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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 27, 2016 7:19:50 GMT -8
And it would be full of SDSU students going to and from. Disagree; students would be driving new cars that their parents bought for 'em. Let's be real here...this is Southern California. No matter how much we try, we just can't seem to grasp public transit. I don't think I've ever read a post of yours that put a positive spin on anything
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Post by pbnative on Apr 27, 2016 7:49:46 GMT -8
I used to ride the trolley from the stadium to SDSU almost every day. It was 100 times easier than fighting for parking and I knew the schedule was always pretty accurate. Before the trolley I would get to campus about an hour before class to make sure I had time to hunt for a parking spot and make it to class on time.
Besides, there will be hundreds of students living at the stadium site going back n forth daily. I'm sure there will be several express trolleys dedicated for SDSU.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 27, 2016 7:54:48 GMT -8
I used to ride the trolley from the stadium to SDSU almost every day. It was 100 times easier than fighting for parking and I knew the schedule was always pretty accurate. Before the trolley I would get to campus about an hour before class to make sure I had time to hunt for a parking spot and make it to class on time. Besides, there will be hundreds of students living at the stadium site going back n forth daily. I'm sure there will be several express trolleys dedicated for SDSU. Plus you don't have to pay for a parking pass and you can ride the trolley with friends and not have to worry about who's driving... it's much easier than driving in many different ways
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Post by pbnative on Apr 27, 2016 7:56:12 GMT -8
Most definitely faculty and some graduate students will reside at "SDSU WEST." Particularly with the creation of public-private research/technology transfer facilities and a hotel that would offer internship opportunities for students from the school of Hospitality and Tourism Management. However, since freshman (living outside the SDSU service area) are mandated to live their first year in on-campus housing (and are encouraged to live two years on campus) I could see ALL freshman being required to reside at SDSU WEST for their first year. SDSU currently has about 35,000 students. Approximately 5,000 (14%) are graduate students. SDSU currently has approximately 5,000 beds on main campus and 63% of first-time freshman live on campus. If SDSU expanded by 15,000 students to a total of 50,000 students that would equate to approximately 7,000 total graduate students and 10,750 total freshman students. If just 70% of freshman lived on campus that would equate to 7,525 freshman required to live on campus. According to President Hirshman SDSU wants to turn SDSU WEST into a transit-dependent/oriented campus so they can "realize a sustainable, green vision for the redeveloped site and for our entire university." He further emphasized that "this would reduce traffic in Mission Valley and in the College Area, as well as reduce our entire community’s carbon footprint and parking challenges on our campus." SDSU can mandate that first-time freshman reside @ SDSU WEST and can control the amount of vehicles permitted on the property. Thus, without question first-time freshman will be required to reside @ SDSU WEST along with some graduate students and around 400 faculty. Perhaps a mix of sophomore, junior, senior & graduate students will be reside on main campus. Having all freshman live off of the main campus where their classes will be would be foolish IMO. Agree. I would guess the freshman would live in the dorms on the mesa, and the SDSU West would be more apartment style housing for mor upper level students. There is still room to expand on the main campus if the campus expansion happens. The Alvarado apartments can be torn down for more freshman dorms or classrooms. Then there are several old apartment complex that the school has purchased the last few years.
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Post by pbnative on Apr 27, 2016 8:01:14 GMT -8
I used to ride the trolley from the stadium to SDSU almost every day. It was 100 times easier than fighting for parking and I knew the schedule was always pretty accurate. Before the trolley I would get to campus about an hour before class to make sure I had time to hunt for a parking spot and make it to class on time. Besides, there will be hundreds of students living at the stadium site going back n forth daily. I'm sure there will be several express trolleys dedicated for SDSU. Plus you don't have to pay for a parking pass and you can ride the trolley with friends and not have to worry about who's driving... it's much easier than driving in many different ways Yep... I'm sure you would have to purchase a trolley pass, which they already have for students. Maybe they offer something like a monthly SDSU "express" pass that is for campus only travel and is built into the rent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 8:04:50 GMT -8
Faulconer was on Sileo this morning and basically brought up trolley expansion. It may have been more in the context of dealing with a potential Charger move DT, but I would think that an attempt to expand the system between the main and west campus would happen as well. A dedicated, student/faculty only trolley line, would probably be necessary.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 27, 2016 8:18:58 GMT -8
And it would be full of SDSU students going to and from. Disagree; students would be driving new cars that their parents bought for 'em. Let's be real here...this is Southern California. No matter how much we try, we just can't seem to grasp public transit. In this case the great majority of freshman students living at SDSU WEST wouldn't have a choice but to ride the trolley or bus as SDSU would have the autonomy to command and control use of that real estate into perpetuity. Of course they could drive the limited amount of vehicles that would be permitted @ SDSU West via car pools and such. They could even ride their bicycle. However, they would quickly realize using the trolley is much easier and efficient than driving a motor vehicle to main campus. It is this fact that gives SDSU an extraordinary advantage over any other type of private development at the MV site. Because SDSU can command & control use it will be much easier to finance a university project such as SDSU West. No private developer has this ability. In addition, as President Hirshman noted, the utilization of a transit-dependent/oriented campus would allow SDSU West to "realize a sustainable, green vision for the redeveloped site and for our entire university." He went on to say "this would reduce traffic in Mission Valley and in the College Area, as well as reduce our entire community’s carbon footprint and parking challenges on our campus." Due to the mitigation requirements and significant traffic impact challenges any private developer would face it would make the site very costly to develop and perhaps not marketable. This is a sharp contrast to the ability SDSU has to develop SDSU West with "smart growth" in a truly transit-dependent manner over a long period of time (approximately 15 years). Go SDSU WEST! Go Aztecs!
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Post by DeeMoney on Apr 27, 2016 8:26:24 GMT -8
I know I'm only representing a small sample size (myself). But if it were dictated to me that I had to live on campus as a frosh, and take a trolley to school (and furthermore were discouraged from using my car at all) there is a strong chance I would not have come to state.
Whether or not we think of them as such, college freshman are still adults. The school shouldn't force them to live under its control just to attend classes. Just because you are a student at SDSU doesn't mean your whole life revolves around the campus and people there.
I would be strongly against this plan if it mandated freshman to live on campus.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 27, 2016 8:31:07 GMT -8
Having all freshman live off of the main campus where their classes will be would be foolish IMO. Agree. I would guess the freshman would live in the dorms on the mesa, and the SDSU West would be more apartment style housing for mor upper level students. There is still room to expand on the main campus if the campus expansion happens. The Alvarado apartments can be torn down for more freshman dorms or classrooms. Then there are several old apartment complex that the school has purchased the last few years. I don't know exactly how the housing will turn out but what if SDSU sophomores, juniors & seniors don't want to live at SDSU West? What if they want to live at main campus or even off campus completely (as I did my junior year) at Mission Beach, OB, PB etc? The only group that SDSU can mandate where they reside is freshman and faculty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 8:40:29 GMT -8
I know I'm only representing a small sample size (myself). But if it were dictated to me that I had to live on campus as a frosh, and take a trolley to school (and furthermore were discouraged from using my car at all) there is a strong chance I would not have come to state. Whether or not we think of them as such, college freshman are still adults. The school shouldn't force them to live under its control just to attend classes. Just because you are a student at SDSU doesn't mean your whole life revolves around the campus and people there. I would be strongly against this plan if it mandated freshman to live on campus. Having Frosh on campus is not some SDSU invention and given how in demand entry to SDSU is now, I doubt it will have an outsized effect on enrollments. But yeah, I'm sure some will not like the rule in general. I have a feeling that the West campus housing will be more geared toward faculty, upperclassmen, and graduate students. But who knows.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 27, 2016 8:52:35 GMT -8
I know I'm only representing a small sample size (myself). But if it were dictated to me that I had to live on campus as a frosh, and take a trolley to school (and furthermore were discouraged from using my car at all) there is a strong chance I would not have come to state. Whether or not we think of them as such, college freshman are still adults. The school shouldn't force them to live under its control just to attend classes. Just because you are a student at SDSU doesn't mean your whole life revolves around the campus and people there. I would be strongly against this plan if it mandated freshman to live on campus. I definitely understand your perspective. However, SDSU isn't the only university that mandates their freshman live on campus. Others include Long Beach & Stanford just to name a couple. When SDSU West is built out (approximately 15 years) it will likely be nicer than main campus and could even be a preferred location for students to reside compared to main campus. Also consider this; SDSU received over 80,000 application last year and that number is only going to grow. SDSU offers one of the highest quality educations in the nation at an extremely affordable price. And you get to live in San Diego! If a student chooses to go to a different university based on being mandated to live on campus for their freshman year they can certainly attend another university.
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Post by SD Johnny on Apr 27, 2016 9:01:37 GMT -8
I know I'm only representing a small sample size (myself). But if it were dictated to me that I had to live on campus as a frosh, and take a trolley to school (and furthermore were discouraged from using my car at all) there is a strong chance I would not have come to state. Whether or not we think of them as such, college freshman are still adults. The school shouldn't force them to live under its control just to attend classes. Just because you are a student at SDSU doesn't mean your whole life revolves around the campus and people there. I would be strongly against this plan if it mandated freshman to live on campus. With 80,000 applicants a year the people that don't like it can go elsewhere. We could force students to live in Ridgecrest for a year and we'd still have a waiting list a mile long.
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Post by SD Johnny on Apr 27, 2016 10:21:27 GMT -8
Having all freshman live off of the main campus where their classes will be would be foolish IMO. It's a pretty good bet that is exactly what will happen. Has anyone involved in the project stated that or is that your assumption?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 27, 2016 10:30:48 GMT -8
It's a pretty good bet that is exactly what will happen. Has anyone involved in the project stated that or is that your assumption? Just a guess. IMO it seems realistic due to the fact SDSU has a statutory obligation to house all freshman on campus. They can't do that currently and freshman are the only students SDSU can mandate to live on campus in a location the university identifies.
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Post by pbnative on Apr 27, 2016 11:22:10 GMT -8
Agree. I would guess the freshman would live in the dorms on the mesa, and the SDSU West would be more apartment style housing for mor upper level students.R There is still room to expand on the main campus if the campus expansion happens. The Alvarado apartments can be torn down for more freshman dorms or classrooms. Then there are several old apartment complex that the school has purchased the last few years. I don't know exactly how the housing will turn out but what if SDSU sophomores, juniors & seniors don't want to live at SDSU West? What if they want to live at main campus or even off campus completely (as I did my junior year) at Mission Beach, OB, PB etc? The only group that SDSU can mandate where they reside is freshman and faculty. I was thinking more Grad and research based students for the west campus, but it all depends on the focus of the Intent of expansion. Is the additional space is going to be to add to the general student undergraduate population, or is it so SDSU/UCSD can expand postgraduate and research opportunities. I kind of hope it is for the research aspect. It is extremely lucrative for research grant aspect, and would have a much greater impact locally than pumping out 10,000 extra general Econ and Psyc majors. Look at a place like Stanford, where an entire industry and economy emerged because of the technology focus. UCSD is a big player in SD's biotech... San Diego was a major force in the aerospace industry that basically fueled the area for decades. I would like to see the expansion focus to be bringing an emerging industry to the area. Something like renewable energy or even a very young field that is still in its infancy... Things like solar is great and all, but Germany is already tinkering with fusion reactors.
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Post by northcountymike on Apr 27, 2016 11:34:42 GMT -8
Disagree; students would be driving new cars that their parents bought for 'em. Let's be real here...this is Southern California. No matter how much we try, we just can't seem to grasp public transit. I don't think I've ever read a post of yours that put a positive spin on anything Perhaps not, I suppose. But, as long as there are posters who say/claim things that may not be true, I'll stick up for the rest of us that disagree. Have you ever been to State? Actually, have you ever been to a college in Southern California? Tons of these students have new cars their parents just bought 'em. Tons of 'em also have the old family station wagon. Does that mean all of 'em do? Nope. But, it also doesn't mean that they take public transportation. It's a SoCal thing; very few people take public transportation here. If you haven't seen it, you must be new.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 27, 2016 11:38:56 GMT -8
I don't know exactly how the housing will turn out but what if SDSU sophomores, juniors & seniors don't want to live at SDSU West? What if they want to live at main campus or even off campus completely (as I did my junior year) at Mission Beach, OB, PB etc? The only group that SDSU can mandate where they reside is freshman and faculty. I was thinking more Grad and research based students for the west campus, but it all depends on the focus of the Intent of expansion. Is the additional space is going to be to add to the general student undergraduate population, or is it so SDSU/UCSD can expand postgraduate and research opportunities. I kind of hope it is for the research aspect. It is extremely lucrative for research grant aspect, and would have a much greater impact locally than pumping out 10,000 extra general Econ and Psyc majors. Look at a place like Stanford, where an entire industry and economy emerged because of the technology focus. UCSD is a big player in SD's biotech... San Diego was a major force in the aerospace industry that basically fueled the area for decades. I would like to see the expansion focus to be bringing an emerging industry to the area. Something like renewable energy, hydrology alternatives, or even a very young field that is still in its infancy. SDSU WEST will support both research and undergraduate needs. If you look at the map legend of SDSU WEST you will notice an Executive hotel (potentially run by SDSU and the School of Hospitality and Tourism Management), a science-based interpretive river conservancy center that would presumably be run jointly between the Scripps Institute of Oceanography/UCSD and SDSU and academic/research buildings. President Hirshman noted that a "small number of research/technology transfer facilities would be located at SDSU WEST. SDSU WEST will be multi-faceted. Certainly the opportunity for public-private research ventures is very lucrative. However, the economic impact an additional 10,000 undergraduate students will have on the greater San Diego region is massive.
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Post by northcountymike on Apr 27, 2016 11:40:00 GMT -8
Disagree; students would be driving new cars that their parents bought for 'em. Let's be real here...this is Southern California. No matter how much we try, we just can't seem to grasp public transit. I am sure you have done your research and all but I'd be willing to bet that a majority of first year students who live on campus do not have cars. I'd guess if the trolley is convenient the students will take it for many reasons (ever heard of Uber? why do you suppose most folks use that service?) Ok, I concede that maybe a lot of first-year students don't have cars. I never said a majority of them have cars, but a lot of them do, and I'm sure you've done your research too. Uber is not public transportation, sorry. Why do most folks use that service? Because they're drunk at 2 AM and at least some of them have the smarts to call someone rather than jump in their car.
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Post by northcountymike on Apr 27, 2016 11:46:38 GMT -8
Disagree; students would be driving new cars that their parents bought for 'em. Let's be real here...this is Southern California. No matter how much we try, we just can't seem to grasp public transit. In this case the great majority of freshman students living at SDSU WEST wouldn't have a choice but to ride the trolley or bus as SDSU would have the autonomy to command and control use of that real estate into perpetuity. Of course they could drive the limited amount of vehicles that would be permitted @ SDSU West via car pools and such. They could even ride their bicycle. However, they would quickly realize using the trolley is much easier and efficient than driving a motor vehicle to main campus. It is this fact that gives SDSU an extraordinary advantage over any other type of private development at the MV site. Because SDSU can command & control use it will be much easier to finance a university project such as SDSU West. No private developer has this ability. In addition, as President Hirshman noted, the utilization of a transit-dependent/oriented campus would allow SDSU West to "realize a sustainable, green vision for the redeveloped site and for our entire university." He went on to say "this would reduce traffic in Mission Valley and in the College Area, as well as reduce our entire community’s carbon footprint and parking challenges on our campus." Due to the mitigation requirements and significant traffic impact challenges any private developer would face it would make the site very costly to develop and perhaps not marketable. This is a sharp contrast to the ability SDSU has to develop SDSU West with "smart growth" in a truly transit-dependent manner over a long period of time (approximately 15 years). Go SDSU WEST! Go Aztecs! An interesting thought, but I'll believe it when I see it. If they do limit cars and/or parking (or it comes at a premium, like everywhere else on campus), the overflow would be to the surrounding businesses. I wish the students would see how much easier the trolley and/or bus is, but I'm just a bit skeptical that freshman girls are going to want to walk a little further or use a hot, crowded trolley or bus that might make their makeup run and their hair go flat. If you've been to a school in SoCal, you see how they get "dressed up" for class .
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 27, 2016 11:53:34 GMT -8
In this case the great majority of freshman students living at SDSU WEST wouldn't have a choice but to ride the trolley or bus as SDSU would have the autonomy to command and control use of that real estate into perpetuity. Of course they could drive the limited amount of vehicles that would be permitted @ SDSU West via car pools and such. They could even ride their bicycle. However, they would quickly realize using the trolley is much easier and efficient than driving a motor vehicle to main campus. It is this fact that gives SDSU an extraordinary advantage over any other type of private development at the MV site. Because SDSU can command & control use it will be much easier to finance a university project such as SDSU West. No private developer has this ability. In addition, as President Hirshman noted, the utilization of a transit-dependent/oriented campus would allow SDSU West to "realize a sustainable, green vision for the redeveloped site and for our entire university." He went on to say "this would reduce traffic in Mission Valley and in the College Area, as well as reduce our entire community’s carbon footprint and parking challenges on our campus." Due to the mitigation requirements and significant traffic impact challenges any private developer would face it would make the site very costly to develop and perhaps not marketable. This is a sharp contrast to the ability SDSU has to develop SDSU West with "smart growth" in a truly transit-dependent manner over a long period of time (approximately 15 years). Go SDSU WEST! Go Aztecs! An interesting thought, but I'll believe it when I see it. If they do limit cars and/or parking (or it comes at a premium, like everywhere else on campus), the overflow would be to the surrounding businesses. I wish the students would see how much easier the trolley and/or bus is, but I'm just a bit skeptical that freshman girls are going to want to walk a little further or use a hot, crowded trolley or bus that might make their makeup run and their hair go flat. If you've been to a school in SoCal, you see how they get "dressed up" for class . Like anything the kinks will get worked out in the parking management plan. Considering I am an Alumnus of SDSU I did indeed attend school in SoCal and I remember vividly how the girls dressed.
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