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Post by 01aztecgrad on Oct 7, 2015 10:16:37 GMT -8
Anyone who wants to hire Hauck instead of one the great candidates that show up regularly when we have a coaching vacancy needs to get their head checked. Yep. Wanting to get rid of Long I can understand, but wanting to replace him with someone who coached in the same conference, at the same time, and won two games a year is unbelievable.
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Post by Montezumas Revenge 88 on Oct 7, 2015 11:50:47 GMT -8
C'mon, man. I like margaritas too but I don't down them this early in the day. Hawaii has played a vastly tougher schedule than we have. They have also been shut-out three games, apparently their D can't handle the Margaritas!
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 7, 2015 14:30:37 GMT -8
How well a staff does recruiting at a bad location does not equate to how a coach does recruiting individually to a successful program. He didn't coach QBs at UNLV. He was the head coach, which made him responsible for everything, and yes being a bottom of barrel recruiter at UNLV and worse than prior UNLV HC's is relevant. He is a awful recruiter. A recruiter is significantly dependent on the tools (e.g. Facilities, budget, etc.) available at that school, relative to their competition. UNLV was a dumpster fire. Sanford feasted on NC wins but only win 18% of his conference games. Hauck won nearly twice that (30%), and people forget he's the only coach to take them to a bowl game in the last 15 years. He was also terrific at Montana, which is a more competitive program. Recruited very well, enough to get them to 3 title games. He was also known as a good recruiter at Colorado and UW prior to that under neiheisel. UNLV hasn't done any better under Sanchez than Hauck, and they are currently doing worse than SDSU.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 7, 2015 15:05:11 GMT -8
If we lose at Hawaii we could still finish 7-1 in conference. BTW, why speculate on conversations that haven't happened or may never happen? I was merely voicing a worst-case scenario should the whole season more or less go down the drain. Keep in mind that SDSU has several times in the last three decades made poor or downright bad decisions regarding hiring. Given that history, I am not overly confident regarding the administration's ability to recognize the need for new on-the-field leadership. If we had won a couple of MWC championships in the past four years, along with Top-25 ranking and perhaps two or three wins over P5 schools (well, we did beat Wazzu), I would probably write off a disappointing 2015 as a one time fluke. The reality is that we have not won championships, we have not earned Top-25 ranking, and we have not won more bowl games than we have lost. In my opinion, we need to move on. As for losing to Hawaii and then running the table for a 7-1 conference record, I have to admire your optimism. Sure, it's mathematically possible. Likely? I don't think so. Beating Hawaii might well set the table for a 6-2 conference finish. Maybe even better than that. On the other hand, I think a loss in the Islands would be very hard to overcome. I see at least two, maybe three, other games on the schedule that will be real challenges. AzWm If you can speculate on worst case why not best case? Why only focus on the negative? I think the next 2 weeks are the the 2 toughest remaining games. Hawaii, because that's simply a tough trip, and SJSU because they're proving to be relatively good and the second half of back to back road trips is always brutal. Especially following a long trip. I think even if we lose the next 2 we could still go 6-2 in conference, and definitely disagree that a loss to Hawaii dictates the rest of the season. One key thing that happens after Hawaii is we add depth and a starter. Greene brings a lot to the table - best OL on the team, and we get some LB and DB depth. Given recent reports, would expect Pumphrey to be back as well. Not sure on Lomax, but supposed to return in mid October as well, so if not SJSU then hopefully after that. Although unfortunate, few teams gain depth mid season and we get a bye before the last 3 games. Nothing is going to be easy, but never expected it to be. Thought we'd be 3-2, as did most, so we are 1 game off and most also know going to Hawaii isn't easy. If we pressure Wittek, run the ball and avoid dumb TOs I like our chances. But I also like the way the rest of the season sets up as well. Win or lose Saturday there's a lot of games remaining.
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 7, 2015 15:36:02 GMT -8
Hauck is a awful recruiter much worse than prior unlv coach samford . It's a reason why he failed at unlv. And he did awful job with qb's Have to disagree here. Hauck is a heck of a football coach and recruiter. Look at what he did at Montana. AT UNLV with no budget and no support he had little chance. If Robinson could not win at UNLV then who can without money and support? I am not asking that Hauck replace Rocky, just standing up for a stand up guy who is a fine coach.
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 7, 2015 15:42:09 GMT -8
Anyone who wants to hire Hauck instead of one the great candidates that show up regularly when we have a coaching vacancy needs to get their head checked. Oh? Really? Hauck is a fine coach with a record of success when given adequate resources. Lets talk about things like this when Rocky steps down.
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Post by fisherville on Oct 7, 2015 16:01:16 GMT -8
Hauck is a awful recruiter much worse than prior unlv coach samford . It's a reason why he failed at unlv. And he did awful job with qb's Have to disagree here. Hauck is a heck of a football coach and recruiter. Look at what he did at Montana. AT UNLV with no budget and no support he had little chance. If Robinson could not win at UNLV then who can without money and support? I am not asking that Hauck replace Rocky, just standing up for a stand up guy who is a fine coach. First of all Hauck is no stand up guy, look at some of the "characters" he took as transfers at Montana, second almost anyone can win at Montana that is not saying much of anything. If he were truly a good coach, he wouldn't have won 2 games at UNLV 4 of the 5 years, I don't care how awful of program and how little support he had, that is what bad FBS coaches do and that is what he did.
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Post by aztech on Oct 7, 2015 16:08:34 GMT -8
He was the head coach, which made him responsible for everything, and yes being a bottom of barrel recruiter at UNLV and worse than prior UNLV HC's is relevant. He is a awful recruiter. A recruiter is significantly dependent on the tools (e.g. Facilities, budget, etc.) available at that school, relative to their competition. UNLV was a dumpster fire. Sanford feasted on NC wins but only win 18% of his conference games. Hauck won nearly twice that (30%), and people forget he's the only coach to take them to a bowl game in the last 15 years. He was also terrific at Montana, which is a more competitive program. Recruited very well, enough to get them to 3 title games. He was also known as a good recruiter at Colorado and UW prior to that under neiheisel. UNLV hasn't done any better under Sanchez than Hauck, and they are currently doing worse than SDSU. Do you know why he won those titles at Montana? There was a big story in SI years ago about Hauck and how he did it. Those Montana fans were not used to having to lock their doors at night. They were not happy about the inner city kids Hauck brought up from LA. He was the only coach in the Big Sky to do that.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 7, 2015 16:29:06 GMT -8
A recruiter is significantly dependent on the tools (e.g. Facilities, budget, etc.) available at that school, relative to their competition. UNLV was a dumpster fire. Sanford feasted on NC wins but only win 18% of his conference games. Hauck won nearly twice that (30%), and people forget he's the only coach to take them to a bowl game in the last 15 years. He was also terrific at Montana, which is a more competitive program. Recruited very well, enough to get them to 3 title games. He was also known as a good recruiter at Colorado and UW prior to that under neiheisel. UNLV hasn't done any better under Sanchez than Hauck, and they are currently doing worse than SDSU. Do you know why he won those titles at Montana? There was a big story in SI years ago about Hauck and how he did it. Those Montana fans were not used to having to lock their doors at night. They were not happy about the inner city kids Hauck brought up from LA. He was the only coach in the Big Sky to do that. That was so overblown. Every program has a couple bad apples, no matter how much you vet them. You read about them daily in college football, even at the best schools. Hauck is known as a disciplinarian, and most of the kids he recruited were from Montana and nearby states. I love over how the press gets all pissy because a coach won't comment on rumors, which is exactly what the Missoula paper did. he won because he's was a very good coach and recruited very good players.
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Post by SD Johnny on Oct 7, 2015 16:41:43 GMT -8
Anyone who wants to hire Hauck instead of one the great candidates that show up regularly when we have a coaching vacancy needs to get their head checked. Oh? Really? Hauck is a fine coach with a record of success when given adequate resources. Lets talk about things like this when Rocky steps down. In 2005 we passed on Jimbo Fisher to hire Chuck Long. In 2009 we hired Brady Hoke who in just 2 years had us finish the season a couple places outside the top 25. In 2011 we hired Rock for continuity which I didn't disagree with but the program is regressing. Keeping an FCS juggernaut going with players that made more headlines off the field than on it doesn't translate to being a good FBS coach as is evidenced by this HORRENDOUS record at UNLV. 2010 UNLV 2–11 2–6 7th 2011 UNLV 2–10 1–6 T–6th 2012 UNLV 2–11 2–6 8th 2013 UNLV 7–6 5–3 T–3rd (West) L Heart of Dallas 2014 UNLV 2–11 1–8 6th (West) I won't waste another second discussing Hauck as there is no effing way he's getting hired as head coach here. I suggest you do the same.
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Post by aztech on Oct 7, 2015 16:52:38 GMT -8
Do you know why he won those titles at Montana? There was a big story in SI years ago about Hauck and how he did it. Those Montana fans were not used to having to lock their doors at night. They were not happy about the inner city kids Hauck brought up from LA. He was the only coach in the Big Sky to do that. That was so overblown. Every program has a couple bad apples, no matter how much you vet them. You read about them daily in college football, even at the best schools. Hauck is known as a disciplinarian, and most of the kids he recruited were from Montana and nearby states. I love over how the press gets all pissy because a coach won't comment on rumors, which is exactly what the Missoula paper did. he won because he's was a very good coach and recruited very good players. What happens elsewhere is a different world. That SI article was referring to U of Montana and the Big Sky world only. Am I to believe you it was subjective and overblown or a national publication with no tooth to grind on that subject?
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Post by Montezumas Revenge 88 on Oct 7, 2015 17:32:42 GMT -8
Please stop going on and on about Hauck, this thread was supposed to be about the future game this coming weekend between our Aztecs and the Rainbow Warriors! lol
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 7, 2015 17:49:11 GMT -8
That was so overblown. Every program has a couple bad apples, no matter how much you vet them. You read about them daily in college football, even at the best schools. Hauck is known as a disciplinarian, and most of the kids he recruited were from Montana and nearby states. I love over how the press gets all pissy because a coach won't comment on rumors, which is exactly what the Missoula paper did. he won because he's was a very good coach and recruited very good players. What happens elsewhere is a different world. That SI article was referring to U of Montana and the Big Sky world only. Am I to believe you it was subjective and overblown or a national publication with no tooth to grind on that subject?
Link to article? The only one I've seen is about his fued with the student newspaper, which related to comments and rumors about his players. I did see a SI article about montana state and a cocaine ring. Bottom line, most of his recruits where from montana area and every program has a few kids get into trouble and most of the time it's beyond their control. If you want to continue this conversation message me because I'm sure most could care less about what happened at montana nearly a decade ago.
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Post by aztech on Oct 7, 2015 18:27:00 GMT -8
What happens elsewhere is a different world. That SI article was referring to U of Montana and the Big Sky world only. Am I to believe you it was subjective and overblown or a national publication with no tooth to grind on that subject?
Link to article? The only one I've seen is about his fued with the student newspaper, which related to comments and rumors about his players. I did see a SI article about montana state and a cocaine ring. Bottom line, most of his recruits where from montana area and every program has a few kids get into trouble and most of the time it's beyond their control. If you want to continue this conversation message me because I'm sure most could care less about what happened at montana nearly a decade ago. I don't know how to seek the SI archives to get it, nor do I wish to try. Trust me, it was several pages long so it must have been a featured story written between 2003-2009. Most likely around 2008 since he signed with UNLV for the 2009 season.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 7, 2015 20:53:29 GMT -8
Link to article? The only one I've seen is about his fued with the student newspaper, which related to comments and rumors about his players. I did see a SI article about montana state and a cocaine ring. Bottom line, most of his recruits where from montana area and every program has a few kids get into trouble and most of the time it's beyond their control. If you want to continue this conversation message me because I'm sure most could care less about what happened at montana nearly a decade ago. I don't know how to seek the SI archives to get it, nor do I wish to try. Trust me, it was several pages long so it must have been a featured story written between 2003-2009. Most likely around 2008 since he signed with UNLV for the 2009 season. There's Google or the search engine -the vault - on Si.com for starters. Search Hauck and you get the story about the feud. Search Montana STATE and you get an article called Trouble in Paradise about major issues and a cocaine ring in Bozeman and sounds exactly like the article you're referring to. The local papers at UM had a few articles about the UM football team and a few kids who got in trouble, but nothing beyond what happens at many programs. The real story was the feud and Hauck refusing to talk to the student paper. Not quite the major story that Montana st. was.
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Post by Montezumas Revenge 88 on Oct 7, 2015 22:13:38 GMT -8
Alright since this thread has been de-railed, lets get this thing back on track. Where are Hawaii's strengths/weaknesses, offense/defense/special team etc... and how do they compare to the Aztecs?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 8, 2015 7:39:32 GMT -8
Alright since this thread has been de-railed, lets get this thing back on track. Where are Hawaii's strengths/weaknesses, offense/defense/special team etc... and how do they compare to the Aztecs? Among Hawaii's strengths/weaknesses is which Aztec is correct about Bobby Hauck's coaching ability. If Hauck is as great a coach as some say, that's definitely a weakness for Hawaii's special teams. My personal view is Hauck has been doing a very good job for SDSU. As a special teams coach. My personal view is also that he was basically a placeholder at Montana, which is an FCS football factory, and did a mediocre job at UNLV and that if SDSU was to replace Rocky Long with Bobby Hauck, it would scream continued hiring on the cheap.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 8, 2015 8:25:49 GMT -8
Alright since this thread has been de-railed, lets get this thing back on track. Where are Hawaii's strengths/weaknesses, offense/defense/special team etc... and how do they compare to the Aztecs? Among Hawaii's strengths/weaknesses is which Aztec is correct about Bobby Hauck's coaching ability. If Hauck is as great a coach as some say, that's definitely a weakness for Hawaii's special teams. My personal view is Hauck has been doing a very good job for SDSU. As a special teams coach. My personal view is also that he was basically a placeholder at Montana, which is an FCS football factory, and did a mediocre job at UNLV and that if SDSU was to replace Rocky Long with Bobby Hauck, it would scream continued hiring on the cheap. With me, very slowly: Jiiimm Steerrk. COME ON DOWN!
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Oct 8, 2015 9:07:58 GMT -8
Boise just beat this team 55-0.No way we lose to them. I'm not making excuses for Hawaii but traveling two weekends in a row plus time change can be taxing. They flew to Wisconsin the weekend before they went to Boise St. After going on the road three out of the last four weekends, they ought to be weary. Moreover, we might have the psychological advantage because Hawaii has been shut out three times, whereas we dominated and nearly shut out the Fresnecks.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 8, 2015 9:09:28 GMT -8
How well a staff does recruiting at a bad location does not equate to how a coach does recruiting individually to a successful program. He didn't coach QBs at UNLV. He was the head coach, which made him responsible for everything, and yes being a bottom of barrel recruiter at UNLV and worse than prior UNLV HC's is relevant. He is a awful recruiter. Details please.
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