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Post by aztecgold on May 3, 2017 11:58:13 GMT -8
Aztecs won with defense and rebounding, especially offensive rebounding. They have been out rebounded the last years and the offense is still not good so they are not getting it done.
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2017 12:59:31 GMT -8
key for 2017 is being able to add a physical guy that wants to play near the basket .
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Post by Gundo on May 7, 2017 23:27:36 GMT -8
2017 dried up awhile back, we need to sign a grad transfer over 6'7" or a Juco player.
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Post by standiego on May 8, 2017 7:10:50 GMT -8
Best options for Grad Transfers: Rooks , Akoy Agua , Mikyle McIntosh (waiting NBA results) , Walter Foster , Hans Brase , Darien Williams ...... unfortunately moving fast off the board
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Post by jibron on May 9, 2017 8:15:32 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 8:38:11 GMT -8
At this point, I'd be surprised if we signed anybody beyond an inflatable wacky tube man
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Post by standiego on May 9, 2017 9:29:24 GMT -8
Did Dutcher say on the radio Monday that there were recruits/transfers coming in this week and next ? Need physical guy inside to help with Nolan . Only takes ONE quality guy .
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Post by Gundo on May 10, 2017 9:34:28 GMT -8
This puts recruiting work into perspective. A lot of work for a small (big) return.
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Post by standiego on May 10, 2017 9:54:48 GMT -8
no doubt very difficult part of coaching is being able to recruit . Coaches are not going to win games with X's and O's if they do not have quality players at the right positions. We have 2017 season coming up , for a while there has been the known need for a guy that plays the 5 . So would seem that narrows the list and means zeroing in on the grad transfers , JC guys and HS guys that have not committed . Not much time now , as they get taken by other schools ,so hope that getting some in here would be a paramount things for the coaches , not in the next few weeks . Other schools have been making their move
Only takes 1 quality 5 to make the 2017 squad very competitive.
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Post by sdcoug on May 10, 2017 11:13:00 GMT -8
no doubt very difficult part of coaching is being able to recruit . Coaches are not going to win games with X's and O's if they do not have quality players at the right positions. We have 2017 season coming up , for a while there has been the known need for a guy that plays the 5 . So would seem that narrows the list and means zeroing in on the grad transfers , JC guys and HS guys that have not committed . Not much time now , as they get taken by other schools ,so hope that getting some in here would be a paramount things for the coaches , not in the next few weeks . Other schools have been making their move Only takes 1 quality 5 to make the 2017 squad very competitive. Things will play out over the next 3-4 weeks, with whether players are staying/pulling out of the draft still being a factor. Lots of movement until you get into June when things start to slow down after the school year ends. New names appear weekly, but the coaches have been monitoring the grad transfer websites for months. Patience. We didn't get Watson until around this time last year; same with Max. Teki not until August. Still a few Plan A's, B's & even C's out there. We're just seeking a back-up big - 15 minutes a game type of guy, plus maybe 1 other true transfer or HS recruit. I'd think we'd hold 1 open for a mid-year transfer possibility. We'll be "very competitive" as is. A good G-T will make us deeper and more solid, but it's not make or break. BTW, is your horse glue yet?
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Post by standiego on May 10, 2017 11:42:25 GMT -8
As of today Nolan is our main guy at the 5 . I like Nolan but not sure of his production ,if he is strong then we are in great shape if he is number 1 or 2 there or even time at the 4 . We have a strong need for a quality guy that can play near the basket . Most of the higher quality guys have been signed . There are some quality guys still remaining - they are not going to last - so why not move on that quickly before they are gone ? Why settle for a back up if better guys could be available ? What additional guys of their quality do you think will suddenly appear at this late stage ? So wait 3 to 4 weeks - why? . McIntosh would be in conversation and hold a scholarship if he says he has interest . But Agau and Walter Foster are looking now . Rooks is checking out 9 schools .
I am saying sign 1 now if possible - even that is not as easy as you may suggest .
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Post by sdcoug on May 10, 2017 12:41:08 GMT -8
As of today Nolan is our main guy at the 5 . I like Nolan but not sure of his production ,if he is strong then we are in great shape if he is number 1 or 2 there or even time at the 4 . We have a strong need for a quality guy that can play near the basket . Most of the higher quality guys have been signed . There are some quality guys still remaining - they are not going to last - so why not move on that quickly before they are gone ? Why settle for a back up if better guys could be available ? What additional guys of their quality do you think will suddenly appear at this late stage ? So wait 3 to 4 weeks - why? . McIntosh would be in conversation and hold a scholarship if he says he has interest . But Agau and Walter Foster are looking now . Rooks is checking out 9 schools . I am saying sign 1 now if possible - even that is not as easy as you may suggest . Seriously? Do you think we're telling them WE'RE not ready to decide yet so hold on, or do you think it's more likely we've expressed interest, offered, and THEY'RE still waiting to make a decision? At least for our primary targets. It's not like we're just saying "you know, let's just wait a month before we decide who we want & if they're still available, great". And who said we're "settling"? Nolan will most likely start over virtually all the players out there, including Hamdy when he was available, so we are looking for someone who will split time & will be OK as a back-up. We had an offer out to Hamdy & he went elsewhere; Rooks & others are still weighing their options (& maybe focusing on school). Agau JUST decided to transfer, so if we're actually are a place he'd consider (although he's a Nebraska east type of guy thus far so don't see the connection) we'd have shot ourselves in the foot if we'd follow your advice to SIGN SOMEONE NOW a couple weeks ago! Hell, someone even suggested signing Atewe a while ago which would NOT be the way to go if they actually watched him play. I could care less about Foster, but if we could have Rooks would you still want Foster? If yes, why jump all over Foster now if Rooks isn't ready to make a decision? Especially if your talks have been positive. Let it all play itself out. Who knows, maybe we're going to go REALLY big & Bhullar will come here (although I really doubt it!). Panicking is NOT the way to recruit. "NOW" is not always best. Give your primary targets time to decide. If we're still having this conversation in July then have your concerns.
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Post by standiego on May 10, 2017 18:49:44 GMT -8
would say Coaches made valiant effort to start recruiting: Ahmed ( lost to TCU ) Wooten ( lost to the Ducks ) Jeter ( still looking at numerous PAC Schools and Zags - but can not play until 2018 ). But so far we are 0-2 and 1 undecided with long odds . Admit it or not we do not have the easiest time signing guys that play the 5 lately .
You have the opinion let's see how things play out in the next 3 or 4 weeks or June as things slow down but do not get worried until July . July ? You add new names pop up weekly . The list does not keep increasing there are only so many Grad transfers . Yes Akoy Agau made his decision May 2 about a week a go .He will have 2 years to play and would hope we are really making every effort to have him visit but nothing in the wind and visits do get noted . I say we need to be aggressive in recruitment you say I am panicking . Read some of the posts in this and a wide variety of other posts on what many think our chances are of signing a quality 5
You suggest we have a plan A , B , C with" primary targetS" who are they for A, B, C ....
In your opinion we only need a back up guy to play 15 minutes . Maybe Agua or Foster could be that guy or better? . are saying that we tried with both but were told no thank you or they are not good enough or ..... .? I like Nolan but think solid guy down low is a need.
Sounds as if you say Rooks is the guy - and we wait for him to decide - but then remember that the Zags see him as a prime target also ,plus 7 others . So is the plan wait until he makes a decision ? Hope that others will still be there if we are not chosen by him? or go to plan C or D ?
I hope that we are able to get a quality 5 , do not think we have the leverage you may believe we have , so if we could get Agau-very good 4.5 points and 4.3 rebounds at G-Town.or Foster - 6'8" 20 minutes, 5.6 points and 4.9 boards at Townsend would not be that bad as the back up guy
Also of course would be really trying to connect with Mikyle McIntosh - connection start with from Canada . or ..... our coach Fisher was also at Ill State '
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Post by sdcoug on May 11, 2017 9:12:28 GMT -8
would say Coaches made valiant effort to start recruiting: Ahmed ( lost to TCU ) Wooten ( lost to the Ducks ) Jeter ( still looking at numerous PAC Schools and Zags - but can not play until 2018 ). But so far we are 0-2 and 1 undecided with long odds . Admit it or not we do not have the easiest time signing guys that play the 5 lately . You have the opinion let's see how things play out in the next 3 or 4 weeks or June as things slow down but do not get worried until July . July ? You add new names pop up weekly . The list does not keep increasing there are only so many Grad transfers . Yes Akoy Agau made his decision May 2 about a week a go .He will have 2 years to play and would hope we are really making every effort to have him visit but nothing in the wind and visits do get noted . I say we need to be aggressive in recruitment you say I am panicking . Read some of the posts in this and a wide variety of other posts on what many think our chances are of signing a quality 5 You suggest we have a plan A , B , C with" primary targetS" who are they for A, B, C .... In your opinion we only need a back up guy to play 15 minutes . Maybe Agua or Foster could be that guy or better? . are saying that we tried with both but were told no thank you or they are not good enough or ..... .? I like Nolan but think solid guy down low is a need. Sounds as if you say Rooks is the guy - and we wait for him to decide - but then remember that the Zags see him as a prime target also ,plus 7 others . So is the plan wait until he makes a decision ? Hope that others will still be there if we are not chosen by him? or go to plan C or D ? I hope that we are able to get a quality 5 , do not think we have the leverage you may believe we have , so if we could get Agau-very good 4.5 points and 4.3 rebounds at G-Town.or Foster - 6'8" 20 minutes, 5.6 points and 4.9 boards at Townsend would not be that bad as the back up guy Also of course would be really trying to connect with Mikyle McIntosh - connection start with from Canada . or ..... our coach Fisher was also at Ill State ' You overthink things way too much. First, not all visits are reported, nor are all contacts. Not even close. Second, you have absolutely ZERO clue as to who we have/haven't reached out to, and what our level of interest is in each player. Third, yes, new people come on the scene weekly. The kid at Oregon St being another example, and more will be available that you haven't heard of between now & July. Fourth, you want to player who's the best fit for your program. Right now you/I have no clue if that's Rooks or someone else, but the coaches do. None of these guys are being told "make your decision today or the offer is off the table". Some of them are told we're waiting on Player X to decide, but if he goes elsewhere we'd love to have you, and that's normal at all programs. If the Plan B/C guy wants to play at SDSU, then he'll hold off. If he'd rather play at another program then he probably didn't want to be an Aztec to begin with, because he's not making the decision based on timing. Nobody HAS to know where they're playing next year until July/August. There are plenty of open scholarships. If players were sold on ANY program they'd have committed yesterday. They're still weighing ALL OPTIONS, including SDSU. Our coaching staff has reached out to everyone they believe is a good fit. Don't think you have some knowledge about possible options they haven't considered. You don't. We've had the conference defensive player of the year as a 5 for years, and were able to pull in Izundu last year to step in for him. We've had a 4-star "5" on our roster the past 2 years, and yes, Narain is a "5" not a "4". Just ask him. I did. We haven't landed any new "5", but it doesn't mean we're incapable. We're seeking a back-up 5; there are options on the table. Patience. Wait until July before freaking out.
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Post by standiego on May 11, 2017 13:32:27 GMT -8
IMO there is a need for a quality guy that wants to play near the basket at the 5 position- also think there are numerous other people that feel the same . Do I have the inside information that you have No . I said Coaches tried for Ahmed and Wooten and could not sign them . Jeter is shopping numerous PAC schools , Zags and others . All three visits were posted . seems recruits do put it out there . Same thing with information about McCoy . The transfer guard from Utah said he was visiting and it hits the news very quickly .
I do feel it is important to try to get the best guy at the position out there . Do feel that Agau ( who would have 2 years to play) would be very helpful. Has schools interested . McIntosh is trying to get evaluation from NBA , others schools have contacted him , have we for either ? Walter Foster - is a decent player - you say no . We disagree . There are not an unlimited amount of quality grad 5 's out there , they do try to secure a school that really wants them and do have the leverage . Are you suggesting that Rooks is the guy the coaches want and we are telling those other guys no need to bother coming here for a visit until our first choice makes a decision ? Yes coaches do see film on guys but wouldn't it help getting a recruit here in person to see how they fit with the team and the staff ?
I believe we have had a problem Signing quality guys that play the 5 . you do not . Would enjoy hearing from others on their opinion . Skylar was a fantastic defensive 5 . I hope Nolan does develop into a quality 5 - he has good offensive potential . but a physical guy to compliment, could really help him and the team and is needed . If we were able to sign quality 5's so easily then I would not be as concerned . To me prefer to see and hear about the visits now is May rather then July or August - when it would be panic time ,
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Post by sdcoug on May 11, 2017 14:15:41 GMT -8
IMO there is a need for a quality guy that wants to play near the basket at the 5 position- also think there are numerous other people that feel the same . Do I have the inside information that you have No . I said Coaches tried for Ahmed and Wooten and could not sign them . Jeter is shopping numerous PAC schools , Zags and others . All three visits were posted . seems recruits do put it out there . Same thing with information about McCoy . The transfer guard from Utah said he was visiting and it hits the news very quickly . I do feel it is important to try to get the best guy at the position out there . Do feel that Agau ( who would have 2 years to play) would be very helpful. Has schools interested . McIntosh is trying to get evaluation from NBA , others schools have contacted him , have we for either ? Walter Foster - is a decent player - you say no . We disagree . There are not an unlimited amount of quality grad 5 's out there , they do try to secure a school that really wants them and do have the leverage . Are you suggesting that Rooks is the guy the coaches want and we are telling those other guys no need to bother coming here for a visit until our first choice makes a decision ? Yes coaches do see film on guys but wouldn't it help getting a recruit here in person to see how they fit with the team and the staff ? I believe we have had a problem Signing quality guys that play the 5 . you do not . Would enjoy hearing from others on their opinion . Skylar was a fantastic defensive 5 . I hope Nolan does develop into a quality 5 - he has good offensive potential . but a physical guy to compliment, could really help him and the team and is needed . If we were able to sign quality 5's so easily then I would not be as concerned . To me prefer to see and hear about the visits now is May rather then July or August - when it would be panic time , LOL. Jeter & McCoy were 5 stars who love the limelight. Of course they're going to have their people put that kind of news out there. I'm sure Agau would be a good addition, but he's a guy from the midwest & played out east. What makes you think he'd want to go west? There are several other guys with west coast ties who I think may be more realistic. I also have NEVER said we do not have a problem finding quality guys who can play the 5. MOST TEAMS have problems finding a quality guy to play the 5 - just look around the conference for proof. I also said we had a the DPoY in the MWC at center for a few years, and when the size of the market (centers) isn't big to begin with getting a kid who knows he'll sit the bench until Sky leaves complicates things. I also know that the game is heading more towards a "3/stretch 4 type of game", where you'll see more guys like Pope, Narain & Max as your 4's/5's & fewer Skylars & Izundu's. Draymond Green playing the 4/5 in the NBA is a prime example. Everyone agrees a good, solid post to assist/back up Nolan would be GREAT for the team. Not everyone is freaking out about it. No, I'm not suggesting Rooks IS the guy; I said we have NO CLUE who the staff is targeting, and we won't. THEY can't say anything. He's a possibility though, and if I'm the coach & I'm getting a good vibe from him, I'm holding out until he decides while telling others we're still very interested. I have no doubt the coaching staff is looking at several Plan A's, B's & C's. If you're so concerned about visits in May then maybe you should park outside Dutch's place & stalk everyone who comes over there over the next few weeks, and then hack their laptops & phones & seek out every phone call, email & text. Be our paparazzi. In lieu of that, maybe just chill? Losing Hamby was news; right now, there isn't much of it, so until there is trust the staff to do all they can for the program while realizing that freaking out about it does absolutely nothing. Nor does posting "we need a quality 5.." 500 times a week. BTW, love this line: "I do feel it is important to try to get the best guy at the position out there." No sh#@! Show me one coach in the history of the game who isn't trying to get the best guy they can.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 14:21:27 GMT -8
Post players are hard to find and harder still for us to land. Draymond is an NBA all star. Smaller players capable of playing the role of a big are possibly more rare than an actual big. We don't need a guy who wants to play near the basket. We need a guy capable of playing near the basket. These posts and arguments are likely irrelevant as I'd be surprised if we added anybody else to the coming class.
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Post by standiego on May 12, 2017 9:12:39 GMT -8
I do think it is possible to still get a quality 5 -( have never said it has to be a 7 ft player , but some one physical that can produce down low near the basket - some one we currently do not have on the roster .) Do I know what the coaches have been doing No . Do I repeat the need , Yes , you can ignore if you choose , or ....
We do have problems signing guys that can play the 5 so we do need to work harder and maybe earlier( May) rather then later(July) on getting that player . As a concerned season ticket holder,I do bring it up as I see it as the missing piece of the puzzle that coaches need to solve in order for us to be a MM team . Competing in MW is great but ,I feel MM is a goal and to me we need the physical guy down low . Coaches did try early , did not score a 5 , so need to work now to do it . Would guess they are trying but very important to get the job done . Have no clue if Rooks is the focus or what they are being told . Zags are tough competition .
So do feel that if they can get a commitment from Agua would be great or at least a visit -here or there. Connection is lean but ,he was born in Sudan as a I believe Angelo Chol was( would he add a positive point or two about SDSD ? ) .Believe family Moved to Omaha in 2002 , but then went to Louisville and then to G-Town for schools. So he has moved around . Maybe he might be convinced to as least come take a look out here . To me worth the effort and maybe we have - but work it until he signs else where . Big Connection we have opening for guy down low .
McIntosh - is waiting for NBA opinion to come back . Is from Canada ( we have two players ) and played at Ill State ( Steve Fisher connection ) and Brian C was from the area. Believe other schools have been in contact and do not know where or if we are involved ? But news usually gets out .
I also feel Walter Foster could be an option that can contribute . not sure other then Rooks who are the West Coast options . ? Center from OSU and NMSU
Ahmed 's visit was well published ,same with Jeter , Wooten , the guard visiting from Utah , all names in the news ,
I do not think it is a lost cause here at SDSU or over the cliff , do think if we are able to add physical guy down low could be a difference maker for the team 's chances for a MM run .To me chances are better to sign a quality guy down low are better sooner then during the summer .
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Post by sdcoug on May 12, 2017 10:22:02 GMT -8
I do think it is possible to still get a quality 5 -( have never said it has to be a 7 ft player , but some one physical that can produce down low near the basket - some one we currently do not have on the roster .) Do I know what the coaches have been doing No . Do I repeat the need , Yes , you can ignore if you choose , or .... We do have problems signing guys that can play the 5 so we do need to work harder and maybe earlier( May) rather then later(July) on getting that player . As a concerned season ticket holder,I do bring it up as I see it as the missing piece of the puzzle that coaches need to solve in order for us to be a MM team . Competing in MW is great but ,I feel MM is a goal and to me we need the physical guy down low . Coaches did try early , did not score a 5 , so need to work now to do it . Would guess they are trying but very important to get the job done . Have no clue if Rooks is the focus or what they are being told . Zags are tough competition . So do feel that if they can get a commitment from Agua would be great or at least a visit -here or there. Connection is lean but ,he was born in Sudan as a I believe Angelo Chol was( would he add a positive point or two about SDSD ? ) .Believe family Moved to Omaha in 2002 , but then went to Louisville and then to G-Town for schools. So he has moved around . Maybe he might be convinced to as least come take a look out here . To me worth the effort and maybe we have - but work it until he signs else where . Big Connection we have opening for guy down low . McIntosh - is waiting for NBA opinion to come back . Is from Canada ( we have two players ) and played at Ill State ( Steve Fisher connection ) and Brian C was from the area. Believe other schools have been in contact and do not know where or if we are involved ? But news usually gets out . I also feel Walter Foster could be an option that can contribute . not sure other then Rooks who are the West Coast options . ? Center from OSU and NMSU Ahmed 's visit was well published ,same with Jeter , Wooten , the guard visiting from Utah , all names in the news , I do not think it is a lost cause here at SDSU or over the cliff , do think if we are able to add physical guy down low could be a difference maker for the team 's chances for a MM run .To me chances are better to sign a quality guy down low are better sooner then during the summer . Again, do you actually believe the coaching staff isn't working hard to bring a good, solid 5 to SDSU? It's laughable to say they need to work harder. Jezuz, that's just a pathetic statement. You have NO CLUE who they are talking to and/or how long they have been talking to them. NONE. They are working their asses off, hosting players weekly and have been on the road evaluating 2018 recruits as well. They're doing all they can to bring someone here. THEY have a significantly greater understanding of who's available, the players interest in SDSU & who is & isn't a good fit than you (or any of us) do. Whether they sign them in May, June, July or August is UP TO THE PLAYER, not the staff. You NEVER settle for a 3rd tier recruit when you still have a legitimate chance at Plan A & B. EVER. That's recruiting 101 - anybody with a clue understands that. You NEVER sign someone because they're willing to sign today when you're also connected to someone better who's looking to decide in 2-4 weeks. EVER. You don't start passing on players until they say no or you get a bad vibe. Your endless criticism of the staff & calling them lazy is pathetic. You're not saying anything about recruiting they haven't know for 20+ years. If you want to speculate about who's out there & who'd be great that's fun & relevant, but to imply they need to "do more" and/or we need to sign someone NOW only shows you know very little about recruiting.
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Post by hoobs on May 12, 2017 12:18:02 GMT -8
A-f*cking-men
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