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Post by laaztec on Jan 25, 2016 20:32:34 GMT -8
......or when players get offers to play in better conferences that play in real bowl games and have a better chance to live their dream of playing in the NFL. Let's be honest vs trolling b.s. SDSU puts tons of players in the nfl.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jan 25, 2016 20:37:13 GMT -8
Truth is that a majority of kids want to get out of town to go to college. We can't build a class around SD kids. We need to recruit Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Hawaii and 2 hour drive from SD then maybe get 1 kid from SD each year.
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 25, 2016 20:38:54 GMT -8
......or when players get offers to play in better conferences that play in real bowl games and have a better chance to live their dream of playing in the NFL. Let's be honest vs trolling b.s. SDSU puts tons of players in the nfl. These guys will be washing the jock straps for the 5 star players Lol at bigger schools.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Jan 25, 2016 20:58:17 GMT -8
He just did. SDSU is getting their as kicked. I guess a championship doesn't equal a good recruiting class. Don't need him as much as a good DT or WR.We are strong as heck at the QB position. Agreed.
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Post by laaztec on Jan 25, 2016 22:19:12 GMT -8
Truth is that a majority of kids want to get out of town to go to college. We can't build a class around SD kids. We need to recruit Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Hawaii and 2 hour drive from SD then maybe get 1 kid from SD each year. Agree with this. You might get the occasional SD kid but the odds are better outside SD.
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Post by fisherville on Jan 25, 2016 22:44:11 GMT -8
Truth is that a majority of kids want to get out of town to go to college. We can't build a class around SD kids. We need to recruit Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Hawaii and 2 hour drive from SD then maybe get 1 kid from SD each year. That has little to do with it, these kids want to play under the brightest lights, with the toughest competition. SdSU can't provide either, and we don't have much playing time to give either.
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Post by udiscowithme on Jan 26, 2016 2:39:50 GMT -8
These are a bunch of two star dead bodies for the most part don't get too crazy they will never get playing time at a major school. A bunch of two star dead bodies just won 10 games in a row, ran the table in the conference, and is currently ranked higher than Auburn, Penn State, UCLA, Texas A&M, Miami, USC, ASU, and Oregon (all of whom have top 25 recruiting classes).
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jan 26, 2016 8:02:02 GMT -8
Some here are over reacting . This is still a very good class with many future stars. We are now getting commits from pac 12 quality people and then a few actually get that offer at the 11th hour and who can blame them for switching. The "dumpster" fire types here don't know what they're talking about.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jan 26, 2016 8:29:40 GMT -8
So are there any guys that we still have a chance at? I noticed 247 Sports has us as warm for two players. OT Yasir Durant and OLB Troy Cassidy. Cassidy seems like a guy who could add depth and maybe surprise. He's been coached the last few years by Brandon Chillar who played at UCLA and the NFL.
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 26, 2016 12:50:10 GMT -8
Truth is that a majority of kids want to get out of town to go to college. We can't build a class around SD kids. We need to recruit Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Hawaii and 2 hour drive from SD then maybe get 1 kid from SD each year. That has little to do with it, these kids want to play under the brightest lights, with the toughest competition. SdSU can't provide either, and we don't have much playing time to give either. I definitely agree with the "brightest lights", but Rocky will tell you otherwise about "getting out of town" as well. The better players definitely seek the limelight, but those on the bubble will also prefer to get away from home as well. Coaches hear it all the time. We typically get the 2nd tier players locally.
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 26, 2016 12:59:49 GMT -8
I take the decommits as a pretty good sign actually. We're in the "at risk" category because we're one of the better G5 teams nationally, and definitely regionally, and therefore our "targets" tends to be those who are borderline P5 recruits. Therefore, we're playing with fire. If a P5 offers, and a kid actually sees an opportunity for PT, its extremely likely he'll jump. Not surprising, given the disparity.
I would also imagine we have an extremely broad list of kids we look at, and have MANY "plan B's" in place. More than most. At the end of the day, as we've seen over the past 5+ years, we'll end up having 1 of the top 10-12 G5 classes nationally, and 1 of the top 2-3 regionally. BSU has decommits regularly as well. They lost QB Wilson, among others.
Part of the ugly game. I'd rather see these decommits in January than February!
Still hoping we see a few P5 recruits who are no longer feeling the love from their original school, and/or have been recruited over.
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Post by cvtower on Jan 26, 2016 13:54:24 GMT -8
To me, the issue is that nowadays we pretty much come to expect SDSU to be able to keep locals on board when the school attempting the poaching is a bottom of the barrel Pac-12 team (yes Wazzu was 9-4 this season and beat Miami in the Sun Bowl, but they typically are the last place team). Having winning seasons since 2010 and finishing 11-3 this season was supposed to be attractive enough to our local prep stars. No more should there there be the pipe dream efforts of yesteryear of landing a Tyler Gaffney (Cathedral Catholic), or a Brennan Clay (Scripps Ranch). No more close calls of getting Ricky Seale (although tough to beat out Stanford) or Christian Heyward (to USC, even if he eventually transferred to SDSU). Nowadays, we feel that SDSU has, at the very least, a decent chance to land a local star. Hopefully beating Cal next season (and Stanford and Arizona State in the near future) will further make going to SDSU more attractive to local stars than going to middle of the pack and lower end Pac-12 schools
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Post by standiego on Jan 26, 2016 14:00:46 GMT -8
May not want to hear it but P5 , even the mid to lower level , can still trump the G5 schools . Stipends , HC , TV games , facilities , fans , bowl games ............
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Post by tuff on Jan 26, 2016 14:11:28 GMT -8
These are a bunch of two star dead bodies for the most part don't get too crazy they will never get playing time at a major school. A bunch of two star dead bodies just won 10 games in a row, ran the table in the conference, and is currently ranked higher than Auburn, Penn State, UCLA, Texas A&M, Miami, USC, ASU, and Oregon (all of whom have top 25 recruiting classes). Winning ten in a row to the bottom feeders of the ncaa is no accomplishment, except for maybe Cincinnatti. . We have a s#!++y conference. Those teams you mentioned above would all beat us, and one actually did. But that's just my opinion. If I were a player from San Diego, I wouldn't play here. I would want to go as far away from home for the new experiences. You could always move back after graduation. If I were Rocky, I wouldn't recruit San Diego unless he has a real shot at a star player.
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Post by looch on Jan 26, 2016 14:52:15 GMT -8
Some of you haven't been reading or listening to all the chatter that has gone on in the past. Often heard is a question why we don't recruit locally.The coaches have taken heat for that year after year and now that they do the kids back out because the lights are brighter elsewhere. Coach Long and his Staff are known for being straight forward and honest and heads are easily turned when there is more glamour involved. The purge this year is worse than it has been for a number of years so we can all rationalize that the Aztecs are getting closer to a presumed level of talent. I say malarky, whether you are 17,18 or 21 you make a decision you stand by it with very few exceptions and a lower level P5 isn't one of them.
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Post by Montezumas Revenge 88 on Jan 26, 2016 14:54:33 GMT -8
To me, the issue is that nowadays we pretty much come to expect SDSU to be able to keep locals on board when the school attempting the poaching is a bottom of the barrel Pac-12 team (yes Wazzu was 9-4 this season and beat Miami in the Sun Bowl, but they typically are the last place team). Having winning seasons since 2010 and finishing 11-3 this season was supposed to be attractive enough to our local prep stars. No more should there there be the pipe dream efforts of yesteryear of landing a Tyler Gaffney (Cathedral Catholic), or a Brennan Clay (Scripps Ranch). No more close calls of getting Ricky Seale (although tough to beat out Stanford) or Christian Heyward (to USC, even if he eventually transferred to SDSU). Nowadays, we feel that SDSU has, at the very least, a decent chance to land a local star. Hopefully beating Cal next season (and Stanford and Arizona State in the near future) will further make going to SDSU more attractive to local stars than going to middle of the pack and lower end Pac-12 schools We're not going to beat Stanford any time in the near future, they are hands down the best team in PAC and will likely be contending for a national championship the next few years. Cal and ASU however are somewhat likely winnable games.
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Post by Cwag on Jan 26, 2016 15:48:25 GMT -8
These are a bunch of two star dead bodies for the most part don't get too crazy they will never get playing time at a major school. Thanks Mr. Recruiting Guru. I'll bet you have no idea how good any of these recruits will actually be. You only have stars in your eyes.
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Post by AZK619 on Jan 26, 2016 16:15:52 GMT -8
It is normal, what really sucks is we are a holding spot till a P5 school offers. We build our team on the backs of 2/3 star kids that really want it. Our 2015 team is prof that we can do it with hard work. We want kids that want to be at SDSU! True, but it would be nice to land some of these highly touted recruits. I guess it will take another statement season to start really turning the tide on those type of recruits.
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Post by Azthetic on Jan 26, 2016 16:33:32 GMT -8
When we lose games early in the season, then it is the equivalent to unfounded and fabricated program violations to recruiting.
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 26, 2016 18:34:49 GMT -8
To me, the issue is that nowadays we pretty much come to expect SDSU to be able to keep locals on board when the school attempting the poaching is a bottom of the barrel Pac-12 team (yes Wazzu was 9-4 this season and beat Miami in the Sun Bowl, but they typically are the last place team). Having winning seasons since 2010 and finishing 11-3 this season was supposed to be attractive enough to our local prep stars. No more should there there be the pipe dream efforts of yesteryear of landing a Tyler Gaffney (Cathedral Catholic), or a Brennan Clay (Scripps Ranch). No more close calls of getting Ricky Seale (although tough to beat out Stanford) or Christian Heyward (to USC, even if he eventually transferred to SDSU). Nowadays, we feel that SDSU has, at the very least, a decent chance to land a local star. Hopefully beating Cal next season (and Stanford and Arizona State in the near future) will further make going to SDSU more attractive to local stars than going to middle of the pack and lower end Pac-12 schools Wazzu spent $200MM on football facilities in the past 4 years, have 10x the amount of support staff for football (trainers weight staff, tutors, etc.), significantly more amenities and play in an elite conference. Arguably the best in the country. They're coming off their best year since 2003.
SDSU may NEVER spend $200MM on football facilities, and can't offer half of what a P5 can offer.
The days of the G5's like a BSU or SDSU trumping a WSU or OSU in football recruiting are long gone. Not with the $20MM TV contracts. It's why BSU is starting to fade - they used to be 60/40 when going head to head with WSU. Now it's more 20/80.
I don't blame a kid for seeking the spotlight & being wowed by amazing facilities & amenities. Would be great if they stayed loyal to SDSU, especially if they're local, but it's not what the majority of 17-18 year olds will do these days.
They may have second thoughts after playing their first game in 40 degree pouring rain though.
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