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Post by ab on Mar 9, 2016 15:40:08 GMT -8
We have two scholarships for 2016 and we need a couple of bigs so why not just offer the Allen brothers the scholarships in a package deal. Who?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 9, 2016 16:19:44 GMT -8
We have two scholarships for 2016 and we need a couple of bigs so why not just offer the Allen brothers the scholarships in a package deal. Who? Come on Bruce try and keep up there has been a thread about at least 1 of these brothers for months now!
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Post by Abraham Lincoln on Mar 9, 2016 18:38:01 GMT -8
We got thrashed by Duke big man last year and the NC State bigs also bounced us around like rag dolls a few years back. Against Duke we had Spencer and Chol. We may have done better with quicker bigs doubling. Against NC State, we didn't have a healthy Tim Shelton. Tim's knees didn't respond well to 3 games in 3 days in Las Vegas. He tried but was so hobbled that all he could do was foul. He only played 13 minutes. That Aztec team played 4 guards all season and, with a healthy Tim Shelton, won at Arizona, won the MWC, and earned a #6 seed in the NCAA tournament. We need better than Spencer and Chol.Speed double teaming?
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Post by Abraham Lincoln on Mar 9, 2016 18:41:15 GMT -8
Some may think we are going to get who we want to come in and play the 5 but it has not been that easy to attract them to San Diego State. Also if Leonard Allen was going to attend school is he considered an out of state tuition and costs that go with it for the family ? Nolan was a 4 in HS learning the 5 this year , Zylan also a 4 - picks up a lot of fouls still learning the D , Malik has improved a lot this year on D but has very slender frame to play the 5 Especially difficult when they do not offer a scholarship.I think difficult is not the word more like impossible.
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Post by missiontrails on Mar 9, 2016 21:20:19 GMT -8
That is false, they'd play Narain/Cheatham at center over a mediocre center. We play talent first. Good programs never just take bodies. Cheathum and Narain would get smoked at center next year.The other teams scouting report would be they are weak and small inside.What would happen is those two players would get dominated by a much bigger player and foul out with no offensive production what so ever.We need a 6-11 or 7 foot guy to counter the other teams center.When their center checks out for a break you throw in Pope or Narain as a athletic 5.This is the only solution.Cheathum is too short for the 5 and I personally like him at the four. Methinks your knowledge of defense dates back about four score and seven years ago, Abe.
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Post by standiego on Mar 9, 2016 23:10:23 GMT -8
is the goal to advance to at least SW16 or better ? or just win the MW conference . If SW16 then we do need a quality 5 - that could be 6'9" or above . Nolan is an unknown as he is learning to play the 5 . He could be our best offensive center but have no real idea about D and rebounding . Malik is not a 5 , Zylan makes numerous freshman aggressive mistakes on D that gets him into foul trouble , he should really improve after his first year of playing but against P5 centers ?
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Post by missiontrails on Mar 10, 2016 11:47:08 GMT -8
is the goal to advance to at least SW16 or better ? or just win the MW conference . If SW16 then we do need a quality 5 - that could be 6'9" or above . Nolan is an unknown as he is learning to play the 5 . He could be our best offensive center but have no real idea about D and rebounding . Malik is not a 5 , Zylan makes numerous freshman aggressive mistakes on D that gets him into foul trouble , he should really improve after his first year of playing but against P5 centers ? Says who? Michigan State made the Final 4 last year without a center on their roster.
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Post by ignoranus on Mar 10, 2016 12:30:23 GMT -8
Yeah but they had Tom Izzo.
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Post by ab on Mar 10, 2016 15:10:25 GMT -8
Come on Bruce try and keep up there has been a thread about at least 1 of these brothers for months now! Ok, but who the hell is he referring to? Leonard Allen's kid. Does he have a brother?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 10, 2016 15:14:25 GMT -8
Yes!
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Post by onions on Mar 10, 2016 15:16:15 GMT -8
is the goal to advance to at least SW16 or better ? or just win the MW conference . If SW16 then we do need a quality 5 - that could be 6'9" or above . Nolan is an unknown as he is learning to play the 5 . He could be our best offensive center but have no real idea about D and rebounding . Malik is not a 5 , Zylan makes numerous freshman aggressive mistakes on D that gets him into foul trouble , he should really improve after his first year of playing but against P5 centers ? I don't think you really know what you're talking about ...the majority of the teams in top 25 traditionally don't even have a starter, or rotation player taller than 6'10 (most start a guy 6''9). Kansas, Oregon, w viginia, mich st, Oklahoma, etc ... rotate 6'9 -6'10 PF's. Duke beat us last year ... but they beat everyone last year because dominant C's are rare in college. Who on our shedule this year even had a true center ... And did any of them give us problems... Poetl (UT)? Aget ... Hell no. What we need is 6'9, strong, athletic and skilled.
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 10, 2016 16:43:57 GMT -8
Come on Bruce try and keep up there has been a thread about at least 1 of these brothers for months now! Ok, but who the hell is he referring to? Leonard Allen's kid. Does he have a brother? If you would stop pimping the Chargers and instead pay a little more attention to Aztecs sports then you would've known who I'm talking about. espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/188079/jarrett-allen
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 10, 2016 16:46:00 GMT -8
It's weird that that the Aztecs coaches hasn't offer Jarrett Allen yet. Did his father told the coaches not to even bother? I just don't understand the whole situation. We needed some bigs for 2016 and both brother play that position.
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Post by Abraham Lincoln on Mar 10, 2016 16:49:43 GMT -8
is the goal to advance to at least SW16 or better ? or just win the MW conference . If SW16 then we do need a quality 5 - that could be 6'9" or above . Nolan is an unknown as he is learning to play the 5 . He could be our best offensive center but have no real idea about D and rebounding . Malik is not a 5 , Zylan makes numerous freshman aggressive mistakes on D that gets him into foul trouble , he should really improve after his first year of playing but against P5 centers ? I don't think you really know what you're talking about ...the majority of the teams in top 25 traditionally don't even have a starter, or rotation player taller than 6'10 (most start a guy 6''9). Kansas, Oregon, w viginia, mich st, Oklahoma, etc ... rotate 6'9 -6'10 PF's. Duke beat us last year ... but they beat everyone last year because dominant C's are rare in college. Who on our shedule this year even had a true center ... And did any of them give us problems... Poetl (UT)? Aget ... Hell no. What we need is 6'9, strong, athletic and skilled. We did not play any teams with a center yet you are right.If and when we play in the Ncaa tourney and the other team has a good center we are in trouble such as last year and the year before and the year before that and so on......It is nice to have a 6-11 or 7ft on the roster to help battle these size players when we get to the tourney.We have 12 or 13 scholarships so there is room for one.Fab 5 had Webber and so on and so forth.
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Post by standiego on Mar 10, 2016 17:01:50 GMT -8
If you notice I said have a skilled player that is 6'9" or taller , that wants to play near the basket . Does not have to be a 7 footer . Last year Duke , Kentucky , Badgers all had a quality 5 . Notice who the Aztec coaches were trying to recruit the hardest Cage and Stanback , what position do they play and who are they trying to recruit for 2016 's last scholarship or two . It also depends on who you have playing the 4 and 3 . Do they have size to help defend a true big , do they like to rebound ?. Zylan - can be a strong rebounder , started out strong but has had some difficulties . Malik has added D to his game .
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Post by fisherville on Mar 10, 2016 17:23:56 GMT -8
is the goal to advance to at least SW16 or better ? No, I'm sure the goal is to lose every game, and not improve.
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Post by fisherville on Mar 10, 2016 17:25:23 GMT -8
If you notice I said have a skilled player that is 6'9" or taller , that wants to play near the basket . Does not have to be a 7 footer . Last year Duke , Kentucky , Badgers all had a quality 5 . Notice who the Aztec coaches were trying to recruit the hardest Cage and Stanback , what position do they play and who are they trying to recruit for 2016 's last scholarship or two . It also depends on who you have playing the 4 and 3 . Do they have size to help defend a true big , do they like to rebound ?. Zylan - can be a strong rebounder , started out strong but has had some difficulties . Malik has added D to his game . Nolan Narain is an extremely skilled big that can play inside and out. If you can't see that I can't help you.
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Post by Abraham Lincoln on Mar 10, 2016 19:05:10 GMT -8
If you notice I said have a skilled player that is 6'9" or taller , that wants to play near the basket . Does not have to be a 7 footer . Last year Duke , Kentucky , Badgers all had a quality 5 . Notice who the Aztec coaches were trying to recruit the hardest Cage and Stanback , what position do they play and who are they trying to recruit for 2016 's last scholarship or two . It also depends on who you have playing the 4 and 3 . Do they have size to help defend a true big , do they like to rebound ?. Zylan - can be a strong rebounder , started out strong but has had some difficulties . Malik has added D to his game . They should have offered more than Cage and Stanback.If you need a center and a center only then they should have offered ten of them.Now we are stuck and the fans are wondering how the hell can this happen?
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Post by standiego on Mar 10, 2016 19:39:43 GMT -8
Nolan played the 4 in HS . He is learning the 5 position this year while red shirting this year . Very likely could become the best shooting 5 from the outside we have had . But he has zero college experience , take a look at Zylan this year - he also red shirted . Aztecs also offered another 5 Kone but he went to another PAC school also . Aztecs have not usually offered numerous guys they have a narrow list and hope to land a select few . Our coaches did try to recruit J. Allen but he has sights on a P5 school . Is watching to see best fit in the spring after guys leave for the NBA .
My point on goal for the team SW16 or just MW champs . When you get to MM SW16 ,you are playing quality teams that usually have a decent guy or two down low ,that we will need to defend . We played Kansas , Utah and CAL this year in OOC . Next year , Fisher knows he needs to schedule some top 25 teams during OOC. Utah is going to be in same Hawaii T as us .
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Post by MrPerfect on Mar 16, 2016 16:59:25 GMT -8
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