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Post by hoobs on Apr 21, 2016 6:59:53 GMT -8
I would have to assume that this can be appealed to the NCAA. But the question would be... how quickly could/would the NCAA offer a ruling? Probably not soon enough.
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Post by azteccc on Apr 21, 2016 7:07:27 GMT -8
This story makes me sad... And not so much that we now can't get this player, but so much in that this should be about the student-athlete and his experience as a student-athlete (where he sees his best fit for himself) and not a coach/dictator who says where he can't or can play. So wrong in so many ways. Coaches can come and go freely, players cannot. Ha, yet the ncaa is all about the student-athlete. Please! Just tired of hearing this stuff... Plus anything about sdsu. Can they just leave us alone? If a kid is not working in your system or no longer wants to play for you, why is the kid being punished? This does not happen in the real world work force. This should not be happening to these kids, especially a grad transfer. Just really smh. So much wrong with "the system" and the Not Concerned About Athletes (NCAA).
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Post by richpjr on Apr 21, 2016 7:12:32 GMT -8
I sure hope that the school using the word tampering doesn't start the NCAA sniffing around our program again...
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 21, 2016 7:22:55 GMT -8
Maybe we should take some legal action about the charge of tampering. That is pretty serious in my mind. A false accusation of tampering could hurt recruiting in the future. SDSU has been in the CBB recruiting news for all the wrong reasons in the last 9 months or so. Win may be right the school may need to push back and defend itself. JMO
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 21, 2016 8:04:31 GMT -8
If Izundu really wants to come here he'll just have to hire a lawyer and it will be resolved quickly. All I can get from any of the articles is that 3 WSU employees "felt" there was tampering by a third party. Someone needs to prove SDSU contacted Izundu thru a 3rd party to encourage him to transfer out and over to SDSU. I don't see anyone ever finding proof that happened.
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 21, 2016 8:17:05 GMT -8
I would have to assume that this can be appealed to the NCAA. But the question would be... how quickly could/would the NCAA offer a ruling? Probably not soon enough. That's because they're all still working on the 10+ year investigation into N. Carolina's bogus classes/grades scandal. They should have that wrapped up by, oh, say, 2022. Then they can start clearing some of their other backlog.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 21, 2016 8:43:04 GMT -8
I would have to assume that this can be appealed to the NCAA. But the question would be... how quickly could/would the NCAA offer a ruling? Probably not soon enough. That's because they're all still working on the 10+ year investigation into N. Carolina's bogus classes/grades scandal. They should have that wrapped up by, oh, say, 2022. Then they can start clearing some of their other backlog. They still have work to do plugging/reprimanding/firing their "leaky" employees that drip rumors to assclowns like Gary Parrish!
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Post by ignoranus on Apr 21, 2016 8:49:08 GMT -8
The North Carolina investigation cannot possibly be completed until some months after the death of Roy Williams.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Apr 21, 2016 8:54:18 GMT -8
I thought that if they graduate they can go wherever they want and the school cannot block the transfer.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 21, 2016 9:01:09 GMT -8
I thought that if they graduate they can go wherever they want and the school cannot block the transfer. Obviously the Wazzu faculty thinks they can restrict the movements of students after they leave Pullman, WA. Izundu needs to find a good lawyer quickly and resolve this mess. Since SDSU has a vested interest I guess the school can't help him?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 21, 2016 9:14:24 GMT -8
2 similar threads on Izundu, should we just merge them??
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Post by standiego on Apr 21, 2016 9:20:37 GMT -8
agree put them all in 1 thread
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 21, 2016 9:44:55 GMT -8
As a WSU alum, first I want to apologize to this board for the absolutely horrible embarrassment that WSU & Ernesto have been throughout this process. It's petty & pathetic, but not all totally surprising unfortunately. WSU really isn't this bad - just their athletic department, and that starts at the top (Bill Moos - AD - set precedent a LONG time ago).
A few notes: - Ernie was forced out at Oregon because he had lost touch with his players (they were revolting), and because 2 critical recruits who wanted to play there - Kevin Love & Singler (Duke) - decided not to go there because (allegedly) they had issues with Ernie's character. He (allegedly) slept with the daughter of a major donor & supporter of the program while drunk in Mexico (& while married). Classy. This may explain a lot. He's actually a really good guy - just makes poor decisions.
- Ernie (IMO) took this job as a favor to Moos, his former boss at Oregon. Moos had dumped on the program, had reached out to other HC's including Rice at BSU & offered him the job, only to be turned down. They all knew he treated his bball coach as a 2nd class citizen & spends nothing on hoops, while foaming at the mouth over their football coach. As a last resort, and given the fact he promised the alumni base he's hire a HC with D1 experience, he begged Ernie to take the job out of retirement, and Ernie sucked him dry for $1.4MM a year to do so. The job stinks - one of the worst anywhere. It's hard to be "happy" in that role, especially coming off a 1-17 conference record. If anyone wonders why Ernie is bitter or petty, how would you feel to have a great gig as a b-ball commentator, get to travel around with no pressure & now you have the toughest HC job on the west coast.
- Ernie's 1st recruiting class is all gone, most forced out by Ernie when they didn't turn out to be any good. Now, his sole remaining recruit from that class - Izundu, a kid he talked into transferring to WSU & who he put a lot of time in with - is bolting to actually have some fun winning. Ernie's hurt. It's OK if HE gets to kick the kids out, but not if they leave him.
- We know our staff, and they have said they weren't even aware Izundu was even at that game until just recently. There was no tampering in or around the time he looked into SDSU UNLESS you call talking to girls who may blind you with lust tampering? Personally, I don't.
- You cannot appeal this to the NCAA. This is a school decision - the NCAA rules permit schools to block transfers to certain schools as long as they are not extreme (e.g. you can't limit them beyond reason). Ernie initially blocked Q (a good kid BTW) from 23 schools, even though he'd put up with Ernie's lack of a rotation for 2 years. Ernie has since relented, hopefully because he grew a conscious. Will he with Izundu? Maybe, but IMO there will need to be pressure on him for that to happen.
In a nutshell, Ernie has a tendency to cause players to revolt, makes questionable decisions, was 'retired' and having fun before taking a pain in the ass job which now has him bitter, and is butthurt because they one kid left that he initially brought in doesn't want to play for him any more. He's put 2 & 2 together & got 5, but still thinks he's right. A kid going to SD on spring break has to do so not due to girls, sun or beach, but due to a mingling coaching staff.
Again, I apologize to all the Aztecs for the embarrassment which is the WSU Cougar basketball program and truly hope this is resolved in the best interests of Izundu. BTW, if you haven't seen it Izundu tweeted that he's been a 3.0 student, has never been in trouble & is being PUNISHED by his coach & is confused as to why. Sad.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 21, 2016 9:52:51 GMT -8
If Izundu really wants to come here he'll just have to hire a lawyer and it will be resolved quickly. All I can get from any of the articles is that 3 WSU employees "felt" there was tampering by a third party. Someone needs to prove SDSU contacted Izundu thru a 3rd party to encourage him to transfer out and over to SDSU. I don't see anyone ever finding proof that happened. Agreed, although I think if he simply went on the talk show circuit, and did a couple interviews with papers in the region - in order word caused a stink that makes Ernie look bad, he'd accomplish the same thing w/o the hassle of a lawyer.
Re: "tampering", keep in mind how broad that definition is. If a SDSU supporter/alum talks a kid into coming here, even without the knowledge of the staff, that is "tampering". It's a recruiting violation. There's a lot of leeway in that definition. It would be hard to disprove 'tampering' per se. IMO, this has to be about right/wrong for the kid, and about embarrassing Ernie. Not legal restitution. Remember that Fish isn't a big fan of the grad-transfer rule - he's not going to push anything, and Sterk won't overstep Fish on that & shouldn't.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 21, 2016 9:54:08 GMT -8
2 similar threads on Izundu, should we just merge them?? Just delete this one if that's simpler. Nothing new...
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Post by ignoranus on Apr 21, 2016 9:59:35 GMT -8
We thank WSU for The X Man and Sterk.
Now, can we just have one more?
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Post by pdraztec on Apr 21, 2016 10:05:03 GMT -8
No apology needed from you.....the apology should come from the WSU admins, Coach Kent and the AD.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 21, 2016 10:40:16 GMT -8
I wonder if one of our tweeters could send one to Jim Rome? If Rome or Doug Gottlieb for that matter had the right take on this & they skewered Ernie on the air waves perhaps Ernie would give in and do the right thing?? Thoughts on this?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 21, 2016 11:09:29 GMT -8
Do we tap out, or wait and see if anything new develops re: Valentine Izundu??
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Post by standiego on Apr 21, 2016 11:26:17 GMT -8
Izundu was a student athlete - who if correct had a 3.0 GPA , should first talk with the academic part of WSU and even ask to talk with the President or chancellor at WSU . Make the extra effort to try to do something through the system and then suggest he may have his attorney or other legal groups get involved . WSU can temporarily win the battle but then lose many other battles recruiting wise - players can and do talk to other players/recruits . This can only hurt WSU going forward .
Would also suggest to WSU alums that they want to talk with to fellow alums or any other contacts they have at WSU,about how poorly WSU comes off in this situation . Izundu is not going back there so they have every thing to lose and nothing to gain .
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