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Post by northcountymike on Apr 27, 2016 11:56:20 GMT -8
An interesting thought, but I'll believe it when I see it. If they do limit cars and/or parking (or it comes at a premium, like everywhere else on campus), the overflow would be to the surrounding businesses. I wish the students would see how much easier the trolley and/or bus is, but I'm just a bit skeptical that freshman girls are going to want to walk a little further or use a hot, crowded trolley or bus that might make their makeup run and their hair go flat. If you've been to a school in SoCal, you see how they get "dressed up" for class . Like anything the kinks will get worked out in the parking management plan. Considering I am an Alumnus of SDSU I did indeed attend school in SoCal and I remember vividly how the girls dressed. Let's hope the kinks to get worked out. And yes, let us not forget the reasons why we were able to make it to classes on 3 hours of sleep...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:27:11 GMT -8
I am sure you have done your research and all but I'd be willing to bet that a majority of first year students who live on campus do not have cars. I'd guess if the trolley is convenient the students will take it for many reasons (ever heard of Uber? why do you suppose most folks use that service?) Ok, I concede that maybe a lot of first-year students don't have cars. I never said a majority of them have cars, but a lot of them do, and I'm sure you've done your research too. Uber is not public transportation, sorry. Why do most folks use that service? Because they're drunk at 2 AM and at least some of them have the smarts to call someone rather than jump in their car. Exactly my point! =) Football and drinking go together, no? =)
My research is entirely unscientific, btw... but I'd still bet I am correct on the first year student thing.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 27, 2016 12:44:21 GMT -8
I don't think I've ever read a post of yours that put a positive spin on anything Perhaps not, I suppose. But, as long as there are posters who say/claim things that may not be true, I'll stick up for the rest of us that disagree. Have you ever been to State? Actually, have you ever been to a college in Southern California? Tons of these students have new cars their parents just bought 'em. Tons of 'em also have the old family station wagon. Does that mean all of 'em do? Nope. But, it also doesn't mean that they take public transportation. It's a SoCal thing; very few people take public transportation here. If you haven't seen it, you must be new. I graduated from SDSU about 3 years ago so yes, I've been there a few times. There isn't good public transportation that has trolleys going from a kid's house to his school. If there were, I would find it hard to believe people wouldn't use it, especially when the alternative is to sit in traffic and then hunt for a parking spot for 45 minutes and have to shell out almost 200$ a semester for a parking pass. It's pretty obvious that it's much more convenient to use a trolley if the station leaves from right outside where you live and takes you right onto campus, but you can continue to play devil's advocate
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:47:29 GMT -8
Perhaps not, I suppose. But, as long as there are posters who say/claim things that may not be true, I'll stick up for the rest of us that disagree. Have you ever been to State? Actually, have you ever been to a college in Southern California? Tons of these students have new cars their parents just bought 'em. Tons of 'em also have the old family station wagon. Does that mean all of 'em do? Nope. But, it also doesn't mean that they take public transportation. It's a SoCal thing; very few people take public transportation here. If you haven't seen it, you must be new. I graduated from SDSU about 3 years ago so yes, I've been there a few times. There isn't good public transportation that has trolleys going from a kid's house to his school. If there were, I would find it hard to believe people wouldn't use it, especially when the alternative is to sit in traffic and then hunt for a parking spot for 45 minutes and have to shell out almost 200$ a semester for a parking pass. It's pretty obvious that it's much more convenient to use a trolley if the station leaves from right outside where you live and takes you right onto campus, but you can continue to play devil's advocate I walked in 07', not long after the on campus trolley stop was completed...and I agree, students are more open to it than some seem to think. But when you have a lot of older posters there tends to be an exaggerated view of how lazy/dumb/insertadjectivehere they say current students are...nothing new.
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Post by northcountymike on Apr 27, 2016 13:18:54 GMT -8
Ok, I concede that maybe a lot of first-year students don't have cars. I never said a majority of them have cars, but a lot of them do, and I'm sure you've done your research too. Uber is not public transportation, sorry. Why do most folks use that service? Because they're drunk at 2 AM and at least some of them have the smarts to call someone rather than jump in their car. Exactly my point! =) Football and drinking go together, no? =)
My research is entirely unscientific, btw... but I'd still bet I am correct on the first year student thing.
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And that's cool - but the topic was public transportation, of which Uber is not . Truth and justice might be one thing, the American way, another .
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Post by northcountymike on Apr 27, 2016 13:27:12 GMT -8
Perhaps not, I suppose. But, as long as there are posters who say/claim things that may not be true, I'll stick up for the rest of us that disagree. Have you ever been to State? Actually, have you ever been to a college in Southern California? Tons of these students have new cars their parents just bought 'em. Tons of 'em also have the old family station wagon. Does that mean all of 'em do? Nope. But, it also doesn't mean that they take public transportation. It's a SoCal thing; very few people take public transportation here. If you haven't seen it, you must be new. I graduated from SDSU about 3 years ago so yes, I've been there a few times. There isn't good public transportation that has trolleys going from a kid's house to his school. If there were, I would find it hard to believe people wouldn't use it, especially when the alternative is to sit in traffic and then hunt for a parking spot for 45 minutes and have to shell out almost 200$ a semester for a parking pass. It's pretty obvious that it's much more convenient to use a trolley if the station leaves from right outside where you live and takes you right onto campus, but you can continue to play devil's advocateThere isn't good transportation with trolleys going from a kid's house to his school? The same could be said across the U.S., especially in most large cities, yet people looking to avoid parking fiascos (or penny-pinchers, environmentally-conscious folk, or anyone without a car), still find a way to use public transportation. Just not here. No place offers trolleys or buses going from a kid's house to a school; this isn't small-town America and elementary school, here. I'll believe it when I see it about a trolley leaving "right outside where you live and takes you right onto campus." All I'm saying is that we have at least some sort of public transportation in SD now and kids don't prefer to use it, no matter how "smart" it is. It's just a sign of the times and a SoCal thing, that's all. We're older adults so we see things differently now....but come on, when you were a kid, I'm sure you probably wouldn't be caught dead on a bus either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 13:38:54 GMT -8
I graduated from SDSU about 3 years ago so yes, I've been there a few times. There isn't good public transportation that has trolleys going from a kid's house to his school. If there were, I would find it hard to believe people wouldn't use it, especially when the alternative is to sit in traffic and then hunt for a parking spot for 45 minutes and have to shell out almost 200$ a semester for a parking pass. It's pretty obvious that it's much more convenient to use a trolley if the station leaves from right outside where you live and takes you right onto campus, but you can continue to play devil's advocateThere isn't good transportation with trolleys going from a kid's house to his school? The same could be said across the U.S., especially in most large cities, yet people looking to avoid parking fiascos (or penny-pinchers, environmentally-conscious folk, or anyone without a car), still find a way to use public transportation. Just not here. No place offers trolleys or buses going from a kid's house to a school; this isn't small-town America and elementary school, here. I'll believe it when I see it about a trolley leaving "right outside where you live and takes you right onto campus." All I'm saying is that we have at least some sort of public transportation in SD now and kids don't prefer to use it, no matter how "smart" it is. It's just a sign of the times and a SoCal thing, that's all. We're older adults so we see things differently now....but come on, when you were a kid, I'm sure you probably wouldn't be caught dead on a bus either. I don't understand. If new student housing is provided right by the existing trolley stop at the Q site, wouldn't that kind of fit that description? I mean are we literally talking front curb or 5 min walk? Because it looks like a lot of housing will be darn close to that stop in MV.
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Post by northcountymike on Apr 27, 2016 15:29:15 GMT -8
There isn't good transportation with trolleys going from a kid's house to his school? The same could be said across the U.S., especially in most large cities, yet people looking to avoid parking fiascos (or penny-pinchers, environmentally-conscious folk, or anyone without a car), still find a way to use public transportation. Just not here. No place offers trolleys or buses going from a kid's house to a school; this isn't small-town America and elementary school, here. I'll believe it when I see it about a trolley leaving "right outside where you live and takes you right onto campus." All I'm saying is that we have at least some sort of public transportation in SD now and kids don't prefer to use it, no matter how "smart" it is. It's just a sign of the times and a SoCal thing, that's all. We're older adults so we see things differently now....but come on, when you were a kid, I'm sure you probably wouldn't be caught dead on a bus either. I don't understand. If new student housing is provided right by the existing trolley stop at the Q site, wouldn't that kind of fit that description? I mean are we literally talking front curb or 5 min walk? Because it looks like a lot of housing will be darn close to that stop in MV. Which would be cool and I'm all for. All I said was "I'll believe it when I see it."
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 27, 2016 18:19:42 GMT -8
And it would be full of SDSU students going to and from. Disagree; students would be driving new cars that their parents bought for 'em. Let's be real here...this is Southern California. No matter how much we try, we just can't seem to grasp public transit. Your wrong here. My daughter had SDSU on her final list and we visited, the folks told us less than half the freshman have a car and that the number goes down each year.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 27, 2016 18:23:15 GMT -8
I know I'm only representing a small sample size (myself). But if it were dictated to me that I had to live on campus as a frosh, and take a trolley to school (and furthermore were discouraged from using my car at all) there is a strong chance I would not have come to state. Whether or not we think of them as such, college freshman are still adults. The school shouldn't force them to live under its control just to attend classes. Just because you are a student at SDSU doesn't mean your whole life revolves around the campus and people there. I would be strongly against this plan if it mandated freshman to live on campus. I don't disagree with you, but what you just said is pretty normal across the eastern part of the country.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 27, 2016 18:26:21 GMT -8
Has anyone involved in the project stated that or is that your assumption? Just a guess. IMO it seems realistic due to the fact SDSU has a statutory obligation to house all freshman on campus. They can't do that currently and freshman are the only students SDSU can mandate to live on campus in a location the university identifies. And they can set up West as the Biotech area and mandate all incoming freshman with science and tech majors live at West amd all other Freshman live on the Mesa, or the opposite,.etc.
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Post by uncledougy on Apr 27, 2016 18:34:09 GMT -8
Completely disregarding the trolley is an oversight but the fact is the trolley blows. It is painfully slow and full of legitimately crazy people. I can imagine people hating it for daily commute. Two things I want to see before I die: An American on Mars and the trolley going twice as fast. In order of travel preference I'd have to say it goes: Driving > walking > crawling > being dragged by your hair > hitchhiking > falling off a ledge > taking the trolley You would rather be dragged by your hair than hitchhiking??
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Post by uncledougy on Apr 27, 2016 18:38:07 GMT -8
If the Q site was a park, would those visitors take the trolley?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 21:12:53 GMT -8
Exactly my point! =) Football and drinking go together, no? =)
My research is entirely unscientific, btw... but I'd still bet I am correct on the first year student thing.
Remember I stand for truth, justice, and the American way. That is all.
And that's cool - but the topic was public transportation, of which Uber is not . Truth and justice might be one thing, the American way, another . I hate to disagree with you (again) but the topic was will they use the trolley?... you made it a public vs. private issue... my point is if drunk better not to drive so if the trolley is available they'll happily use that... they are not going to make a distinction between public and private in this instance (not to mention the trolley is cheaper)... that is all.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 28, 2016 0:13:38 GMT -8
If you live one place (on campus) and have classes at the other, the trolley would be used. It is simple and quick which driving is not. If there are stupid people that would still drive in that situation, it doesn't make the plan a bad one...it just means there are stupid people. Having a walkway isn't a stupid plan because there might be people who would chose to crawl. Maybe they should install a zip line to the new site. That would be cool.
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Post by northcountymike on Apr 28, 2016 1:02:30 GMT -8
Disagree; students would be driving new cars that their parents bought for 'em. Let's be real here...this is Southern California. No matter how much we try, we just can't seem to grasp public transit. Your wrong here. My daughter had SDSU on her final list and we visited, the folks told us less than half the freshman have a car and that the number goes down each year. You're. Freshmen. Also, that's cool that some "folks" told you that stat, but please, be more specific. "Folks" could be university officials or they could be random passersby.
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Post by fowl on Apr 28, 2016 9:58:08 GMT -8
By the time this thing ever gets completed we will have autonomous buses/vans that could run between the two places. The school could buy a fleet of those and run them non-stop 24 hours a day such that one would arrive every couple of minutes at multiple stops within and around both areas. That is just one possible alternative to a reliance on the trolley. Plus it would be far cheaper than trying to build and run a separate trolley line between the two locations.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 28, 2016 10:50:20 GMT -8
Your wrong here. My daughter had SDSU on her final list and we visited, the folks told us less than half the freshman have a car and that the number goes down each year. You're. Freshmen. Also, that's cool that some "folks" told you that stat, but please, be more specific. "Folks" could be university officials or they could be random passersby. The folks leading the tour for potential "freshmen" and it was for those that live outside the core service area.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 28, 2016 17:35:44 GMT -8
By the time this thing ever gets completed we will have autonomous buses/vans that could run between the two places. The school could buy a fleet of those and run them non-stop 24 hours a day such that one would arrive every couple of minutes at multiple stops within and around both areas. That is just one possible alternative to a reliance on the trolley. Plus it would be far cheaper than trying to build and run a separate trolley line between the two locations. There is no need for a special trolley line. One is already there with frequent service. Every 15 minutes with a 12-minute travel time.
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Post by pbnative on Apr 28, 2016 21:52:35 GMT -8
By the time this thing ever gets completed we will have autonomous buses/vans that could run between the two places. The school could buy a fleet of those and run them non-stop 24 hours a day such that one would arrive every couple of minutes at multiple stops within and around both areas. That is just one possible alternative to a reliance on the trolley. Plus it would be far cheaper than trying to build and run a separate trolley line between the two locations. There is no need for a special trolley line. One is already there with frequent service. Every 15 minutes with a 12-minute duration. Plus the stadium stop has a pretty good size 3rd line/ switching station for storing extra cars during games, and just pass Alvarado I believe there is a way for the cars to switch tracks. I think that would allow for adding an extra trolley or 2 for an "Express" route if needed.
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