing his last year someplace else. Really couldn't blame him for that, cuz he won't be getting minutes over Nate, that much is obvious. Narain looks so sad all the time. I know that is probably his personality but over the past 4 years he's had such a wide array of illnesses, injuries and frustrations to get him to that place. He gets pulled almost immediately when he does go in because he makes mistakes almost as soon as he gets in there. Now that Joel Mensah is getting some of his minutes, he should transfer to somewhere he can play. I remember spending about 20 minutes with him at the JAM Center opening when he first got here and he was a very polite and engaging kid who I always rooted for. He just never seems to do the right thing for very long. It's a shame because it seemed like he had a lot of potential.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 10, 2019 10:43:36 GMT -8
I just read that Ziegler article, and it was a very ambiguous statement in my opinion. I don't think Mitchell transfers, nor do I want him to, he's a very valuable and important part of the team. If there was a transfer, I could see Nolan going as a grad transfer and playing his last year someplace else. Really couldn't blame him for that, cuz he won't be getting minutes over Nate, that much is obvious. Narain looks so sad all the time. I know that is probably his personality but over the past 4 years he's had such a wide array of illnesses, injuries and frustrations to get him to that place. He gets pulled almost immediately when he does go in because he makes mistakes almost as soon as he gets in there. Now that Joel Mensah is getting some of his minutes, he should transfer to somewhere he can play. I remember spending about 20 minutes with him at the JAM Center opening when he first got here and he was a very polite and engaging kid who I always rooted for. He just never seems to do the right thing for very long. It's a shame because it seemed like he had a lot of potential. Narain plays hard. Effort isn't an issue for him. Execution and mistakes are his issues.
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Post by sdsuballer on Feb 10, 2019 11:04:32 GMT -8
Narain looks so sad all the time. I know that is probably his personality but over the past 4 years he's had such a wide array of illnesses, injuries and frustrations to get him to that place. He gets pulled almost immediately when he does go in because he makes mistakes almost as soon as he gets in there. Now that Joel Mensah is getting some of his minutes, he should transfer to somewhere he can play. I remember spending about 20 minutes with him at the JAM Center opening when he first got here and he was a very polite and engaging kid who I always rooted for. He just never seems to do the right thing for very long. It's a shame because it seemed like he had a lot of potential. Narain plays hard. Effort isn't an issue for him. Execution and mistakes are his issues. Your right effort isnt his issue, its talent. Narain is really a lower D1 player that needs touches.. But he does self destruct by making Freshmen mistakes as a redshirt Junior. His game is exactly what Jalen Mcdaniels is with alot less talent.. He really should not be playing center. We should slowly incorporate J Nehsah as the back up center. I just feel that all of the Canadian player recruited from his class turned out to be overated. In fact we had three of them at one point and none of them panned out.
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Post by chris92065 on Feb 10, 2019 11:36:34 GMT -8
Matt Mitchell is beginning to remind of Winston Sheppard.
A guy who reduced their mistakes could have made a living in the association.
I hope he starts maturing on the basketball court becuause he could be a special player.
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Post by sdsuballer on Feb 10, 2019 11:38:32 GMT -8
As to Matt Mitchell his basketball IQ is mediocre and his youth basketball coaches failed him as a basketball player. I have been saying all season long that Matt Mitchell is turnover machine and most of his mistakes are youth level mistakes. When passing the ball from the perimeter you cant pass it through the lane especially when there are multiple big guys with their hands up. #2 When dribbling the ball up the court you need to make the adjustment to dribbling down the middle of the court. Most of the time he is dribbling down the sideline and he either gets trapped or the ball gets poked away. #3 When the other team goes on a 10-0 run on us jaking up an ill advised 3 is not recommended. He has been doing this the entire season. What he should be doing is attacking the rim for an easy layup or posting up his smaller defender. #4 when posting up on the low post you need to post up higher up the line to give yourself the option of spinning baseline or making an easy hook shoot.. What ends up happening with him is he post ups to low so when he drop steps he ends up behind the backboard causing him to be trapped by the baseline, defender, and the backboard.
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Post by junior on Feb 10, 2019 11:49:46 GMT -8
Mitchell may have scored 10 last night, but Ive watched him have much better games… hopefully last night's more frequent than usual moments of confusion were just an anomaly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 12:01:43 GMT -8
On the contrary, it IS something to worry about. He does 2 or 3 stupid things almost every game. I would see it as an inevitable part of learning if I thought he was getting better as a player. There are things I love about his game but TOs and poor rebounding aren't two of them. I found it interesting but surprising when Zeigler inferred that maybe Mitchell would transfer after this year. Maybe he sees that his game hasn't progressed also. Who sees? I really don’t understand this comment at all. Are you saying that Mitchell, a player who has started since he landed at SDSU, may have decided to transfer to another school because he doesn’t feel that he’s good enough to remain an Aztec? Are you saying that Mitchell has made this decision because he feels that his development has been hampered by the same coaches that let him play until foul trouble forces him to the bench? Or, are you stating that Zeigler has observed Matt’s lack of progress and is lobbying for Matt to leave? This makes no sense. Matt has been in the starting lineup from the word “go.” He’s been in that position because there is no one better on the roster. Looking at incoming recruits, that situation doesn’t appear to be changing. Do you instead think that Zeigler has observed Matt’s deficiencies and has surmised that the coaching staff will force him out so that his scholarship can be given to a more productive player? This staff isn’t landing high quality recruits. This staff hasn’t been able to land enough players to use it’s allotment of scholarships. It appears very likely that we have open scholarships next year even when Matt stays. Why would the coaches want to get rid of Matt, again a starter, and not replace him at all? If Matt Mitchell were to transfer it would be his decision, period. The only reasons that he would leave is to play for a better team or to play a different role. He’s back to playing the three, it would appear that “role” is no longer an issue. A Jordan Schakel decision to transfer would likely be based on the same criteria.
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Post by cmonaztecs on Feb 10, 2019 12:27:35 GMT -8
Matt kept us in the game while we were losing momentum, and that thunderous put back ending in his chest thumping brought the crowd to our feet, certainly not going to criticize him now. I think there's a fine line in coaching between messing with a players agressiveness and messing with team chemistry. I saw that last week when I was miffed that Dutch didn't take Devin out after his meltdown in NM. Look at his clutch performance last night.....I'll keep my mouth shut from now on.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 10, 2019 12:36:10 GMT -8
Matt likes to pass too much and likes too shoot the 3 too much. He needs to keep taking th ball into the paint and either shooting the rock or passing it out for a three.
He makes the team dangerous as hell when He does that.
The offensive fouls he was taking in the beginning of the year really made him passive and discouraged him from playing to his strengths.
JMO.
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Post by AztecBill on Feb 10, 2019 14:55:08 GMT -8
Matt made a beautiful alley-oop to Mensa who made the basket and got a plus one. Matt has more assists than turnovers. He is a good passer.
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