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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 26, 2016 19:02:46 GMT -8
These are a bunch of two star dead bodies for the most part don't get too crazy they will never get playing time at a major school. A bunch of two star dead bodies just won 10 games in a row, ran the table in the conference, and is currently ranked higher than Auburn, Penn State, UCLA, Texas A&M, Miami, USC, ASU, and Oregon (all of whom have top 25 recruiting classes). Most are three star like 90%
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 26, 2016 19:24:42 GMT -8
A bunch of two star dead bodies just won 10 games in a row, ran the table in the conference, and is currently ranked higher than Auburn, Penn State, UCLA, Texas A&M, Miami, USC, ASU, and Oregon (all of whom have top 25 recruiting classes). Most are three star like 90% Just sorting through the roster - Malik Smith - 2 star, Jemond Hazely 2 star, Lloyd Mills 2 star, Pierre Romain 2 star, Trey Lomax 2 star, Nick Bawden 2 star....So 90% is not even close. Key contributors like Chase Price, Calvin Munson and the MWC Defensive POTY, Damontae Kazee....you guessed it, 2 stars.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jan 26, 2016 20:20:56 GMT -8
It is always amusing this time of year to see that we still have the abysmally naive in this forum who don't comprehend the fallacy of the "stars" bestowed by people who have never coached and know very little the art of recruiting. Thanks to the several here who have pointed out all the all conference "two star " players we have. Let's keep enlightening others as to the truth.
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 26, 2016 20:24:41 GMT -8
Most are three star like 90% Just sorting through the roster - Malik Smith - 2 star, Jemond Hazely 2 star, Lloyd Mills 2 star, Pierre Romain 2 star, Trey Lomax 2 star, Nick Bawden 2 star....So 90% is not even close. Key contributors like Chase Price, Calvin Munson and the MWC Defensive POTY, Damontae Kazee....you guessed it, 2 stars. That start here I forgot to put.On rivals Kazee three star,Munson and Smith are the only ones you mentioned that actually start.I did my homework its between 85 to 90% that are three star here.Hazely,Bawden,Romain,Mills are not good.You guys or gals should know better than argue with me about recruiting by now.I usually hear crickets after I get my info across.I have followed recruiting daily since recruiting services were invented.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 26, 2016 20:37:53 GMT -8
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jan 26, 2016 20:48:32 GMT -8
Just sorting through the roster - Malik Smith - 2 star, Jemond Hazely 2 star, Lloyd Mills 2 star, Pierre Romain 2 star, Trey Lomax 2 star, Nick Bawden 2 star....So 90% is not even close. Key contributors like Chase Price, Calvin Munson and the MWC Defensive POTY, Damontae Kazee....you guessed it, 2 stars. That start here I forgot to put.On rivals Kazee three star,Munson and Smith are the only ones you mentioned that actually start.I did my homework its between 85 to 90% that are three star here.Hazely,Bawden,Romain,Mills are not good.You guys or gals should know better than argue with me about recruiting by now.I usually hear crickets after I get my info across.I have followed recruiting daily since recruiting services were invented. Let us help you out here. You don't demonstrate a knowledge level when you imply that two star (according to the people who guess at that) are "dead bodies " who can't play and that 3 stars are magically real players. That is patently nonsense. SDSU success is built upon coaching up players who didn't quite get a p5 offer. Don't you get that?
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 26, 2016 20:55:02 GMT -8
That start here I forgot to put.On rivals Kazee three star,Munson and Smith are the only ones you mentioned that actually start.I did my homework its between 85 to 90% that are three star here.Hazely,Bawden,Romain,Mills are not good.You guys or gals should know better than argue with me about recruiting by now.I usually hear crickets after I get my info across.I have followed recruiting daily since recruiting services were invented. Let us help you out here. You don't demonstrate a knowledge level when you imply that two star (according to the people who guess at that) are "dead bodies " who can't play and that 3 stars are magically real players. That is patently nonsense. SDSU success is built upon coaching up players who didn't quite get a p5 offer. Don't you get that? Ok...dont you get its not magic that the higher rated you are the better you are.Sure there are instances where a Munson turns out better than projected where the got coached up or improved on their own.With a low rated two star it is better to greyshirt them to give the player more time and practice.After all we want them to play one day.Sometimes JC can help.
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 26, 2016 20:59:21 GMT -8
5.4 is .1 off from a three star ladies and gentlemen.Again these people you mention also are backups.Craighead only played because Greene's suspention.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 26, 2016 21:01:34 GMT -8
But.....it's still a 2 star, dead body. 5.3 is only .2 away!
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 26, 2016 21:04:56 GMT -8
But.....it's still a 2 star, dead body. 5.3 is only .2 away! Most of them will be backups its how things work.85 to 90% of our starters are three star.At USC 85-90% are 4 or 5 star.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 26, 2016 21:19:58 GMT -8
You're flat out wrong. All 5 of those guys I just listed were starters this year for some time (Craighead prior to the Greene suspension, obviously). If you want another one, Kameron Kelly fits the bill. Billy Vaughn, Jr as well.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jan 26, 2016 21:23:28 GMT -8
Let us help you out here. You don't demonstrate a knowledge level when you imply that two star (according to the people who guess at that) are "dead bodies " who can't play and that 3 stars are magically real players. That is patently nonsense. SDSU success is built upon coaching up players who didn't quite get a p5 offer. Don't you get that? Ok...dont you get its not magic that the higher rated you are the better you are.Sure there are instances where a Munson turns out better than projected where the got coached up or improved on their own.With a low rated two star it is better to greyshirt them to give the player more time and practice.After all we want them to play one day.Sometimes JC can help. Clearly you have bought into the BS of this rating service business run by people who know nothing about who can play and who can't. In fact no one knows initially. Do you not get that if a pac 12 school is interested than automatically the kid is dubed a 3 , 4, or 5? G5 school recruits are automatic 2 with a few 3s. It is all gamed and has nothing to do with real talent . Hope you don't spend money on this recruiting knowledge tripe. Please don't say you think Calvin Munson "improved on his own." Missouri , Kansas state , Iowa etc just missed him. It happens regularly. The Aztecs stellar staff realized he was special but the recruiting services you think are the cats meow missed "two star" Munson too. But you probably never heard Rocky''s contempt for these phonies either.
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Post by originalshow00 on Jan 26, 2016 21:29:59 GMT -8
Ok...dont you get its not magic that the higher rated you are the better you are.Sure there are instances where a Munson turns out better than projected where the got coached up or improved on their own.With a low rated two star it is better to greyshirt them to give the player more time and practice.After all we want them to play one day.Sometimes JC can help. Clearly you have bought into the BS of this rating service business run by people who know nothing about who can play and who can't. In fact no one knows initially. Do you not get that if a pac 12 school is interested than automatically the kid is dubed a 3 , 4, or 5? G5 school recruits are automatic 2 with a few 3s. It is all gamed and has nothing to do with real talent . Hope you don't spend money on this recruiting knowledge tripe NOT LOL.I WOULD TAKE 4 AND 5 STAR OVER 2 STAR ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 26, 2016 21:32:19 GMT -8
Dillon Baxter says HELLO!
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jan 26, 2016 21:35:52 GMT -8
Clearly you have bought into the BS of this rating service business run by people who know nothing about who can play and who can't. In fact no one knows initially. Do you not get that if a pac 12 school is interested than automatically the kid is dubed a 3 , 4, or 5? G5 school recruits are automatic 2 with a few 3s. It is all gamed and has nothing to do with real talent . Hope you don't spend money on this recruiting knowledge tripe NOT LOL.I WOULD TAKE 4 AND 5 STAR OVER 2 STAR ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Don't be a stooge for this phony industry. It's a bad used car.
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Post by standiego on Jan 27, 2016 7:04:55 GMT -8
First can we get off the local hero recruits are going to be the back bone of SDSU football, .Recruits will jump at a P5 school if given the scholarship , even if it comes late in recruiting game .It is where you are going and at what level more then where you are from .
Realize most G5 teams are built around the 2 or 3 star recruits . Then it becomes what coaching staffs can coach them up .
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Post by pdraztec on Jan 27, 2016 8:40:17 GMT -8
Cal Munson was not a surprise......he was the Defensive POY for the state of Missouri his senior year and has been a stud from the moment he arrived here. Anyone swearing blind allegiance to the star system needs to wake up.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 27, 2016 9:07:40 GMT -8
NOT LOL.I WOULD TAKE 4 AND 5 STAR OVER 2 STAR ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Don't be a stooge for this phony industry. It's a bad used car. You're saying that the "stars" are unimportant? By extension, are you then saying that we should NOT try to land as many 5-Stars, or 4-stars, as possible? We need to be content with rostering up with 2's? (sorry, I verbed up that noun)
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jan 27, 2016 9:26:06 GMT -8
Since you are actually inquiring not trashing someone I am happy to respond. My point is what most any college football coach says , including ours. This "stars" industry is bogus. Accept that. What fans like us are left with is wondering who is better than who and more importantly who will be better than who in two years or so. Rocky told my group last year that he could sit down at a screen and teach anyone with an interest to see the differences in ABILITY in a potential recruit. I believe that as I have watched a lot of high school football here over decades. I'm not a sevant but I can tell who is special. So, to your point, none of us who care should trust the Stars people who watch NO video in doing what they do. Sure it's interesting but it not based on anything credible. The coaches know who the more gifted players are and don't use these bogus "stars" to rank them. As a sidebar this is first year I've noticed that Aztec commits are being actively poached by p5 schools at the 11th hour. In one way that is frustrating but in another it means the superb staff we have is very good at spotting talent that others did not initially. And that is why we are now a top 30 program- spotting talent, signing them, and then fitting them into our system where their abilities will shine. Example- Jake Fely and Calvin Munson went unnoticed by P5 schools. In our defense the LBs have to beat the running backs to the sidelines . Ours now do all time. They were two star people. Contrast that to six or seven years ago. I rest my case
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 27, 2016 10:02:14 GMT -8
Don't be a stooge for this phony industry. It's a bad used car. You're saying that the "stars" are unimportant? By extension, are you then saying that we should NOT try to land as many 5-Stars, or 4-stars, as possible? We need to be content with rostering up with 2's? (sorry, I verbed up that noun) Someone getting a 5-star rating is important; usually a can't miss status. But we're not in the market for 5-stars - that's not who we attract. Same with 4-stars, unless they start receiving less attention from the P5's or have grade issues. We might steal 1 or 2, and that's always good.
There is LITTLE to no difference between 2 & 3 star talent, ESPECIALLY when looking at Rivals who, IMO, is by far the worst evaluator of talent on the West coast.
One thing "stars" doesn't take into account is that many have matured early and may have actually peaked at 19, whereas many 2-stars are later bloomers who may peak at 20-22. The most important ability of a recruiter is to be able to tell the difference - who has the most upside, long term, within your system. Most recruits will RS on this squad, especially HS guys, so what we want are good fits who are still developing, not guys who had mustaches at 12 & dominated in junior high/HS with little room for growth.
If you can get 4-stars who fit our profile, great. 3-stars, great. 2-stars, great. But thinking anyone KNOWS that a 3-star is going to better than a 2-star is simply guessing.
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