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Post by myownwords on Jan 27, 2016 10:47:49 GMT -8
You're saying that the "stars" are unimportant? By extension, are you then saying that we should NOT try to land as many 5-Stars, or 4-stars, as possible? We need to be content with rostering up with 2's? (sorry, I verbed up that noun) Someone getting a 5-star rating is important; usually a can't miss status. But we're not in the market for 5-stars - that's not who we attract. Same with 4-stars, unless they start receiving less attention from the P5's or have grade issues. We might steal 1 or 2, and that's always good.
There is LITTLE to no difference between 2 & 3 star talent, ESPECIALLY when looking at Rivals who, IMO, is by far the worst evaluator of talent on the West coast.
One thing "stars" doesn't take into account is that many have matured early and may have actually peaked at 19, whereas many 2-stars are later bloomers who may peak at 20-22. The most important ability of a recruiter is to be able to tell the difference - who has the most upside, long term, within your system. Most recruits will RS on this squad, especially HS guys, so what we want are good fits who are still developing, not guys who had mustaches at 12 & dominated in junior high/HS with little room for growth.
If you can get 4-stars who fit our profile, great. 3-stars, great. 2-stars, great. But thinking anyone KNOWS that a 3-star is going to better than a 2-star is simply guessing.
So with all that being said, it's better to load up with high ratings, rather than low. It's better to start with rich and healthy, than poor and sick. On that, we agree.
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 27, 2016 11:45:39 GMT -8
Someone getting a 5-star rating is important; usually a can't miss status. But we're not in the market for 5-stars - that's not who we attract. Same with 4-stars, unless they start receiving less attention from the P5's or have grade issues. We might steal 1 or 2, and that's always good.
There is LITTLE to no difference between 2 & 3 star talent, ESPECIALLY when looking at Rivals who, IMO, is by far the worst evaluator of talent on the West coast.
One thing "stars" doesn't take into account is that many have matured early and may have actually peaked at 19, whereas many 2-stars are later bloomers who may peak at 20-22. The most important ability of a recruiter is to be able to tell the difference - who has the most upside, long term, within your system. Most recruits will RS on this squad, especially HS guys, so what we want are good fits who are still developing, not guys who had mustaches at 12 & dominated in junior high/HS with little room for growth.
If you can get 4-stars who fit our profile, great. 3-stars, great. 2-stars, great. But thinking anyone KNOWS that a 3-star is going to better than a 2-star is simply guessing.
So with all that being said, it's better to load up with high ratings, rather than low. It's better to start of rich and healthy, than poor and sick. On that, we agree. 5s and 4s yes, although those who go G5 typically have baggage. 2's vs 3s, doesn't really matter unless you have a time machine.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jan 27, 2016 15:42:21 GMT -8
So are there any guys that we still have a chance at? I noticed 247 Sports has us as warm for two players. OT Yasir Durant and OLB Troy Cassidy. Cassidy seems like a guy who could add depth and maybe surprise. He's been coached the last few years by Brandon Chillar who played at UCLA and the NFL. One down and the other announces Thursday or Friday.
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Post by looch on Jan 27, 2016 17:14:23 GMT -8
Seems like when the issue of stars come up, and some say they don't really matter, an important point is being missed. I agree that too much is made of the stars method of deciding the potential of a player but a couple of sites are pretty good at it. I also agree that Rivals doesn't always do a great job of rating the players. Nonetheless, a rather important point is being overlooked or not addressed. The best teams, P5, are the ones getting the 5s and 4s year after year and that, and good coaching is why they are the best. One can look historically at our own conference and see that Boise State has out recruited all the other teams, and until a couple of other schools began to be more competitive in recruiting, including the Aztecs, they were always at the top. Before that it was BYU until they left the conference. I know the conferences were different but the idea fits. Some will argue that Boise kept beating P5 schools and that is true. They have had extremely good coaching over the years, get just enough 3s,4s to make them competitive and just seem to have something intangible that makes them better, well until now.
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 27, 2016 19:20:08 GMT -8
It is important to realize that Rocky knows he can not get 5 star player or for the most part 4 star so he sort of makes weird exuses that a coach of a p5 team or Houston's coach would not make.
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Post by standiego on Jan 27, 2016 19:22:30 GMT -8
Great % of the 4 and 5 star guys are going to P5 schools . Even the lower rated schools in P5 - they all get the same TV money , to help with stipends , pay coaches , .... Main reason PAC will not let SDSU in , Texas Schools will not let Houston in to the B12. What G5 schools get 4 or 5 star guys will be interesting to see . ? Not many , would guess Houston and ?? but not many .
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Post by Montezumas Revenge 88 on Jan 27, 2016 19:37:42 GMT -8
Great % of the 4 and 5 star guys are going to P5 schools . Even the lower rated schools in P5 - they all get the same TV money , to help with stipends , pay coaches , .... Main reason PAC will not let SDSU in , Texas Schools will not let Houston in to the B12. What G5 schools get 4 or 5 star guys will be interesting to see . ? Not many , would guess Houston and ?? but not many . Houston is doing quite well for the 2016 class, 1 5* and 4 4* star recruits, 13 3* recruits so far: espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/school/_/id/248/class/2016They did also just win the AAC and the Peach Bowl(NY-6)
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 27, 2016 20:15:15 GMT -8
Great % of the 4 and 5 star guys are going to P5 schools . Even the lower rated schools in P5 - they all get the same TV money , to help with stipends , pay coaches , .... Main reason PAC will not let SDSU in , Texas Schools will not let Houston in to the B12. What G5 schools get 4 or 5 star guys will be interesting to see . ? Not many , would guess Houston and ?? but not many . Houston is doing quite well for the 2016 class, 1 5* and 4 4* star recruits, 13 3* recruits so far: espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/school/_/id/248/class/2016They did also just win the AAC and the Peach Bowl(NY-6) Houston is doing fantastic getting elite players left and right.
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 27, 2016 22:43:13 GMT -8
Great % of the 4 and 5 star guys are going to P5 schools . Even the lower rated schools in P5 - they all get the same TV money , to help with stipends , pay coaches , .... Main reason PAC will not let SDSU in , Texas Schools will not let Houston in to the B12. What G5 schools get 4 or 5 star guys will be interesting to see . ? Not many , would guess Houston and ?? but not many . Houston is doing quite well for the 2016 class, 1 5* and 4 4* star recruits, 13 3* recruits so far: espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/school/_/id/248/class/2016They did also just win the AAC and the Peach Bowl(NY-6) Yep, and most of those recruits are just down the street from them (or within a short drive). They have a new stadium and sit in the middle of the best recruiting area in the country.
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Post by aztecnyc on Jan 28, 2016 10:40:36 GMT -8
Not fair to compare us to Houston. We just aren't on their level yet. I think we can be in 2-3years but they've had several very good seasons in a row, are an exciting team to watch, and have a brand new stadium.
We just had our first truly impressive season, our stadium sucks, and just starting to become an exciting team to watch.
We'll get there we just aren't there yet.
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Post by looch on Jan 28, 2016 13:30:28 GMT -8
I want to go back to the idea that stars don't matter. That is not completely true. The system, though flawed at least gives us, the so-called novices, a place to begin when reviewing recruiting. Most players are generally categorized about where they should be when they are initially evaluated. The higher star players receive more attention than the others. The others are not seen as much, and in some cases not at all, until late in the process. Some are never classified and occasionally turn out to be real gems. In the case of a team like the Aztecs the search for players, especially on defense, is quite different because of the needs for different skill sets in the 3-3-5 system. They might pass on a few more highly rated players in some cases for so-called lower rated ones that fit the system better. On offense we need a very good FB while most teams don't and as a result we draw walk-ons.
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Post by fisherville on Jan 28, 2016 13:33:26 GMT -8
I think Jasmin is a 4 star quality recruit and if he would have been scouted harder by recruiting services they would have seen that. He's a tier above the rest of our recruits.Also really like Roemen and Durant.
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Post by standiego on Jan 28, 2016 15:32:53 GMT -8
U of Houston stadium cost 128 Million . cost of land and construction in Texas . More important U of H transferred 100 million dollars in funds from academics to athletics last year . From 2008 to 2014 they had only allocated 106 million total . Do you think CAL state schools would allow that ? What are they paying their coach and football staff ?
Article in the 10/23/2015 Houston Press . Their FB coach came out and said , we have a brand new 40,000 seat stadium , are undefeated and yet can Not fill the student section or sell out the stadium .
Have a great football staff , pay them well , and they can recruit in football rich Texas . Money .
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 28, 2016 19:30:12 GMT -8
I think Jasmin is a 4 star quality recruit and if he would have been scouted harder by recruiting services they would have seen that. He's a tier above the rest of our recruits.Also really like Roemen and Durant. I was told he was injured early or half way through the season or he might have been rated higher.
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 28, 2016 19:57:50 GMT -8
I want to go back to the idea that stars don't matter. That is not completely true. The system, though flawed at least gives us, the so-called novices, a place to begin when reviewing recruiting. Most players are generally categorized about where they should be when they are initially evaluated. The higher star players receive more attention than the others. The others are not seen as much, and in some cases not at all, until late in the process. Some are never classified and occasionally turn out to be real gems. In the case of a team like the Aztecs the search for players, especially on defense, is quite different because of the needs for different skill sets in the 3-3-5 system. They might pass on a few more highly rated players in some cases for so-called lower rated ones that fit the system better. On offense we need a very good FB while most teams don't and as a result we draw walk-ons. Trust me elite corners and safetys and linebackers would thrive here and we do not pass up on them we just can not get them.The rest I agree with.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jan 28, 2016 21:32:06 GMT -8
Some here are over reacting . This is still a very good class with many future stars. We are now getting commits from pac 12 quality people and then a few actually get that offer at the 11th hour and who can blame them for switching. The "dumpster" fire types here don't know what they're talking about. Actually, it's just two guys jerking each other off.
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Post by standiego on Jan 29, 2016 6:52:12 GMT -8
Most of the 4 and 5 star recruits are going to go to P5 schools . Vast majority of the 2 and 3 star guys make up the recruits for most of the G5 schools . So coaches have to look at potential they see in guys , what they are producing now and hope they can develop under our coaching . Skills , motor , desire ,
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